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Re: Unpopular Opinion (Arsenal Edition)

Postby theHotHead » Thu Jul 25, 2024 8:31 am

ag6789 wrote:In the old 1st Division, it used to be 2pts/ W, 1pt/ D, 0/ L. A max of 84 pts in a 42 game season. Anything close to 70-75 pts would be phenomenal! Not to speak of 80!

Quite, it was changed in 1981, so teams had to shake off the shackles of playing negative football. Fancy using points won as a measure of dominance when comparing 2 entirely different eras of football.

the tackle from behind had not been outlawed and neither had the back pass to the keeper, not to mention the offside rule changes then to now. Football then and now is unrecognisable
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Re: Unpopular Opinion (Arsenal Edition)

Postby Gordon Bennit » Thu Jul 25, 2024 9:55 pm

firfi wrote:First of all Chapman has 3 titles.


We won our first title in 1930-31, the next in 1932-33. Although we won the League in 1933-34, poor Herbert Chapman, after attending a game despite being under the weather, died in January of 1934.

Therefore, he won/presided over 2 titles. Sorry to correct you but you really should check your facts before posting.
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Re: Unpopular Opinion (Arsenal Edition)

Postby ag6789 » Thu Jul 25, 2024 11:17 pm

The 3rd title strangely isn't credited to either Chapman or Joe Shaw who took over as caretaker manager when Chapman died in January of 1934.
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Re: Unpopular Opinion (Arsenal Edition)

Postby alexis2015finalgoal » Wed Jul 31, 2024 7:06 am

Ozil was a commercial signing and was a waste. He had a few good seasons but it seems he was signed for hype and to prove the austerity of the immediate Emirates era was over.
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Re: Unpopular Opinion (Arsenal Edition)

Postby theHotHead » Wed Jul 31, 2024 7:17 am

It was a waste because Wenger did it half-arsed as usual! What he should've done is given Ozil the platform he needed, i.e. a proper f***ing DM next to him.
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Re: Unpopular Opinion (Arsenal Edition)

Postby Arsenal Tone » Wed Jul 31, 2024 7:52 am

theHotHead wrote:It was a waste because Wenger did it half-arsed as usual! What he should've done is given Ozil the platform he needed, i.e. a proper f***ing DM next to him.
Cazorla had just been player of the season playing CAM. We had Wilshere too.

We needed a DM and a striker but Wenger being Wenger signed another CAM.
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Re: Unpopular Opinion (Arsenal Edition)

Postby firfi » Wed Jul 31, 2024 5:58 pm

Arsenal Tone wrote:
theHotHead wrote:It was a waste because Wenger did it half-arsed as usual! What he should've done is given Ozil the platform he needed, i.e. a proper f***ing DM next to him.
Cazorla had just been player of the season playing CAM. We had Wilshere too.

We needed a DM and a striker but Wenger being Wenger signed another CAM.


We needed better defedenrs not DM.We had only 3 that were worth keeping Kos , Mertesacker and Monreal the rest were utter shit.Gibbs was nowhere near PL level and Bellerin was complete shit on every static situation a.k.a corner throw in free kick we we're getting murdered ,because we had Giroud Mertesacker and Koscelny with decent height on them and physically we were weak ,because we used to play those weaklink defenders.
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Re: Unpopular Opinion (Arsenal Edition)

Postby theHotHead » Thu Aug 01, 2024 6:01 am

The defence was fine, not amazing but not bad either. Bellerin didnt play in the league when Ozil arrived, he played in 14/15, so you have your facts wrong, again.

Our defence in 2013/14 when we signed Ozil was:

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Sagna - Merts - Kos - Monreal/Gibbs


Like I said, not amazing but not bad either. Not that I rated him but we lost Song in 2012/13 so Arteta was the defacto DM when Ozil joined and Wenger brought back a washed up Flamini. As much as I hated Song he was a better DM than Arteta! We endured that for a season then Arteta got limited playing time and Coquelin shared DM duties with Flamini.

In 2015/16 Wenger added Elneny so we had 3 shit DMs (4 if you include Arteta) that all got Prem game time that season, sharing the DM role!! In 2016/17 Wenger compounded all of his DM mistakes by bring in Xhaka, so now we have him, Coquelin and Elneny all getting Prem game time as a DM.

This is what I mean when I say Wenger did it half-arsed!! You can't criticise a perfectly adequate defence when you play gung-ho football like Wenger did but you don't have a single decent defensive screen in the midfield to help ! Ozil always had that screen at other clubs, thats why he was able to perform so well.

At Real he had L Diarra, Alonso and Khedira as defensive shields and Khedira for Germany
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Re: Unpopular Opinion (Arsenal Edition)

Postby Highbury Hillbilly » Thu Aug 01, 2024 12:31 pm

alexis2015finalgoal wrote:Ozil was a commercial signing and was a waste. He had a few good seasons but it seems he was signed for hype and to prove the austerity of the immediate Emirates era was over.


Ozil would have run away with the assists record if Wenger didn't plop Giroud, Welbeck and Lucas Perez in front of him for the first 4 years. Fabregas and KDB easily surpassed him in the mid 2010s as a result.

By the time we signed Aubameyang, Ozil's heart wasn't in the game anymore and his performances showed it, minus that one game v Leicester.
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Re: Unpopular Opinion (Arsenal Edition)

Postby swipe right » Thu Aug 01, 2024 1:36 pm

theHotHead wrote:It was a waste because Wenger did it half-arsed as usual! What he should've done is given Ozil the platform he needed, i.e. a proper f***ing DM next to him.

Imagine if he had bought Modric or Kante and paired them with Ozil and Cazorla.
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Re: Unpopular Opinion (Arsenal Edition)

Postby Marsbar100 » Thu Aug 01, 2024 1:39 pm

Should have bought cesc back, him and ozil would have been insane
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Re: Unpopular Opinion (Arsenal Edition)

Postby swipe right » Thu Aug 01, 2024 1:51 pm

Marsbar100 wrote:Should have bought cesc back, him and ozil would have been insane

Hmmm...love both them players but can you play them together? Both go looking for space and arent really helpful off the ball.
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Re: Unpopular Opinion (Arsenal Edition)

Postby Marsbar100 » Thu Aug 01, 2024 1:53 pm

swipe right wrote:
Marsbar100 wrote:Should have bought cesc back, him and ozil would have been insane

Hmmm...love both them players but can you play them together? Both go looking for space and arent really helpful off the ball.

Maybe, still would love to have seen it though
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Re: Unpopular Opinion (Arsenal Edition)

Postby theHotHead » Thu Aug 01, 2024 3:14 pm

swipe right wrote:
Marsbar100 wrote:Should have bought cesc back, him and ozil would have been insane

Hmmm...love both them players but can you play them together? Both go looking for space and arent really helpful off the ball.

The fact you are asking that question tells you what's wrong with current football. Everything is the system, look at Real Madrid, they keep winning everything and keep buying the best players. They use a system that benefits the players they have.

Fabregas and prime Ozil would've been murderous, you have a DLP and an CAM who were absolutely devastating, how do you stop both of them?! You can't!!
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Re: Unpopular Opinion (Arsenal Edition)

Postby firfi » Thu Aug 01, 2024 7:06 pm

theHotHead wrote:
swipe right wrote:
Marsbar100 wrote:Should have bought cesc back, him and ozil would have been insane

Hmmm...love both them players but can you play them together? Both go looking for space and arent really helpful off the ball.

The fact you are asking that question tells you what's wrong with current football. Everything is the system, look at Real Madrid, they keep winning everything and keep buying the best players. They use a system that benefits the players they have.

Fabregas and prime Ozil would've been murderous, you have a DLP and an CAM who were absolutely devastating, how do you stop both of them?! You can't!!


We didn't buy Fabregas ,because Cazorla was doing more or less the same type of job.Issue was clearly defence and short team overall with close to no physical abilities.

Clear for everyone to see we were murdered in the big games ,by getting bullied.Once one goal fell we were done most of the time and in a very short time we could receive 2-3 goals.
Ozil was as much an asset as he was liability in big games vs good players he simply wasn't good enough.He couldn't be bothered to do any defensive work or tackle.He was running the most out of any player on the pitch ,but thats just statistics he was jogging.

Obviously Kante would've made us champions or challenging compared to Xhaka who was more of an slow less good defensively prone to errors etc we all know what Xhaka was.
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