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Re: Eddie Nketiah (14)

Postby VCC » Sun Jun 09, 2024 6:32 pm

We won the cup that season, a season where players could not play the press as Arteta wanted so he played a hybrid style to try and suit what was there, Auba is still a great striker but he has restrictions in he is lazy without the ball, he does not suit Arteta style, he had to go should have been in a better manner with a better payday that was the mistake, and the replacement was never going to be as prolific in goals, Jesus is a winger he is more creative in assists than he ever will with goals.
Being that this is the Eddie thread.....Eddie is just dross
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Re: Eddie Nketiah (14)

Postby alexis2015finalgoal » Sun Jun 09, 2024 6:50 pm

why hasn't he gone yet? not as if he has the Euros or Copa America as a distraction.
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Re: Eddie Nketiah (14)

Postby Goonerfromafrica » Mon Jun 10, 2024 2:15 pm

alexis2015finalgoal wrote:why hasn't he gone yet? not as if he has the Euros or Copa America as a distraction.


Because no one really wants him. Wouldn’t be surprised if we fail to sell him this window
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Re: Eddie Nketiah (14)

Postby Nuggets » Mon Jun 10, 2024 3:38 pm

Goonerfromafrica wrote:
alexis2015finalgoal wrote:why hasn't he gone yet? not as if he has the Euros or Copa America as a distraction.


Because no one really wants him. Wouldn’t be surprised if we fail to sell him this window


We will have to give him away with a free balloon ;)
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Re: Eddie Nketiah (14)

Postby Salibatelli » Mon Jun 10, 2024 4:02 pm

We’ve had the pleasure (or displeasure) of watching him for years, he’s not a good striker at all, he struck gold when we gave him 100k a week and a 5 year contract, it was like all his christmases come at once and all because he scored a handful of goals in the last few games of his existing contract (they weren’t even that good). Even on a free clubs wouldn’t offer him anywhere near that much and he preferred to take the money than to try and get regular time elsewhere (which says a lot about what drives him IMO), for his career the right choice was to move for regular game time to see if he could cut it, instead he chose the other option.

Clubs have seen his limitations, it took us years, some fans insisted he had something to offer and made claims about him being able to score 15 goals etc, he’s never come close and never would with us.

You can see the pattern, he always has a short spell where he gets 2-3 goals then it dries up for months, the cycle gets repeated time and time again and he’s one of the worst subs around, never ever scoring and rarely making an impact.

In many ways people see players like him and Jesus and suddenly expect them to change the habit of a lifetime, that almost never happens, there’s the odd anomaly here and there but it’s incredibly rare.

You’d have to be crazy to pay more than £10-15 million for Nketiah, he’s never proved he can score goals and will probably end up a bench player.

If I was a manager of a lesser PL club I’d stay away and look at someone else who could turn out good, not a guy with 7 seasons at Arsenap who barely scored even in a time when we create lots of chances (same argument I made about Jesus and Man City).
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Re: Eddie Nketiah (14)

Postby firfi » Tue Jun 11, 2024 11:07 am

It's just Arteta not giving him enough gametime in won games where he can bump his goalscoring record and get money for him afterwards.Instead of scoring 5 goals in the PL if he scored 10-11 we would get 30mil for him.
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Re: Eddie Nketiah (14)

Postby UFGN » Tue Jun 11, 2024 2:40 pm

firfi wrote:It's just Arteta not giving him enough gametime in won games where he can bump his goalscoring record and get money for him afterwards.Instead of scoring 5 goals in the PL if he scored 10-11 we would get 30mil for him.


I don’t understand. If Arteta is so poor at managing players that they almost always lose value, how has Arteta achieved a big pay rise?

Please explain because I’m stumped
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Re: Eddie Nketiah (14)

Postby Highbury Hillbilly » Tue Jun 11, 2024 9:39 pm

Incredibly disappointing that Eddie seems to have no ambition to make his own mark at a club. With his U23 record you'd think he'd force his way out and be the main man somewhere. Vardy and Watkins played for England after starting from the bottom and proving themselves. Eddie started at Arsenal and is coasting his way into football oblivion like Jesse Lingard.
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Re: Eddie Nketiah (14)

Postby VCC » Wed Jun 12, 2024 12:27 am

Highbury Hillbilly wrote:Incredibly disappointing that Eddie seems to have no ambition to make his own mark at a club. With his U23 record you'd think he'd force his way out and be the main man somewhere. Vardy and Watkins played for England after starting from the bottom and proving themselves. Eddie started at Arsenal and is coasting his way into football oblivion like Jesse Lingard.

Exactly .........the type of loser mentality you don't want near a squad,
Hide away, rather watch someone else perform and hopefully get a winners medal on somebody's shirt tail
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Re: Eddie Nketiah (14)

Postby Jedi » Wed Jun 12, 2024 1:04 am

UFGN wrote:
firfi wrote:It's just Arteta not giving him enough gametime in won games where he can bump his goalscoring record and get money for him afterwards.Instead of scoring 5 goals in the PL if he scored 10-11 we would get 30mil for him.


I don’t understand. If Arteta is so poor at managing players that they almost always lose value, how has Arteta achieved a big pay rise?

Please explain because I’m stumped


I can explain. Your narrative is completely wrong. It's actually the opposite. Most players under Arteta have exploded in value since he joined.

Arteta has had a fantastic record of turning young-ish prospect players into stars.

Here's a few examples. Note: the red line either represents when Arteta joined Arsenal or when he signed the player—whichever came first.

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Other players whose transfer market value has gone up since Arteta signed them are Tomiyasu, Kiwior, Declan Rice, and even King Kai.
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Re: Eddie Nketiah (14)

Postby UFGN » Wed Jun 12, 2024 1:42 am

Jedi wrote:
UFGN wrote:
firfi wrote:It's just Arteta not giving him enough gametime in won games where he can bump his goalscoring record and get money for him afterwards.Instead of scoring 5 goals in the PL if he scored 10-11 we would get 30mil for him.


I don’t understand. If Arteta is so poor at managing players that they almost always lose value, how has Arteta achieved a big pay rise?

Please explain because I’m stumped


I can explain. Your narrative is completely wrong. It's actually the opposite. Most players under Arteta have exploded in value since he joined.

Arteta has had a fantastic record of turning young-ish prospect players into stars.

Here's a few examples. Note: the red line either represents when Arteta joined Arsenal or when he signed the player—whichever came first.

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Other players whose transfer market value has gone up since Arteta signed them are Tomiyasu, Kiwior, Declan Rice, and even King Kai.


I was talking specifically about players we actually want to sell. Yes some of our best players have gone up in value, but that’s not surprising, they are good players. Havertz has absolutely not gone up in value.

It is a feature of Arsenal that we rarely get market rate for fringe players and this is linked directly to Arteta burying them and never using them properly. It’s a huge waste of the club’s resources.
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Re: Eddie Nketiah (14)

Postby Jedi » Wed Jun 12, 2024 2:22 am

UFGN wrote:I was talking specifically about players we actually want to sell.

Nketiah is, presumably, one of those players. We'll see. I think there's a few players we can get some decent money for. In this regard, though, we're never going to be Chelsea, with their insane academy and one million youth products who are surplus to requirements.

Yes some of our best players have gone up in value, but that’s not surprising, they are good players.

No, this is dishonest framing. You can't do that.

Arteta took prospects, made them into stars and now you post-hoc rationalize it by assuming they were always destined to be good players. F*ck that.

If they were destined to be stars, they'd have appropriate market values at the time. They didn't, they were developed. Hence the crazy jump in market value.

Why did Real sell us Odegaard for 30, 40 odd million and not ask for 100 million? According to your logic, he's a good player, so it was natural he would develop so the market value should've been much higher there and then. Kai Havertz cost Chelsea £90million and he was younger than Odegaard. Joao Felix cost over 100 mil when he was a teenager.

What percentage of players in that Odegaard's price bracket end up developing into world class players with 100 mil + market values? A few percent at most and even that is maybe pushing it.

And how many players like Saka and Martinelli who were promising teens ended up with their careers completely fizzling out? Think of the Adnan Januzaj's, Iwobi's, Lingard's etc...

Rashford, Mount, Anthony, Gakpo, Van De Beek, Romeo Lavia, Darwin Nunez, Mudryk, Endo Fernandez, Caicedo and so on and so on. The vast majority of these players were rated higher than most of our current star players a while back. How are they doing now? They're mostly shit.

But for most of them, if they ended up at Arsenal, they'd absolutely ball and then you'd claim it was completely predictable because they're good? Come on, man. Nothing is set in stone, and when the players actually make it, we have to give the man who coaches them credit.

Havertz has absolutely not gone up in value.

You're gonna have to contact Transfermarkt about that one and debate them about it because their graph says otherwise.
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Re: Eddie Nketiah (14)

Postby theHotHead » Wed Jun 12, 2024 7:51 am

Jedi - what a load of old tat !! Who are these youngish prospects Arteta has turned into stars ? Gabriel - check, Odegaard - check, who else ?

I'm not giving you ESR because his value has tanked, I'm not giving you Martinelli because he bombed this season, it counters last season. White I could give you but half the forum would complain. You are absolutely not having Saliba, that hard wordk was done during his loan spells in France and his promotion to the National Team.

Who are these stars he has created ? You are not going to tell me Saka are you LOL ?!!!
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Re: Eddie Nketiah (14)

Postby Jedi » Wed Jun 12, 2024 11:35 am

You don't need to give me anything, you're not the arbiter. The market value is there for everyone to see.
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Re: Eddie Nketiah (14)

Postby theHotHead » Wed Jun 12, 2024 12:33 pm

Jedi wrote:You don't need to give me anything, you're not the arbiter. The market value is there for everyone to see.

Name them, dammit ! If you make the claim have the good grace to back it up.
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