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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby ag6789 » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:18 pm

Don't think so. Wenger did not make top four twice when Ozil was there. Neither did Emery or Arteta in his half a season stint.
So clearly Ozil has not been a factor in improving Arsenal performance in the past four seasons. Do not think he'll be either in this season. Shows his gradual waning influence on the team as a whole.
Overall Arsenal performance is exclusive of Ozil contribution for along while.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Marsbar100 » Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:26 pm

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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby alexafc12 » Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:29 pm

This season's Loyalty Bonus and Wages will amount to circa £25m

That's a huge amount of money for a club to sacrifice for non-footballing reasons.

Oh well, at least we're stacked with creative talent following the £17m signing on fee we paid to Willian
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby gamechannel » Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:39 pm

alexafc12 wrote:This season's Loyalty Bonus and Wages will amount to circa £25m

That's a huge amount of money for a club to sacrifice for non-footballing reasons.

Oh well, at least we're stacked with creative talent following the £17m signing on fee we paid to Willian


Yep! He will save us, for sure, while playing no. 9 for us.

All hail Arteta!
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Dejan » Tue Oct 20, 2020 7:06 pm

jayramfootball wrote:As I said it's a simple equation now.
Arteta has a successful season - which means top 4 - or it is entirely his fault that we didn't.
Managers who want to make huge decisions like this live or die by them.
No excuses.


What? We didnt finish top 4 in the last 2 season. you know, seasons in which ozil played.
So why its his fault if we dont manage to get top 4 just because ozil isnt selected?

We have seen last season that we play better without ozil, so including ozil in the PL squad will not improve us very much.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Nuggets » Tue Oct 20, 2020 7:11 pm

Marsbar100 wrote:Not registered for pl


That won't upset him at 35k per week for doing FA
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby DiamondGooner » Tue Oct 20, 2020 7:59 pm

So that's, that ........... as if it wasn't already.

Dead subject.

Excluded from Europa and Prem squad.

As if anyone needed telling again, this is over, officially ...............

https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... ague-squad
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Ach » Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:01 pm

Has to play in the league and fa cups.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby immsun » Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:30 pm

Thank you for the memories


Once in a lifetime player. Genuis.

Karma will be served to Arteta for sure.

We had ozil.....its just that we couldnt understand.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby gamechannel » Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:23 pm

immsun wrote:Thank you for the memories


Once in a lifetime player. Genuis.

Karma will be served to Arteta for sure.

We had ozil.....its just that we couldnt understand.


Arteta is a Master Politician. I guarantee Edu will be fired before Arteta does. Dude knows how to play backroom politics. He's a better tactician in the boardroom than on the pitch.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby swipe right » Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:38 pm

This is what happens when you don’t have footballing people running the club at the boardroom level and a weak manager and director. Wenger was the last big football personality at the club. Once they got rid of him they filled all the top jobs with amateurs and the board with lackeys. Shameful.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby EliteKiller » Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:43 am

swipe right wrote:This is what happens when you don’t have footballing people running the club at the boardroom level and a weak manager and director. Wenger was the last big football personality at the club. Once they got rid of him they filled all the top jobs with amateurs and the board with lackeys. Shameful.


That would be the same Wenger who agreed a contract guaranteeing a 32 year old 18m a year? ... who in his final years as boss took a top four squad and made it top six, who in partnership with Gazidis created a socialist wages structure we're still trying to correct ...

Wenger came to Arsenal and for well over a decade was a legendary manager, once he became to powerful the wheels came off, was that on him or the people who employed him? there's enough blame to share around. One thing is for certain Ozil is a symptom of everything that went wrong, managers and players however good have a finite life span DO NOT keep them around once they are past their best. We must learn or we will remain a retirement home rather than an academy.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby swipe right » Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:58 am

EliteKiller wrote:
swipe right wrote:This is what happens when you don’t have footballing people running the club at the boardroom level and a weak manager and director. Wenger was the last big football personality at the club. Once they got rid of him they filled all the top jobs with amateurs and the board with lackeys. Shameful.


That would be the same Wenger who agreed a contract guaranteeing a 32 year old 18m a year? ... who in his final years as boss took a top four squad and made it top six, who in partnership with Gazidis created a socialist wages structure we're still trying to correct ...

Wenger came to Arsenal and for well over a decade was a legendary manager, once he became to powerful the wheels came off, was that on him or the people who employed him? there's enough blame to share around. One thing is for certain Ozil is a symptom of everything that went wrong, managers and players however good have a finite life span DO NOT keep them around once they are past their best. We must learn or we will remain a retirement home rather than an academy.

Excuse me but answer the central premise of my post. Is Arsenal being run by seasoned footballing professionals at the top? Josh Kroenke and Vinai are managing the board and business. Two rookies in this area. Arteta and Edu who have never had such jobs are managing the footballing operations. Your criticism of Wenger is fair but there is no denying his vast knowledge of the game. I’d also rather remember 20 of his 22 years of champions league football than focus on the 2 years he missed out. A 90 percent average in a competitive sport is pretty damn good.
Good luck if you think the current lot are plotting a path back to CL or building from the back or any other fantasy fairytales you have in mind.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Gordon Bennit » Wed Oct 21, 2020 3:09 am

swipe right wrote:
EliteKiller wrote:
swipe right wrote:This is what happens when you don’t have footballing people running the club at the boardroom level and a weak manager and director. Wenger was the last big football personality at the club. Once they got rid of him they filled all the top jobs with amateurs and the board with lackeys. Shameful.


Your criticism of Wenger is fair but there is no denying his vast knowledge of the game. I’d also rather remember 20 of his 22 years of champions league football than focus on the 2 years he missed out. A 90 percent average in a competitive sport is pretty damn good.
Good luck if you think the current lot are plotting a path back to CL or building from the back or any other fantasy fairytales you have in mind.



Alternatively and off topic you could remember 22 years of European football with a 0% trophy average or out of 22 seasons, only 8 resulted in a trophy or trophies which is a 36% average of silverware. Or you could remember facing Bayern Munich with Yaya Sanogo up front etc.

Right now, an ageing player who doesn't shoot or want to track back isn't what we need. It is very sad though.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby VCC » Wed Oct 21, 2020 3:18 am

The game has moved on, best decision Ozil could have made if indeed PLAYING football was his focus would have been moving on too.
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