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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby gooney » Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:18 pm

Mike Dean wrote:Sorry folks but in the end quality wins.

You can have as many hard working and runners on your team but the thing that separates you from the mid table teams is quality.

You cant substitute skills with hard work.

If you think you can sell Ozil (which is going to be difficult in itself) and then get 3 cheaper hard working players for him, you are going to disappointed with the results. That will marginally improve your team at best but will not be anywhere near enough to let you complete with the big boys who have more skilled players and are willing to spend more than us. Our position on the table will still be the same at the end of the season. We need several big signings to improve this team and we need a manager that understands the value of skills and can handle big name players.

What's worse is that as time goes by, you wont find either big name players or big name coaches want to come here if we dont make the adjustment right now. Even now, look at the kind of players we are being linked to in the Arsenal transfer rumors page. It is sad.

The business model Arsenal are going for is to discover young players that are going to be stars. That's our only feasible avenue to squire talent under the new cheap business model and unfortunately that is going to be make it very very difficult to stay in the top 4 given the current makeup of the league. Winning the league is nearly impossible with that formula in the current environment.

What you are currently witnessing is a team transforming into an Everton like club but still clinging on to its name and history to give the illusion that it is a big club. Over time that illusion will be harder to keep. In fact, I would go as far to say that Everton has a brighter future than us because of Usmanov.

Sad times ahead with the current coach, management, and owner of this club.

All true. Personally if Ozil was younger I would hope the board would tell him he has to play Ozil. But Ozil sadly today cant demand that and if the manager dont want to play him....move him on. By moving him on it has to be a loan. A player of his age isnt just gonna walk out on 350k a week cause new manager dont like him.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby swipe right » Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:31 am

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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby EliteKiller » Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:51 am

Coming out from the training ground - Ozil was told he was going to be on the bench, he threw his toys - if true can't blame Emery for dropping him. As I said If True then if it is you can understand Emery's cryptic comment about 'not deserving' a place in the squad.

It's hard to believe that Emery wouldn't put Ozil on the bench, could it be about money, is Ozil on a bonus for starting? it has to be something ... the club or Emery need to clarify what the f**k is going on, fan base already splitting and that just negatively impacts the team as we saw under Wonger
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Marsbar100 » Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:58 am

It's pretty simple Emery gave ozil his chance to be a star and he didn't take the stage, is he better than what we have of course but to sacrifice 350k he needed to boss it.

He was given his chance and Emery and the board don't feel he is worth 350K, it's clear as day they are trying to force him out.

We aren't city or united if we pay someone 350k they need to be delivering like a hazard or aguero, ozil fulls way short of that.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Ach » Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:00 am

Lol Aguero has been shit for a while
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby swipe right » Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:02 am

Ozil has proved himself. World Cup and all. Emery hasn’t won a bag of chips yet.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Ach » Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:03 am

swipe right wrote:Ozil has proved himself. World Cup and all. Emery hasn’t won a bag of chips yet.

Lol what

Sevilla and PSG say hi
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Marsbar100 » Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:09 am

Ach wrote:Lol Aguero has been shit for a while


Shit or not he gets 30 goals a season
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby indy23 » Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:11 am

Ozil won the world cup
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby EliteKiller » Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:39 am

indy23 wrote:Ozil won the world cup


So did all this lot - does that mean should they all be starting for Arsenal? is that your point?

3 are retired, 2 have made money moves to joke leagues, 3 are bench warmers, just 6 are still playing, and only Ozil at the top of the EPL.

GK 1 Manuel Neuer - missed a season through injury back at BM
RB 16 Philipp Lahm - Retired
CB 20 Jérôme Boateng - Bench player BM
CB 5 Mats Hummels - Bench player BM
LB 4 Benedikt Höwedes - Gone to Russia for a last pay day
CM 23 Christoph Kramer - Playing at Borussia M
CM 7 Bastian Schweinsteiger - Gone to US for a last pay day
RW 13 Thomas Müller - Playing at BM
AM 18 Toni Kroos - Playing at Real Madrid
LW 8 Mesut Özil
CF 11 Miroslav Klose - Retired
Substitutions:
FW 9 André Schürrle - Playing at Fulham in a relegation battle
MF 19 Mario Götze - Bench player BM
DF 17 Per Mertesacker - Retired
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Santi » Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:11 am

Tbh, if Ozil is fit he should be starting. Emery is f***ing around with him too much.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby indy23 » Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:15 am

EliteKiller wrote:
indy23 wrote:Ozil won the world cup


So did all this lot - does that mean should they all be starting for Arsenal? is that your point?

3 are retired, 2 have made money moves to joke leagues, 3 are bench warmers, just 6 are still playing, and only Ozil at the top of the EPL.

GK 1 Manuel Neuer - missed a season through injury back at BM
RB 16 Philipp Lahm - Retired
CB 20 Jérôme Boateng - Bench player BM
CB 5 Mats Hummels - Bench player BM
LB 4 Benedikt Höwedes - Gone to Russia for a last pay day
CM 23 Christoph Kramer - Playing at Borussia M
CM 7 Bastian Schweinsteiger - Gone to US for a last pay day
RW 13 Thomas Müller - Playing at BM
AM 18 Toni Kroos - Playing at Real Madrid
LW 8 Mesut Özil
CF 11 Miroslav Klose - Retired
Substitutions:
FW 9 André Schürrle - Playing at Fulham in a relegation battle
MF 19 Mario Götze - Bench player BM
DF 17 Per Mertesacker - Retired

Thank


I agree with everyone on the sell ozil if we can train. He's not worldclass
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Mustafi » Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:36 am

Santi wrote:Tbh, if Ozil is fit he should be starting. Emery is f***ing around with him too much.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Angelito » Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:49 am

Mustafi wrote:
Santi wrote:Tbh, if Ozil is fit he should be starting. Emery is f***ing around with him too much.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Marsbar100 » Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:56 am

He is being pushed out because we have a wage cap issue, he is on to much money for what he offers, we haven't got top 4 with ozil the last 2 years, it's done he is the old arsenal and the face of what was wrong with it, what is the big fuss, I will repeat we failed to make top 4 two years running whilst he was our superstar 10.

Ideally it would be good if we could play him whilst waiting for him to piss off but he will not f**k off if we play him for obvious reasons.

ATM him and the club are playing poker, who will win I don't know he obviously has the upper hand though.

If we get rid of ozil and do f**k all in the transfer market then fair enough having a go will be merited, for now accept we have to accept we are in a transition phase.
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