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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Ach » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:39 pm

2010

Sneijder was also awesome.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Angelito » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:57 pm

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Marsbar100 wrote:So he hasn't taken he easy route out?


He's not.

He's played in three World Cups. He won one. He was the best midfielder in another one and he and his team flopped in the third one.

There's nothing more to accomplish. As a professional and fan of your national team, you have done it all and you just let go. After all, you've already won the biggest prize in football.

The cycle of players in international football is limited, which is why - Ozil is right to retire, if he does.

Unless you were very young when you first played in a world cup, or you are a generational great like Messi or Ronaldo, I don't think any player should play in more than three World Cups. The cycle ends there.


When was he the best midfielder in a world cup? 2010, Better than sneider, iniesta, xavi? He was very good but it probably wast hard to destroy that shit show of an England team

If that is his mentality then that is a concern because quite frankly he will not give a really shit if we fail, does that explain why he has random games off or gets accused of going missing when the going gets tough?

Yes i understand what you are saying and after winning the world cup you could probably live with out winning another trophy but did you see ramos when spain went out, he was crying.

He is only 29, he is easily good enough for the next world cup, Germany are in a state they could do with him, it would show great courage to f**k the haters and help Germany get back to where they belong


Bar Sneijder - I'd say. Xavi and Iniesta functioned like a duo and had the support of Busi and Alonso.

Nvm, people think like Germany win WCs all the time. Well, they do relative to others, but no. After 1990, they waited 24 years before winning the WC.

The onus isn't on Ozil to "take Germany to where they belong" now. He already did that. There's no point carrying on. If he does, I will understand. If he retires, I'll understand too - because either way, it's what he wants and thinks is right.

You raised Ramos as an example. It's funny because I wanted to talk about Spain and Argentina in my previous post. Ramos was part of Spain's core in 2010. He was a young sensation at RB then. Now, what happened in 2014 WC? Spain flopped. In 2018 WC? Well, they flopped too - failing to beat Morocco and only beating Iran via a lucky goal. They also managed to make Ron look like prime Ronaldo 'El Fenomeno' in world cups.

This is a problem most national teams go through except the tragedy of Argentina. Following that pattern, Argentina should have won the WC in 2014 and the Copas in 15 and 16 AND flopped in 2018. But Argentina are doomed, so whatever.

My point is if you retain the same core of players in successive world cups, it won't yield results because footballers play a lot of football these days as opposed to the Netherlands of the 70s, Brazil of the late 50s until 1970, or Argentina of '86 - '93.

France found that out. Spain did. Germany have. Italy as well. Unless you don't have the influx of talent i.e. Uruguay, it's always better to balance experience with youth in world cups. But the coaches are under massive pressure, so they tend to stick with what works.

We, as fans, care so much for our national teams and clubs. Imagine, how it would be for a player. Of course, they would care. If Ozil retires, that doesn't mean he doesn't care. It simply means his time for the national team is up. And his time has coincided with one of the best periods in German football history. He's accomplished what he set out to.

In 2022, he will be 33/34. It's held in December, the WC. It makes no sense for him to carry on until then. He's not like Messi who would trade all his titles for one World Cup, or like Ronaldo, who wants to win the Golden Boot/Ball in a WC.

Life is not a videogame.

Ozil will be prolonging his career and focusing entirely on Arsenal now, which is amazing. Under Emery, and now with Wenger's handbrakes off, we have a chance to achieve something. Ozil hasn't won the League with us. You never know, now - that might be his driving force.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Losmeister » Tue Jul 10, 2018 2:04 pm

ya know, Angelito made me think.

seriously, as fans, we're often rather preposterous. demanding things of strangers which we ourselves are absolutely incapable or ignorant of. i mean, who here earns multimillion dolalr salary and gets to be roundly (often racially) insulted by a bunch of drunken, rabid strangers?
who here has known what that type of pressure is like? many should probably re-read Per's article.
who here is truly world class in THEIR profession?

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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby mel4 » Tue Jul 10, 2018 2:37 pm

EliteKiller wrote:You should never 'quit' on your Country .... Shearer 'quitting' on England before 2002 probably cost us a place in the final .... if Germany don't pick him that's fine but no player should ever abandon their Country ....



I usually like like this Nationalistic "oh don't abandon your country", when everything else suggests that the entire country want to bury you alive. :dizzy:


........ once known as The Arsenal


Does not matter anyways, whether we sign Ibra + PEA + Gundogan + Kante + Hummels, this Wenger can not win the league.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby theHotHead » Tue Jul 10, 2018 2:59 pm

Marsbar100 wrote:
Marsbar100 wrote:Couldn't give a shit about Germany but rightly or wrongly he is taking the easy route out, the mentality he appears to have doesn't come across as one that we should build a team around or make as a talisman.


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So he hasn't taken he easy route out?

How has he taken the easy route ? What kind of a dickhead would he be to play for a team he is not appreciated in and is scapegoated. Why should he continue to play when he has achieve everything he wanted ? It has nothing to do with taking the easy option, life is as complicated as you make it, if you want to go through life fighting the world and his dog, go ahead, at there comes a time when you realise that there are more important things in life than always being right or fighting for something that is not that important.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Va-Va-Voom » Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:11 pm

Ach wrote:2010

Sneijder was also awesome.


Sneijder was the best midfielder that year.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby GBLShorty » Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:12 pm

i'd like to see us sell Ozil, he can be brilliant but its rare, i'd rather sell him and buy a Left Winger, 350k a week is a joke for what he gives us.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Santi » Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:55 pm

Why would you play for a country where the majority of fans have rejected you based on 1 picture and 1 statement?


It's ridiculous how they've used him and Gundogan as scapegoats, although more Ozil cos he's a main player and Gundo is out of the limelight. Everybody I've spoken to out there says they think he shouldn't have even gone to the world cup after that picture.... why would you play for people like that :dontknow:
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Angelito » Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:56 pm

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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby aniym » Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:42 pm

Praying Ronaldo has a shit first season at Juve and demands that Ozil be brought in at any price to lay passes at his feet like the old days.

350k pw for 'chances created' for a club like Arsenal is a worse investment than buying into an Initial Coin Offering.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Ach » Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:52 pm

I hope we create no chances to make people happy
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby LMAO » Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:55 pm

I still think both he and Gundogan should've been dropped from the German WC squad and told to get their minds right.

But scapegoating him because of Germany's overall performance? That's weak.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby LMAO » Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:57 pm

Ach wrote:I hope we create no chances to make people happy


Some people want to see us play some proper Brexit 4-4-2 hoofball. I don't get it.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Ach » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:07 pm

LMAO wrote:
Ach wrote:I hope we create no chances to make people happy


Some people want to see us play some proper Brexit 4-4-2 hoofball. I don't get it.

It baffles me. They don't understand the game. Only way I can make sense of it.

But I am a man of the people so I join them, Get rid of Ozil, the creator of chances, the winner of trophies, the assister of goals and ignore how shit our game was without him as we had no clue what to do.

But lets go further, just like we don't want Ozil to do his job, lets sell Auba for scoring goals. How dare he does his job? Sell Leno before he has a chance to do his job and make a save. God forbid that happens. Sell Sell Sell

I am with you on this my fellow brothers in the Ozil hating, not understanding football brotherhood. I just hope you can accept me for who I am and not the ozil lover I once was.

Sickens me I loved how chances were created, not just by him but any player. Give me a 0-0 over a victory any day as victory suggests a goal and a goal comes from a chance. A chance created. Dear god we can not allow this.

Of course we might fluke a goal. Its possible but risky. We must play keep ball and just keep it. Never give it away as the opposition might......whisper it quietly create a chance. I shuddered thinking about that.

Leeds back in 98/99 under George Graham hardly scored, hardly conceded. Thats what we want

One day it will happen. Ozil must go
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Pudpop » Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:18 pm

Ach wrote:
LMAO wrote:
Ach wrote:I hope we create no chances to make people happy


Some people want to see us play some proper Brexit 4-4-2 hoofball. I don't get it.

It baffles me. They don't understand the game. Only way I can make sense of it.

But I am a man of the people so I join them, Get rid of Ozil, the creator of chances, the winner of trophies, the assister of goals and ignore how shit our game was without him as we had no clue what to do.

But lets go further, just like we don't want Ozil to do his job, lets sell Auba for scoring goals. How dare he does his job? Sell Leno before he has a chance to do his job and make a save. God forbid that happens. Sell Sell Sell

I am with you on this my fellow brothers in the Ozil hating, not understanding football brotherhood. I just hope you can accept me for who I am and not the ozil lover I once was.

Sickens me I loved how chances were created, not just by him but any player. Give me a 0-0 over a victory any day as victory suggests a goal and a goal comes from a chance. A chance created. Dear god we can not allow this.

Of course we might fluke a goal. Its possible but risky. We must play keep ball and just keep it. Never give it away as the opposition might......whisper it quietly create a chance. I shuddered thinking about that.

Leeds back in 98/99 under George Graham hardly scored, hardly conceded. Thats what we want

One day it will happen. Ozil must go
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I've been converted, #ÖzilÖut
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