Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

[ag6789]

We like it or not, absence of Saka diminishes us as a team. W/o him number of our players lose their edge.
Presence of Saka alone energizes Odegaard, Havertz, Trossard and , in the past , Martinelli.
Going by the past records, frontline of Saka, Havertz, Trossard and Odegaard, aided by White and Timber( LB) with Rice behind them is probably the most potent attack we have mustered so far. Absence of Saka, Havertz, White, fall from grace for Martinelli and Odegaard ( at the moment) has dampened our spirits and blunted us significantly.
Early days, but creativity and energy of new comers
haven't inspired the fan base so far. They at least need to show they have something to prove.

[Ach]

No. Angry at a cowardly manager who played cowardly tactics and we lost the game

[Jedi]

No. Angry at a cowardly manager who played cowardly tactics and we lost the game

So you prefer losing 5-1 and having no chance of winning at all?

....and still won FA

You're wrong, but you're right. He did win FA... the FA cup

[Marsbar100]

They conceded 4 goals in their first two games of the season, they have been shaky and looked like they could be got at.

Exactly this

Yup, we held a white flag, sky high.

[Va-Va-Voom]

For example, if I'm thinking of the biggest mistake in this game, I'd say it was wasting the right corners by having Rice take them.

Leaving Martinelli on for 70 mins

[VCC]

For example, if I'm thinking of the biggest mistake in this game, I'd say it was wasting the right corners by having Rice take them.

Leaving Martinelli on for 70 mins

Biggest mistake for me was starting a player with an injury.
And bringing on a player who couldn't start because of a knock.

[Nuggets]

No. Angry at a cowardly manager who played cowardly tactics and we lost the game

So you prefer losing 5-1 and having no chance of winning at all?

....and still won FA

You're wrong, but you're right. He did win FA... the FA cup

With Emery's team. A team that picked its self.

[theHotHead]

Salibatelli, if Arteta didn't pick such a negative lineup I have no doubt we would've won the game, honestly.

We’ll never know but he did and he’s the manager, you can’t separate him from the outcome you predict because he controls everything about it from our side.

He is fully responsible when we win, lose or draw, my voice on that has never changed !

[theHotHead]

Bring back Emery.

Emery at Anfield:
Played 8 — 0 wins, 1 draw, 7 losses

Pep (aka best manager in the last decade) at Anfield:
Played 11 — 1 win, 3 draws, 7 losses

Arteta at Anfield:
Played 9 — 1 win, 4 draws, 3 losses

B..b...but... NEGATIVE TACTICS!!! I WANT TO LOSE 5-1 WITH THE DON!!!

We were unbeaten in the previous 3 games against Liverpool without using ultra negative tactics !

Try again fam.

[theHotHead]

Lastly, don't act like you didn't see me post Guardiola's record at Anfield which is equally abysmal. Unhappy with his budget too?

Guardiola wins stuff, so its a moot point.

We could lose 100 out of 100 games against the almighty Spurs for all I care, if it meant we won stuff.

[theHotHead]

So we should just not try at anfield at all then

Yeah, I'm sure all 3500 Gooners that make the trip to Anfield annually would love that, spend a small fortune to go and watch Arsenal at Liverpool park the bus and show little to no offensive ambition.

[theHotHead]

No, that's you guys. You guys prefer Emery who had us lose 8-2 on aggregate in the two league games he managed Arsenal at Anfield, because the optics were somehow better, because we scored 2 goals.

I prefer the guy who is statistically more likely to win there and that is Arteta.

Just look at the numbers, and you lose. You can't form a coherent argument.

Jedi you just killed your own argument, own goal FC.

On the one hand you say Arteta is most likely statistically to win at Anfield - or not lose - at Anfield. I am cool with that.

HOWEVER, in all of those occasions Arteta did not pick an ultra-defensive team. Thats your own goal, thats the big difference here.

[theHotHead]

We like it or not, absence of Saka diminishes us as a team. W/o him number of our players lose their edge.
Presence of Saka alone energizes Odegaard, Havertz, Trossard and , in the past , Martinelli.
Going by the past records, frontline of Saka, Havertz, Trossard and Odegaard, aided by White and Timber( LB) with Rice behind them is probably the most potent attack we have mustered so far. Absence of Saka, Havertz, White, fall from grace for Martinelli and Odegaard ( at the moment) has dampened our spirits and blunted us significantly.
Early days, but creativity and energy of new comers
haven't inspired the fan base so far. They at least need to show they have something to prove.

Have you not been watching our games ? Saka hasn't energised anyone ! Odegaard has been dreadful as has Martinelli. It is probable that had Saka played instead of Madueke, considering how much trouble Kerkez was in, Saka may have had more joy, but, meh.

[Jedi]

We were unbeaten in the previous 3 games against Liverpool without using ultra negative tactics !

Try again fam.

Not really. The players were different (injuries and availability dictated the starting team) but at Anfield we set up pretty much the same and then managed to score a few headers here and there. Something that didn't happen for us this time around.

And there was no crazy Szoboslai free kick and that's the difference between a draw and a loss, even though we dominated more of the game this time around.

This is also, btw, the same way we set up at Santiago Bernabeu but Real were more defensively suspect and we won that game so you all memory-holed that.

Guardiola wins stuff, so its a moot point.

Why? We're not discussing who's the better manager? Guardiola is the better manager, obviously.

We're discussing whether setting up defensively at Anfield is worth it, and the fact that Arteta has a better record at Anfield suggests his approach is better than Guardiola's when it comes to this fixture.

Just saying "BuT gUaRdiOla WiNs tRoPhiEs" like a drone is not gonna cut it, you actually have to use your head and read what's being discussed and respond to it in a substantive way if you want to engage in any kind of debate.

[Salibatelli]

Arteta seems to try and stifle teams, whether it be by having all the possession, or by sitting back and playing as a defensive teams, it’s all about stopping the opposition, not playing a progressive game to beat them.

It fits into his very micro-managing dictatorial style, as do the set pieces, everything is controlled to the last detail.

Fact is this method doesn’t work, he’s been doing it for 6 years and it’s failed because he’s won no trophies, I know he won the FA cup but that wasn’t his players and he had hardly had a chance to impose his methods then, so it’s barely down to him.

Doesn’t matter how much money you give him he can’t deliver the trophies.