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Re: Aaron Ramsey (8)

Postby StLGooner » Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:17 pm

indy23 wrote:Would just mean we would need to sign someone to replace him. Pulisic.



Two different types of players really. Pulisic plays out wide mostly.

He probably is better than Iwobi though. I say that with no American bias.
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Re: Aaron Ramsey (8)

Postby LegendaryKeown » Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:18 pm

StLGooner wrote:
indy23 wrote:Would just mean we would need to sign someone to replace him. Pulisic.



Two different types of players really. Pulisic plays out wide mostly.

He probably is better than Iwobi though. I say that with no American bias.

Any stats to back that up?
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Re: Aaron Ramsey (8)

Postby StLGooner » Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:37 pm

LegendaryKeown wrote:
StLGooner wrote:
indy23 wrote:Would just mean we would need to sign someone to replace him. Pulisic.



Two different types of players really. Pulisic plays out wide mostly.

He probably is better than Iwobi though. I say that with no American bias.

Any stats to back that up?



What that he's better than Iwobi?

How would stats prove that? They wouldn't is the answer.
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Re: Aaron Ramsey (8)

Postby LegendaryKeown » Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:08 pm

StLGooner wrote:
LegendaryKeown wrote:
StLGooner wrote:
indy23 wrote:Would just mean we would need to sign someone to replace him. Pulisic.



Two different types of players really. Pulisic plays out wide mostly.

He probably is better than Iwobi though. I say that with no American bias.

Any stats to back that up?



What that he's better than Iwobi?

How would stats prove that? They wouldn't is the answer.

Goals? Assists? They would prove it.

Not that he is though. Iwobi took his team to a World Cup
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Re: Aaron Ramsey (8)

Postby indy23 » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:36 pm

LegendaryKeown wrote:
StLGooner wrote:
LegendaryKeown wrote:
StLGooner wrote:
indy23 wrote:Would just mean we would need to sign someone to replace him. Pulisic.



Two different types of players really. Pulisic plays out wide mostly.

He probably is better than Iwobi though. I say that with no American bias.

Any stats to back that up?



What that he's better than Iwobi?

How would stats prove that? They wouldn't is the answer.

Goals? Assists? They would prove it.

Not that he is though. Iwobi took his team to a World Cup


He took his team to the world cup? Pulisic is going to be the better player. Iwobi will be our tweener. When he's shit he's dire. Kinda like this guy ( the thread we are in).
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Re: Aaron Ramsey (8)

Postby StLGooner » Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:29 pm

LegendaryKeown wrote:
StLGooner wrote:
LegendaryKeown wrote:
StLGooner wrote:
indy23 wrote:Would just mean we would need to sign someone to replace him. Pulisic.



Two different types of players really. Pulisic plays out wide mostly.

He probably is better than Iwobi though. I say that with no American bias.

Any stats to back that up?



What that he's better than Iwobi?

How would stats prove that? They wouldn't is the answer.

Goals? Assists? They would prove it.

Not that he is though. Iwobi took his team to a World Cup



Their stats are identical pretty much, but still what does that prove? Nothing.

So Iwobi took his team to the world cup and you think that proves he's better than Pulisic? So I guess he's better than Alexis too huh? See how shit that logic is?
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Re: Aaron Ramsey (8)

Postby Zenith » Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:57 pm

StLGooner wrote:
LegendaryKeown wrote:
StLGooner wrote:
LegendaryKeown wrote:
StLGooner wrote:
indy23 wrote:Would just mean we would need to sign someone to replace him. Pulisic.



Two different types of players really. Pulisic plays out wide mostly.

He probably is better than Iwobi though. I say that with no American bias.

Any stats to back that up?



What that he's better than Iwobi?

How would stats prove that? They wouldn't is the answer.

Goals? Assists? They would prove it.

Not that he is though. Iwobi took his team to a World Cup



Their stats are identical pretty much, but still what does that prove? Nothing.

So Iwobi took his team to the world cup and you think that proves he's better than Pulisic? So I guess he's better than Alexis too huh? See how shit that logic is?

It's a piece of flawed reasoning.

It's also fictive and borderline preposterous to suggest he carried Nigeria to the World Cup.

Heck, Alex is yet to become a nailed-on starter for Nigeria.

He did his bit, nothing more nothing less.
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Re: Aaron Ramsey (8)

Postby StLGooner » Fri Sep 14, 2018 1:19 pm

Zenith wrote:
StLGooner wrote:
LegendaryKeown wrote:
StLGooner wrote:
LegendaryKeown wrote:
StLGooner wrote:
indy23 wrote:Would just mean we would need to sign someone to replace him. Pulisic.



Two different types of players really. Pulisic plays out wide mostly.

He probably is better than Iwobi though. I say that with no American bias.

Any stats to back that up?



What that he's better than Iwobi?

How would stats prove that? They wouldn't is the answer.

Goals? Assists? They would prove it.

Not that he is though. Iwobi took his team to a World Cup



Their stats are identical pretty much, but still what does that prove? Nothing.

So Iwobi took his team to the world cup and you think that proves he's better than Pulisic? So I guess he's better than Alexis too huh? See how shit that logic is?

It's a piece of flawed reasoning.

It's also fictive and borderline preposterous to suggest he carried Nigeria to the World Cup.

Heck, Alex is yet to become a nailed-on starter for Nigeria.

He did his bit, nothing more nothing less.


Exactly.

Now this doesn't mean I think Pulisic is a great player. I do believe he still has tons of potential, and yes, he is overhyped cause he's American. Kind of like being an overhyped English player and there are a ton of them. But it don't take much to be better than Iwobi. And I don't think Iwobi's shit, but still think all around Pulisic is the better athlete, player, and is better with the mental part of his game too. But like Iwobi, he's also lacking in the final 3rd of the pitch. I'm not sure who is actually the faster player, but Pulisic looks quicker to me, and seems to have more ability to beat players with the ball.

Anyway, sorry, I know this is a Ramsey thread.
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Re: Aaron Ramsey (8)

Postby LegendaryKeown » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:14 pm

StLGooner wrote:
LegendaryKeown wrote:
StLGooner wrote:
LegendaryKeown wrote:
StLGooner wrote:
indy23 wrote:Would just mean we would need to sign someone to replace him. Pulisic.



Two different types of players really. Pulisic plays out wide mostly.

He probably is better than Iwobi though. I say that with no American bias.

Any stats to back that up?



What that he's better than Iwobi?

How would stats prove that? They wouldn't is the answer.

Goals? Assists? They would prove it.

Not that he is though. Iwobi took his team to a World Cup



Their stats are identical pretty much, but still what does that prove? Nothing.

So Iwobi took his team to the world cup and you think that proves he's better than Pulisic? So I guess he's better than Alexis too huh? See how shit that logic is?

Sanchez has more goals and assists, so kind of the obvious differentiation. If Pulisic was better than Iwobi, he'd have more assists and goals in a far, far easier league.
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Re: Aaron Ramsey (8)

Postby StLGooner » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:17 pm

LegendaryKeown wrote:
StLGooner wrote:
LegendaryKeown wrote:
StLGooner wrote:
LegendaryKeown wrote:
StLGooner wrote:
indy23 wrote:Would just mean we would need to sign someone to replace him. Pulisic.



Two different types of players really. Pulisic plays out wide mostly.

He probably is better than Iwobi though. I say that with no American bias.

Any stats to back that up?



What that he's better than Iwobi?

How would stats prove that? They wouldn't is the answer.

Goals? Assists? They would prove it.

Not that he is though. Iwobi took his team to a World Cup



Their stats are identical pretty much, but still what does that prove? Nothing.

So Iwobi took his team to the world cup and you think that proves he's better than Pulisic? So I guess he's better than Alexis too huh? See how shit that logic is?

Sanchez has more goals and assists, so kind of the obvious differentiation. If Pulisic was better than Iwobi, he'd have more assists and goals in a far, far easier league.



Not true at all actually.
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Re: Aaron Ramsey (8)

Postby LegendaryKeown » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:19 pm

StLGooner wrote:
LegendaryKeown wrote:
StLGooner wrote:
LegendaryKeown wrote:
StLGooner wrote:
LegendaryKeown wrote:
StLGooner wrote:
indy23 wrote:Would just mean we would need to sign someone to replace him. Pulisic.



Two different types of players really. Pulisic plays out wide mostly.

He probably is better than Iwobi though. I say that with no American bias.

Any stats to back that up?



What that he's better than Iwobi?

How would stats prove that? They wouldn't is the answer.

Goals? Assists? They would prove it.

Not that he is though. Iwobi took his team to a World Cup



Their stats are identical pretty much, but still what does that prove? Nothing.

So Iwobi took his team to the world cup and you think that proves he's better than Pulisic? So I guess he's better than Alexis too huh? See how shit that logic is?

Sanchez has more goals and assists, so kind of the obvious differentiation. If Pulisic was better than Iwobi, he'd have more assists and goals in a far, far easier league.



Not true at all actually.

Why not? They both play the same position and Pulisic played in a easier league.

A winger is supposed to give goals and assists. I seriously doubt Pulisic gives more workrate
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Re: Aaron Ramsey (8)

Postby StLGooner » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:27 pm

LegendaryKeown wrote:
StLGooner wrote:
LegendaryKeown wrote:
StLGooner wrote:
LegendaryKeown wrote:
StLGooner wrote:
LegendaryKeown wrote:
StLGooner wrote:
indy23 wrote:Would just mean we would need to sign someone to replace him. Pulisic.



Two different types of players really. Pulisic plays out wide mostly.

He probably is better than Iwobi though. I say that with no American bias.

Any stats to back that up?



What that he's better than Iwobi?

How would stats prove that? They wouldn't is the answer.

Goals? Assists? They would prove it.

Not that he is though. Iwobi took his team to a World Cup



Their stats are identical pretty much, but still what does that prove? Nothing.

So Iwobi took his team to the world cup and you think that proves he's better than Pulisic? So I guess he's better than Alexis too huh? See how shit that logic is?

Sanchez has more goals and assists, so kind of the obvious differentiation. If Pulisic was better than Iwobi, he'd have more assists and goals in a far, far easier league.



Not true at all actually.

Why not? They both play the same position and Pulisic played in a easier league.

A winger is supposed to give goals and assists. I seriously doubt Pulisic gives more workrate



Well just watch them play. You can see the difference. You can actually see the difference in skill level. Stats don't tell you everything. If you just went by stats, there would be so many players that look worse than other players, but are actually better. You can see that in about every sport.

He definitely has a good work rate. Kid runs his head off. Is it better than Iwobi's? Who cares, that's besides the point as we're talking about over all skill, not work rate. You can have a good work rate and be shit.
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Re: Aaron Ramsey (8)

Postby LegendaryKeown » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:33 pm

StLGooner wrote:

Well just watch them play. You can see the difference. You can actually see the difference in skill level. Stats don't tell you everything. If you just went by stats, there would be so many players that look worse than other players, but are actually better. You can see that in about every sport.

He definitely has a good work rate. Kid runs his head off. Is it better than Iwobi's? Who cares, that's besides the point as we're talking about over all skill, not work rate. You can have a good work rate and be shit.

There is no difference in skill level. In the end, Gervinho was skillful but had no end product. I'd say Gervinho was more skillful than Pulisic and Iwobi combined
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Re: Aaron Ramsey (8)

Postby StLGooner » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:35 pm

LegendaryKeown wrote:
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Well just watch them play. You can see the difference. You can actually see the difference in skill level. Stats don't tell you everything. If you just went by stats, there would be so many players that look worse than other players, but are actually better. You can see that in about every sport.

He definitely has a good work rate. Kid runs his head off. Is it better than Iwobi's? Who cares, that's besides the point as we're talking about over all skill, not work rate. You can have a good work rate and be shit.

There is no difference in skill level. In the end, Gervinho was skillful but had no end product. I'd say Gervinho was more skillful than Pulisic and Iwobi combined



Meh, agree to disagree then.
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Re: Aaron Ramsey (8)

Postby LegendaryKeown » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:35 pm

StLGooner wrote:
LegendaryKeown wrote:
StLGooner wrote:

Well just watch them play. You can see the difference. You can actually see the difference in skill level. Stats don't tell you everything. If you just went by stats, there would be so many players that look worse than other players, but are actually better. You can see that in about every sport.

He definitely has a good work rate. Kid runs his head off. Is it better than Iwobi's? Who cares, that's besides the point as we're talking about over all skill, not work rate. You can have a good work rate and be shit.

There is no difference in skill level. In the end, Gervinho was skillful but had no end product. I'd say Gervinho was more skillful than Pulisic and Iwobi combined



Meh, agree to disagree then.

I'll humour you. What skill is Pulisic better at?
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