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Re: WENGER OUT

Postby Arsene Nose » Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:51 am

EliteKiller wrote:Said it before but it's worth repeating ....

Wonger inherited a club with the mindset 'they will not score' ... our mantra was '1-0 to The Arsenal' ... players would metaphorically 'die' to wear the shirt .... we were undisputed top dog in London

into that mindset came Lauren - Campbell - Toure - Cole and the Invincibles were created ....

BUT

the Invincibles failed to kick on, the tinkering began and by 2008 we were into the era of tippy-tappy ....

the Tippy Tappy era ended with no real success and we started the long slow decent to mid-table ....

Wonger will leave the club with the mindset 'meh' ... our mantra is 'win or bust' ... players now worry about their 'social media image' whilst doing pretty much what they want on the pitch .... we are no longer top dog in London

Sure in 25 years the game's changed, but you don't get this shite at Dippers, Spuds, City ..... a football club needs an identity what's ours?

That's Wonger's failure right there ... rode his luck but ultimately wasn't capable in the modern game ... nice guys get fecked' the trouble is he's fecked us right along with him, and we didn't get 8m a year for the privilege ..... our club The Arsenal lost it's way, lost it's identity, and lost it's connection to us the fans, it will take years to regain our superiority in London, if that's even possible, so if you credit Wonger for the good times, then you have to blame Wonger for the state we are now in .... he's a decade past his sell-by date, it's killing us .....

Rolling on the floor laughing at your take on history. :rofll:
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Re: WENGER OUT

Postby Phil71 » Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:08 am

A simple chart I put together to show our decline since we last won the league in 04.

It shows how many points we were inside the Champions League positions each season.

Despite a brief upturn in 07/08, we have been on an obvious decline.

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Re: WENGER OUT

Postby KG3 » Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:44 am

Phil71 wrote:A simple chart I put together to show our decline since we last won the league in 04.

It shows how many points we were inside the Champions League positions each season.

Despite a brief upturn in 07/08, we have been on an obvious decline.

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You have too much free time bro :lol:
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Re: WENGER OUT

Postby Phil71 » Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:46 am

KG3 wrote:
Phil71 wrote:A simple chart I put together to show our decline since we last won the league in 04.

It shows how many points we were inside the Champions League positions each season.

Despite a brief upturn in 07/08, we have been on an obvious decline.

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You have too much free time bro :lol:


:P

It only took about ten minutes.
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Re: WENGER OUT

Postby Interest: waning » Tue Apr 17, 2018 11:17 am

I just want him to f***ing leave

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Re: WENGER OUT

Postby theHotHead » Tue Apr 17, 2018 11:59 am

Arsene Nose wrote:
EliteKiller wrote:Said it before but it's worth repeating ....

Wonger inherited a club with the mindset 'they will not score' ... our mantra was '1-0 to The Arsenal' ... players would metaphorically 'die' to wear the shirt .... we were undisputed top dog in London

into that mindset came Lauren - Campbell - Toure - Cole and the Invincibles were created ....

BUT

the Invincibles failed to kick on, the tinkering began and by 2008 we were into the era of tippy-tappy ....

the Tippy Tappy era ended with no real success and we started the long slow decent to mid-table ....

Wonger will leave the club with the mindset 'meh' ... our mantra is 'win or bust' ... players now worry about their 'social media image' whilst doing pretty much what they want on the pitch .... we are no longer top dog in London

Sure in 25 years the game's changed, but you don't get this shite at Dippers, Spuds, City ..... a football club needs an identity what's ours?

That's Wonger's failure right there ... rode his luck but ultimately wasn't capable in the modern game ... nice guys get fecked' the trouble is he's fecked us right along with him, and we didn't get 8m a year for the privilege ..... our club The Arsenal lost it's way, lost it's identity, and lost it's connection to us the fans, it will take years to regain our superiority in London, if that's even possible, so if you credit Wonger for the good times, then you have to blame Wonger for the state we are now in .... he's a decade past his sell-by date, it's killing us .....

Rolling on the floor laughing at your take on history. :rofll:

Not sure what you find funny about the post, it looks pretty spot on to me
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Re: WENGER OUT

Postby Nuggets » Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:54 pm

EliteKiller wrote:Said it before but it's worth repeating ....

Wonger inherited a club with the mindset 'they will not score' ... our mantra was '1-0 to The Arsenal' ... players would metaphorically 'die' to wear the shirt .... we were undisputed top dog in London

into that mindset came Lauren - Campbell - Toure - Cole and the Invincibles were created ....

BUT

the Invincibles failed to kick on, the tinkering began and by 2008 we were into the era of tippy-tappy ....

the Tippy Tappy era ended with no real success and we started the long slow decent to mid-table ....

Wonger will leave the club with the mindset 'meh' ... our mantra is 'win or bust' ... players now worry about their 'social media image' whilst doing pretty much what they want on the pitch .... we are no longer top dog in London

Sure in 25 years the game's changed, but you don't get this shite at Dippers, Spuds, City ..... a football club needs an identity what's ours?

That's Wonger's failure right there ... rode his luck but ultimately wasn't capable in the modern game ... nice guys get fecked' the trouble is he's fecked us right along with him, and we didn't get 8m a year for the privilege ..... our club The Arsenal lost it's way, lost it's identity, and lost it's connection to us the fans, it will take years to regain our superiority in London, if that's even possible, so if you credit Wonger for the good times, then you have to blame Wonger for the state we are now in .... he's a decade past his sell-by date, it's killing us .....


I think that sums it up nicely.
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Re: WENGER OUT

Postby Andrew » Tue Apr 17, 2018 2:33 pm

Will always support whoever is our coach .

Wenger's success is our success ! Let's win the Europa League .
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Re: WENGER OUT

Postby Angelito » Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:27 pm

theHotHead wrote:
Arsene Nose wrote:
EliteKiller wrote:Said it before but it's worth repeating ....

Wonger inherited a club with the mindset 'they will not score' ... our mantra was '1-0 to The Arsenal' ... players would metaphorically 'die' to wear the shirt .... we were undisputed top dog in London

into that mindset came Lauren - Campbell - Toure - Cole and the Invincibles were created ....

BUT

the Invincibles failed to kick on, the tinkering began and by 2008 we were into the era of tippy-tappy ....

the Tippy Tappy era ended with no real success and we started the long slow decent to mid-table ....

Wonger will leave the club with the mindset 'meh' ... our mantra is 'win or bust' ... players now worry about their 'social media image' whilst doing pretty much what they want on the pitch .... we are no longer top dog in London

Sure in 25 years the game's changed, but you don't get this shite at Dippers, Spuds, City ..... a football club needs an identity what's ours?

That's Wonger's failure right there ... rode his luck but ultimately wasn't capable in the modern game ... nice guys get fecked' the trouble is he's fecked us right along with him, and we didn't get 8m a year for the privilege ..... our club The Arsenal lost it's way, lost it's identity, and lost it's connection to us the fans, it will take years to regain our superiority in London, if that's even possible, so if you credit Wonger for the good times, then you have to blame Wonger for the state we are now in .... he's a decade past his sell-by date, it's killing us .....

Rolling on the floor laughing at your take on history. :rofll:

Not sure what you find funny about the post, it looks pretty spot on to me


It's not.

Wenger of today =/= Wenger of until 2006.

No English club had gone an entire season unbeaten for over a century before Wenger. Without the support of Sky money or FA pandering to ManU, whose premier commander-in-chief has a whopping 2 CLs in 26+ years as manager of the second or arguably the biggest club in world, Arsenal managed to rock the foundation of English football. "Poor" Wenger has only 1 CL final to show for. Meanwhile, GOAT manager of GOAT club with GOAT resources has 2 CLs in 26 appearances. Meh.

If we hadn't moved to the Emirates and utilized our resources in strengthening, we would have won the UCL - whether in 2006, 2007, or 2008.

It's convenient to apply revisionism when it comes to Wenger. Nothing changes the fact that the man was way ahead of the game in his initial years at Arsenal. It doesn't help that Arsenal administration since David Dein left has been clueless. It's become "cool" to shit on Wenger's accomplishments at Arsenal. That is as farther from the truth as anything.

There is only ONE manager in PL history who has won the PL without buying it and it's one Arsene Wenger. Well, hello Gooners, we went an entire season unbeaten!

- Arsenal would have been where Everton are today without Wenger, yes.
- Arsenal should have sacked Wenger during the summer of 2011, yes.

Wenger was the best manager in the world at one point. It's the fault of whoever runs our club that they let him overstay his welcome.

The whole revising of history to suit today's sensibility is in poor taste.
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Re: WENGER OUT

Postby UFGN » Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:40 pm

Angelito he's more or less right though

I don't see any revisionism there, or if there is it doesn't alter the facts regarding where we are now and how we've deteriorated, both on the pitch and psychologically.

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Re: WENGER OUT

Postby Va-Va-Voom » Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:49 pm

Angelito



If we hadn't moved to the Emirates and utilized our resources in strengthening, we would have won the UCL whether in 2006, 2007, or 2008


Just No. Wenger is the most under achieving manager in European football history.

Our greatest teams never got past the QFs.


There is only ONE manager in PL history who has won the PL without buying it and it's one Arsene Wenger.


Ranieri and Leicester say hi.

Wenger was certainly brilliant but he never even managed to win back-to-back titles. Our squads in the early to mid 00s were far more talented than the United squads of that era.

We bottled the title in '03 and the Invincibles bottled the CL at home to a pre-Mourinho Chelsea, just after bottling the FA Cup to United.

Going unbeaten saved Wenger's legacy, because if '04 was just a standard title win where we lost a few games he would be viewed a lot differently.

All in all he has underachieved in the PL.
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Re: WENGER OUT

Postby Ach » Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:59 pm

Wenger was good, he was damn good

Now hes shit, hes damn shit

He should have left in 2004 after winning the title cos it was never going to get better than that but understandable he stayed and we won the cup and reached the CL after that but the move to emirates should have been a new era

Wenger stayed and depended on this FFP malarkey to enable us to get back to the top and it failed. As long as you have chequebook managers like Pep and whoever PSGs manager is and then FFP will fail.

We were told we would compete with the best clubs for the best players but they failed to notice that football moves on. When we were told we would compete, the prices paid for top players were 40m-50m

We are doing that now but the game has moved on and the best players are going for twice as much and thus we stay behind and getting further behind

Through out all this players have changed, owners have changed, chairman has changed, director of football has changed but one thing hasn't and that's what has kept us down.

This overrating of Wenger during his successful years doesn't need to be. We were never going to win the CL with him in charge
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Re: WENGER OUT

Postby EliteKiller » Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:17 am

Angelito wrote: If we hadn't moved to the Emirates and utilized our resources in strengthening, we would have won the UCL - whether in 2006, 2007, or 2008 - pure guesswork, the fact we haven't won it any season under Wonger says you're probably wrong

It's convenient to apply revisionism when it comes to Wenger. Nothing changes the fact that the man was way ahead of the game in his initial years at Arsenal. It doesn't help that Arsenal administration since David Dein left has been clueless. It's become "cool" to shit on Wenger's accomplishments at Arsenal. That is as farther from the truth as anything. - again that's just your opinion, if he was 'way ahead of the game' why so few major trophies? compare Arsenal to Barca when they were 'way ahead of the game' ... they won everything, we didn't

There is only ONE manager in PL history who has won the PL without buying it and it's one Arsene Wenger. Well, hello Gooners, we went an entire season unbeaten! revisionism at it's best, remember Leicester?

Fixed this - Arsenal are close to where Everton are today with Wenger, yes.

- Arsenal should have sacked Wenger during the summer of 2011, yes. if not 2009

Wenger was the best manager in the world at one point. A very brief moment in time, AF was better during there entire careers. all Wonger truly had was one Invincible season, was Ranieri 'the best manager in the world at one point'? .....


The whole revising of history to suit today's sensibility is in poor taste, so please stop doing it ...

Wonger he came, done well, lost his way, failed ..... harsh? but that's the short version of the facts, or do you still think it's revisionism?
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Re: WENGER OUT

Postby Zanatos3 » Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:53 am

https://www.90min.com/posts/6034705-low-emirates-stadium-attendance-figures-could-see-arsene-wenger-leave-club-amid-boardroom-concern

The spark is finally turning into a FIRE!!!

with statistical ground FINALLY!!

HEADLINE - "Low Emirates Stadium Attendance Figures Could See Arsene Wenger Leave Club Amid Boardroom Concern "

CONTINUE TO RATTLE THE CAGES!!! :arsenal3:

the boards worried, starting to smell the smoke from the fire spreading to their bank accounts!
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Re: WENGER OUT

Postby Phil71 » Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:52 am

Zanatos3 wrote:https://www.90min.com/posts/6034705-low-emirates-stadium-attendance-figures-could-see-arsene-wenger-leave-club-amid-boardroom-concern

The spark is finally turning into a FIRE!!!

with statistical ground FINALLY!!

HEADLINE - "Low Emirates Stadium Attendance Figures Could See Arsene Wenger Leave Club Amid Boardroom Concern "

CONTINUE TO RATTLE THE CAGES!!! :arsenal3:

the boards worried, starting to smell the smoke from the fire spreading to their bank accounts!


Not just the attendances either.

We lost about £40+m by skipping the CL this season.

I'm sure there are other, hidden losses too that are related to sponsorship deals. Don't qualify for the CL and it goes down by x. etc.
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