Viktor Gyökeres (14)

[theHotHead]

It's perhaps bad to say he' a flop, but then we're not seeing him contribute much.
He should be given the rest of the season and next season, and if he's not scoring, he has to go.

Again, your comment ignores the problem like all the other comments like it. Its all well and good saying he needs to score, create some damn chances for him then, play to his strengths. All the imagination in the world won't create chances, we need the likes of Odegaard, Eze, Rice, Saka, Trossard and Martinelli to give him sensible passes on the pitch. At the moment he is getting diddly squat.

And before some knobber tells me he needs to get more involved, stop the foolishness. You wouldn't buy David Beckham then tell him to stop crossing the ball !

we create plenty of chances every game. Is it really not his fault at all?

We create plenty of chances for Saka and Martinelli and Trossard ! How many are created for Gyokeres ?

Gyokeres Premier League xG 6.39, scored 5
Saka xG 5.38, scored 4
Trossard xG 4.01, scored 5
Martinelli xG 2.01, scored 1
Madueke xG 0.66, scored 0
Jesus xG 0.48, scored 1

Where are all these missed Gyokeres chances ?? He gets minimal chances, I don't remember a big chance he has had.

[Marsbar100]

Top strikers make things happen

[elkanofan]

It's perhaps bad to say he' a flop, but then we're not seeing him contribute much.
He should be given the rest of the season and next season, and if he's not scoring, he has to go.

Again, your comment ignores the problem like all the other comments like it. Its all well and good saying he needs to score, create some damn chances for him then, play to his strengths. All the imagination in the world won't create chances, we need the likes of Odegaard, Eze, Rice, Saka, Trossard and Martinelli to give him sensible passes on the pitch. At the moment he is getting diddly squat.

And before some knobber tells me he needs to get more involved, stop the foolishness. You wouldn't buy David Beckham then tell him to stop crossing the ball !

we create plenty of chances every game. Is it really not his fault at all?

Its copium like this:

https://youtu.be/7b0AfzqZgDI?si=eSnOUU5ddLOrMloU

I like Troopz buts hes put years into backing Victor to be the kiler we need and cant quite cope with what hes seeing. He has nothing to come back at Saeed with.

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[Highbury Hillbilly]

Top strikers make things happen

Set pieces make things happen. Gabriel is top scorer (or thereabouts) for a reason. A pure CF has no role in this squad. Neither does a CAM apparently.

[Marsbar100]

Top strikers make things happen

Set pieces make things happen. Gabriel is top scorer (or thereabouts) for a reason. A pure CF has no role in this squad. Neither does a CAM apparently.

Merino done more damage as a cf

[elkanofan]

Elko, nah its not that deep bro. A few things to think about, the guy is a regular national team footballer who has scored at a rate of a goal every 2 games at international level. That is the defacto rate of a "good" striker in anyone's book. So this bullying the Portuguese League or whatever argument cuts no ice, clearly Gyokeres is not a Championship level striker as people have made out.

That Pukki bredda hit the Prem with Norwich after banging in goals in the Championship, his strike rate for Finland 3.x per game, which is the strike rate of an average striker at international level. Point is, you don't score 1 in 2 at international level if you are not good
Ollie Watkins, 3.x goals per game for England.

Now, you might argue that the Primera Liga is easy, but look at the goals he scored for Sporting, you can see what his game is, you bought him on the strength of his exploits for club and country. He is doing what he knows best, in Sporting the team knew how to play to his strengths and they did - hence why he scored so many goals.

Tippy tappy football is bollox, it doesn't suit the team, we have gone backwards since we started playing it. To hear nonsense from people who now claim Jesus and Havertz are the chosen ones is hilarious. Been there, done that, won f**k all.

So what hes scored a few goals in qualifiers for Sweden, not even the EUROS or World Cup. Qualifiers vs mostly again 4th, 5th rate teams. Every goal he's score vs a decent team hes running into open space infront of him on the counter. You just undermining yourself saying this. This does not prove he is world class. It actually just proves my point he's a very good striker. But he's very basic and flawed right now if we are talking about the highest level.

I think he's better than Championship level, i wont give up on him yet. I'm not even saying like others hes a dud. It's a case where i knew this poor form he's shown so far was a real possibility due to only proving himself vs substandard opposition. I see why, you have to open your eyes and take off your rose tinted specticles. He isnt that good yet, he's been overhyped becyse football has been in the dark ages for so long now a guy of his basic quality can kill it in Portugal.

This so called tippy tappy football has us 6 points clear top of the EPL, Top of the UCL conceading just 1 goal and still in all the cups. But we are still moaning. It's like we want to go back to the Wenger days drawing 4-4 and getting mashed up in big games 3-0 or something.

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Why do people make these tired arguments, they are totally flawed.

So what hes scored a few goals in qualifiers for Sweden, not even the EUROS or World Cup. Qualifiers vs mostly again 4th, 5th rate teams.

They are the same 4th and 5th rate teams EVERY nation plays against, Haaland plays them, Isak also plays them, its a level playing field. So-called better striker than him should have a field day then, against these teams. The same silly argument was made about the Chances Created stat suiting Ozil and making him look better, the same bloody metric applied in exactly the same way to every player in the league. Its a nonsense argument. If it was so easy to get a goal every other game at international level, most players would have done it !

I never once said the player is world class, my argument is and has always been, you don't score the number of goals he has scored for Sporting and Sweden if a) you have poor technique and b) you don't know how to score goals. Its clear this is true, so for me its a case of replicating the environment he needs to tap into his obvious goal-scoring talent. Nothing outrageous said there. He is basic, but thats just what we need, we need meat and 2 veg, we don't need redcurrant and blackcurrant jus, with a petit pois reduction, sitting on a bed of shiitake mushrooms, cooked in a truffle and pear sauce.

The difference between Isak/Haaland and Gyokeres is they have proven themselves in top leagues & the EPL so their off the ball movement is much better than Gyokeres. How many times do we have to mention his runs are poor, he's too static and flat footed in the box to make himself available to score. You keep ignoring this and repeating like a scratch record that we dont pass to him, which dosent wash anymore as shown since the Brighton game.

I don't have rose tinted anything, you would have to be a dimwit to think we are playing to his strengths, hell, all the pundits are saying the same thing 0- that we need to find a way to get the ball to Gyokeres i.e. create more. We have seen with our own eyes how creatively shit we are, every match day thread its the same comments. So while we don't play to his strengths I don't care how bad he is, I won't criticise because thats plain dumb.

This so called tippy tappy football has us 6 points clear top of the EPL, Top of the UCL conceading just 1 goal and still in all the cups

The only reason we are top is because we have the best squad in a one horse race - turned into a 2 horse race because we went through a period of utter shitness which allowed Villa and City to close the gap. I am under no illusion that we are top due to our magnificent brand of football LOL. The same brand of football half the forum seem to fall asleep watching. Again, check the match day threads if you think I am lying.

Football has been shit for a very long time. Ive made two threads on this since 2011! But all of a sudden people are now bending over backwards to downplay us being top of the League, top of the UCL and still in all the cups. So when City have won the league in the past in similar fashion, winning by default due to everyone being crap like 2020/21 that dosen't count as football being shit because the media love Pep and City's criminal owners pay off the media to be positive at all times and not mention the blatsnt cheating 115 charges their top lawyers have delayed and exploited their way out of conviction?

Not to metion Liverpool last year with crap like Nunez and that boring team in 2019/20 even their own fans got sick of and lost their so called unbeaten record vs Lowly watford. But no, we need this Arsenal negativity to continue.

Too many Arsenal fans are still suffering from PTSD of us just missing out 2 of the last 3 years, even if at least one of those seasons we overachieved like crazy.

I guarantee like under Wenger if we played more attractive football but lost more games and were behind City & Villa the negativity would be 5x as bad. Now we can defend but thats not good enough.

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[elkanofan]

Top strikers make things happen

Set pieces make things happen. Gabriel is top scorer (or thereabouts) for a reason. A pure CF has no role in this squad. Neither does a CAM apparently.

This is what i mean. This bullshit. You didn't awnser him properly, instead just sidetracked with a strawman response.

There is nothing stopping Victor succeding here bar himself improving off the ball and working on his finesee. Hence why ive been said which Ray Parlour agrees thst he need a pre season to work on this.

Nketiah is no world class player at all but did well when called apon by Arteta. Did his most but isnt the quality we need to be elite.

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[Highbury Hillbilly]

Top strikers make things happen

Set pieces make things happen. Gabriel is top scorer (or thereabouts) for a reason. A pure CF has no role in this squad. Neither does a CAM apparently.

This is what i mean. This bullshit. You didn't awnser him properly, instead just sidetracked with a strawman response.

There is nothing stopping Victor succeding here bar himself improving off the ball and working on his finesee. Hence why ive been said which Ray Parlour agrees thst he need a pre season to work on this.

Nketiah is no world class player at all but did well when called apon by Arteta. Did his most but isnt the quality we need to be elite.

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Why sign a proven goalscorer and not pair him with a CAM (Eze) who can play through the middle? We are still spamming cutbacks and low crosses like we always have.

Put Gyokeres into any other PL squad and he scores. We're the only top team whose CFs have never managed more than 13 goals w/pens, and even that only happened in a 91-goal season.

[alexis2015finalgoal]

It's perhaps bad to say he' a flop, but then we're not seeing him contribute much.
He should be given the rest of the season and next season, and if he's not scoring, he has to go.

Again, your comment ignores the problem like all the other comments like it. Its all well and good saying he needs to score, create some damn chances for him then, play to his strengths. All the imagination in the world won't create chances, we need the likes of Odegaard, Eze, Rice, Saka, Trossard and Martinelli to give him sensible passes on the pitch. At the moment he is getting diddly squat.

And before some knobber tells me he needs to get more involved, stop the foolishness. You wouldn't buy David Beckham then tell him to stop crossing the ball !

we create plenty of chances every game. Is it really not his fault at all?

Its copium like this:

https://youtu.be/7b0AfzqZgDI?si=eSnOUU5ddLOrMloU

I like Troopz buts hes put years into backing Victor to be the kiler we need and cant quite cope with what hes seeing. He has nothing to come back at Saeed with.

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That Saeed cannot laugh since he was begging for Gyokeres before he got Sesko. Least he's happy that his Scamorim got sacked.

[theHotHead]

Top strikers make things happen

Set pieces make things happen. Gabriel is top scorer (or thereabouts) for a reason. A pure CF has no role in this squad. Neither does a CAM apparently.

This is what i mean. This bullshit. You didn't awnser him properly, instead just sidetracked with a strawman response.

There is nothing stopping Victor succeding here bar himself improving off the ball and working on his finesee. Hence why ive been said which Ray Parlour agrees thst he need a pre season to work on this.

Nketiah is no world class player at all but did well when called apon by Arteta. Did his most but isnt the quality we need to be elite.

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Why sign a proven goalscorer and not pair him with a CAM (Eze) who can play through the middle? We are still spamming cutbacks and low crosses like we always have.

Put Gyokeres into any other PL squad and he scores. We're the only top team whose CFs have never managed more than 13 goals w/pens, and even that only happened in a 91-goal season.

I don't understand why people cannot see this, why they do not understand this. It is literally Football Manager mentality, buy a good player, shoehorn him in the team, hope it works.

This is NOT Football Manager, this is real life. You put players in a system, if they don't fit the system you ship them out and you bring in players that fit that system. You most certainly don't buy a player not suited to your system unless you plan to tweak the system to make it work. We have seen a tweak of the system in 2 back to back games where we were in attack mode, we looked phenomenal all round, Gyokeres did not look like a fish out of water. We won those games, now we have gone back to slow slow slow pass pass pass football and we are struggling to win.

[elkanofan]

Top strikers make things happen

Set pieces make things happen. Gabriel is top scorer (or thereabouts) for a reason. A pure CF has no role in this squad. Neither does a CAM apparently.

This is what i mean. This bullshit. You didn't awnser him properly, instead just sidetracked with a strawman response.

There is nothing stopping Victor succeding here bar himself improving off the ball and working on his finesee. Hence why ive been said which Ray Parlour agrees thst he need a pre season to work on this.

Nketiah is no world class player at all but did well when called apon by Arteta. Did his most but isnt the quality we need to be elite.

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Why sign a proven goalscorer and not pair him with a CAM (Eze) who can play through the middle? We are still spamming cutbacks and low crosses like we always have.

Put Gyokeres into any other PL squad and he scores. We're the only top team whose CFs have never managed more than 13 goals w/pens, and even that only happened in a 91-goal season.

Eze is my favorite player. If you knew anything about Eze and his career you would know this is literally the first time he's been in a big team that plays genuine possesion football. Palace especially last year but for many years under Hodgson played counter attacking underdog football and florished as a final 3rd attacker.

Eze who has for me more pace, power and magic than Odegaard but lacks the abillity dictate games in deeper areas. He's not used to everyone yet and isnt used to this role. Like I've been saying with Victor these are things you develop like Zubimendi did at the start of pre season then over time it develops further as you learn your teammates. This is why i still see Eze best position is to do what Trossard does, since Trossard and Eze are the exact same style player, just i believe Eze has a better pass on him.

Eze scoring a hat trick vs Spurs wasant due to him drominating the midfield, it was due to him playing like an attacker, staying in the final 3rd and exploiting all the space shitty Spurs gave him. Compare that to his poor game vs Chelsea which showcases his deficiancies in controlling the midfield like Enzo did in that game.

Eze will take time although i see hes a much better player than Victor and will find his place here. But no i see all this Artets out negativity bullshit thrown around and are using him as a stick to beat their agenda rather than have any balanced perspective.

Victor would be better suited maybe to teams like Bournemouth and Brentford who play against teams who go at them and leave much more space for him to run the channels. Evem Man f***ing City parked the bus against us do you need more abillity off the ball to play as a striker for us and score. Something Victor needs to work on, thats it. But your anti manager agenda PTSD will continue.

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[theHotHead]

Elko, ok, lets address why the likes of Isak produces average numbers for Sweden but good numbers for Newcastle, even though he is playing the same 4th and 5th tier teams that Gyokeres is, why are Isak's numbers so inferior??

The answer is simple and I am pretty sure you know it but just refuse to admit it - when Isak plays for the national team they don't play him the same way that he played at Newcastle. He doesn't all of a sudden forget how to score goals against shit teams ! Its the most obvious reason.

Likewise, the most obvious reason why Gyokeres scores so many for the national team and so many for Sporting isn't easy opposition as you and others claim, its those teams playing to his strengths. Its the only answer that leaves no holes and gaps and applies perfectly to Isak, to Gyokeres and to everyone that has ever been involved in this discussion. Its foolproof.

[theHotHead]

Top strikers make things happen

Set pieces make things happen. Gabriel is top scorer (or thereabouts) for a reason. A pure CF has no role in this squad. Neither does a CAM apparently.

This is what i mean. This bullshit. You didn't awnser him properly, instead just sidetracked with a strawman response.

There is nothing stopping Victor succeding here bar himself improving off the ball and working on his finesee. Hence why ive been said which Ray Parlour agrees thst he need a pre season to work on this.

Nketiah is no world class player at all but did well when called apon by Arteta. Did his most but isnt the quality we need to be elite.

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Why sign a proven goalscorer and not pair him with a CAM (Eze) who can play through the middle? We are still spamming cutbacks and low crosses like we always have.

Put Gyokeres into any other PL squad and he scores. We're the only top team whose CFs have never managed more than 13 goals w/pens, and even that only happened in a 91-goal season.

Eze is my favorite player. If you knew anything about Eze and his career you would know this is literally the first time he's been in a big team that plays genuine possesion football. Palace especially last year but for many years under Hodgson played counter attacking underdog football and florished as a final 3rd attacker.

Eze who has for me more pace, power and magic than Odegaard but lacks the abillity dictate games in deeper areas. He's not used to everyone yet and isnt used to this role. Like I've been saying with Victor these are things you develop like Zubimendi did at the start of pre season then over time it develops further as you learn your teammates. This is why i still see Eze best position is to do what Trossard does, since Trossard and Eze are the exact same style player, just i believe Eze has a better pass on him.

Eze scoring a hat trick vs Spurs wasant due to him drominating the midfield, it was due to him playing like an attacker, staying in the final 3rd and exploiting all the space shitty Spurs gave him. Compare that to his poor game vs Chelsea which showcases his deficiancies in controlling the midfield like Enzo did in that game.

Eze will take time although i see hes a much better player than Victor and will find his place here. But no i see all this Artets out negativity bullshit thrown around and are using him as a stick to beat their agenda rather than have any balanced perspective.

Victor would be better suited maybe to teams like Bournemouth and Brentford who play against teams who go at them and leave much more space for him to run the channels. Evem Man f***ing City parked the bus against us do you need more abillity off the ball to play as a striker for us and score. Something Victor needs to work on, thats it. But your anti manager agenda PTSD will continue.

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You don't see the double standards of your post?? Acknowledging for Eze, your favourite player that he is not suited to the current system and admitting it will take time for him to find his space but the same courtesy you don't afford to Gyokeres lol.

[Ach]

Do we start Gyokeres today? It's a pub side. A confidence boost. Rest midweek

[Nuggets]

Do we start Gyokeres today? It's a pub side. A confidence boost. Rest midweek

Perhaps it's the boost he needs to put a few in the net. I hope he starts.