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Re: Summer Transfer Window

Postby firfi » Tue Jul 09, 2024 11:26 pm

Gordon Bennit wrote:Some of the fees our rivals are getting for their cast offs are making me hopeful and thoroughly defeated at the same time. If Man City get £20 million for Liam Delap and Utd get £28 million for totally damaged goods in Greenwood, in the same way that Liverpool somehow got £30 million for Brewster, then we need to be making sure we get decent returns for whomever we sell. And add ons.

I know it's not Football Manager but with the way the North West seems to be able to virtually print money, it may as well be.



Honestly that deal for Greenwood feels super fishy.Feels like something is not right with that transfer.31mil euro + 50% sell on clause is something unheard off.To me it sounds like some FFP balancing and Man United will get just the 50% sell on clause and the 31 is for FPP reasons.
If everything is true that would make him one of the biggest transfers of the summer considering 50% sell on clause is like at least 15-20mil on top of that.

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Re: Summer Transfer Window

Postby theHotHead » Wed Jul 10, 2024 6:56 am

jayramfootball wrote:
We all know we were shite under Areta until the point he gave up on the shower of shit in the squad.
We all wanted him sacked.

It's totally irrelevant to Emery's performance - which was shite and left our club in a mess.

Which of Emery's term or Arteta's first 12 months or so was the most shite is one of the most pointless conversations imaginable, now that Arteta (amongst others) have revitalised our club.

Oh really ???

So why is it that you and others always like to tell everyone how shit Emery was but never seem to be able to do the same and say how shit Arteta was - considering Arteta was considerably worse with a better squad - than Emery ?!!
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Re: Summer Transfer Window

Postby theHotHead » Wed Jul 10, 2024 7:13 am

ag6789 wrote:Emery's last few months at Arsenal: Last 17 games:
6wins, 5 draws and 6 defeats. 23goals scored and 26 conceded.
During his final season,he used more players (35) and more half time substitution (32players) than any other manager in PL. His erosion of authority led him to make alarming number of changes and created an unsettling atmosphere in the dressing room.
He dismantled Wenger' s squad by letting go experienced players like Montreal, Ramsey, Mikhterean, Koscielny and tried to replace them with ageing defenders like Luiz, Papa and greenhorns in the midfield like Guandouzi,Willock, Ceballos and Denis Suarez. Only competent midfielders were Xhahka and Torreira.
His unsound tactics led to heavy defeats against Liverpool and ManCity.
All these happenings within last 3-4 months of his tenure led to his removal as head coach from Arsenal.


You brought up Emery's last 17 matches as if its a stick to beat him with. Fine, if thats the case - this is Arteta's first 17 matches in his first full season:
Won 7, Draw 2, Lost 8, 20 goals for, 19 goals against. Pts 23. Emery got 22 points. The same stick you are using to beat Emery you better use it to beat Arteta who had a better squad and performed WORSE than Emery.

However way you look at it Arteta was worse because allied with the shit results came the worst performances I have ever seen !!! Literally the only good thing to come from Arteta's tenure at that point was the lack of heavy defeats, but so what !

I don't care that he made changes at half time, prime Maureen used to do the same all the time, thats fantastic management, you see something is not working, you fix it quickly.

Simply put, if you are going to throw scorn on Emery you better do the same with interest to Arteta ! Otherwise you are a biased, hypocrite riddled with double standards and probably have a poster of Arteta on your bedroom wall and a wank rag close by .......
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Re: Summer Transfer Window

Postby theHotHead » Wed Jul 10, 2024 7:16 am

Maiso wrote:
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firfi wrote:Really like how everyone bashes on Arteta and before it was on Emery and before that it was on Wenger and out of the 3 managers the only failure was Emery and big time at that he was clueless.

Meanwhile we've had our best season since 2005-06 and thats close to 20 years ago.We've achieved the second highest points tally the club has achieved and the most goals scored in a season.
Thats not a trophy ,but it as close as it gets without getting it.
Let's not forget how we we're 1 draw away from winning the league and Newcastle's goal where the ball was out of play and then there was foul against Gabriel and stuff like that and on top of everything 92nd min Liverpool should've had penalty in 20 out of 20 cases vs City and countless times the referees helped them.

We failed in the CL ,but we need lots of exp for that tournament there is a reason RM won it so many times and its due to experience.

Honestly everyone wants a striker ,but there isnt one on the market thats good enough.We need someone like Nico Williams ,but kinda doubt we're gonna get him considering he wants Barca and is currently on some crazy salary in the ball park of 260k pw.

You are determined to get the idiot of the month title aren't you !!!

How was Emery a failure ?

He finished 5th in his first full season, a point from 4th, Arteta finished 8th in his first full season. Emery knocked Arsenal out of the Europa League across 2 legs, he has faced Emery 5 times, won once, drawn once and lost 3 times !!! Arteta should've been sacked in December 2020 for being a far bigger dufus than Emery ever was !

Arteta won his FA Cup with Emery's players ... he has not won zip with his own players, better players.

Thank Fck that this was the minority view back then and still remains the ultimate minority view today..
The club for once showed a bit of intelligence when they did not give into the minority asking for Arteta to be sacked in 2020. And my estimation of The Kroenke’s / Edu went up another notch in 2021/22 when we bottled 4th place Spurs. I remember that abysmal run in April 2022 where we lost three game on the bounce (Palace, Brighton and Southampton). Then the Doomers were once again out fantasising about Arteta being sacked. But the club handed him a brand new contract in that same April at the back of those 3 losses. In that moment too the club showed maturity, intelligence and competence by offering Arteta a new contract (IMO).

So my estimation for The Kroenke’s and Edu kept growing after those 2 tough episodes (End of 2020 and that 2021/22 season). They went with their logic, reasoning capacity and intellectualism instead of giving into emotions and sensationalism.

I will put you in the bin of "Loser-types". Most Arsenal fans wanted him sacked, not sure where you get your info from.
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Re: Summer Transfer Window

Postby Nuggets » Wed Jul 10, 2024 7:16 am

theHotHead wrote:
ag6789 wrote:Emery's last few months at Arsenal: Last 17 games:
6wins, 5 draws and 6 defeats. 23goals scored and 26 conceded.
During his final season,he used more players (35) and more half time substitution (32players) than any other manager in PL. His erosion of authority led him to make alarming number of changes and created an unsettling atmosphere in the dressing room.
He dismantled Wenger' s squad by letting go experienced players like Montreal, Ramsey, Mikhterean, Koscielny and tried to replace them with ageing defenders like Luiz, Papa and greenhorns in the midfield like Guandouzi,Willock, Ceballos and Denis Suarez. Only competent midfielders were Xhahka and Torreira.
His unsound tactics led to heavy defeats against Liverpool and ManCity.
All these happenings within last 3-4 months of his tenure led to his removal as head coach from Arsenal.


You brought up Emery's last 17 matches as if its a stick to beat him with. Fine, if thats the case - this is Arteta's first 17 matches in his first full season:
Won 7, Draw 2, Lost 8, 20 goals for, 19 goals against. Pts 23. Emery got 22 points. The same stick you are using to beat Emery you better use it to beat Arteta who had a better squad and performed WORSE than Emery.

However way you look at it Arteta was worse because allied with the shit results came the worst performances I have ever seen !!! Literally the only good thing to come from Arteta's tenure at that point was the lack of heavy defeats, but so what !

I don't care that he made changes at half time, prime Maureen used to do the same all the time, thats fantastic management, you see something is not working, you fix it quickly.

Simply put, if you are going to throw scorn on Emery you better do the same with interest to Arteta ! Otherwise you are a biased, hypocrite riddled with double standards and probably have a poster of Arteta on your bedroom wall nd a wank rag close by .......

:rofll: :rofll: :clap: Good post. :clap:
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Re: Summer Transfer Window

Postby theHotHead » Wed Jul 10, 2024 7:17 am

firfi wrote:
Ach wrote:
firfi wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
Ach wrote:There have been plenty of occasions Arteta should've been sacked but we have a shit board for a reason



Nah - never been a consideration for anyone serious since 21.
He's long since proven his doubters wrong.
The dredges of unserious people remain.



Btw if he finishes outside top3 and fails in 1/8 finals in the CL he should be sacked on the spot.

He should but won't be. Worst board in the business. Edu is regularly mocked by the clubs own fans ffs

Another season of failure and the fans patience will be very thin. He's survived many sackable incidents so far. Not sure how many he has left.

At least one a season



Edu is doing one of the best jobs in the business.Top2 in the league for sure , no idea why he gets so much mockery by the fans.

Because he is only good at half of his job, thats why
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Re: Summer Transfer Window

Postby Nuggets » Wed Jul 10, 2024 7:19 am

theHotHead wrote:
firfi wrote:
Ach wrote:
firfi wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
Ach wrote:There have been plenty of occasions Arteta should've been sacked but we have a shit board for a reason



Nah - never been a consideration for anyone serious since 21.
He's long since proven his doubters wrong.
The dredges of unserious people remain.



Btw if he finishes outside top3 and fails in 1/8 finals in the CL he should be sacked on the spot.

He should but won't be. Worst board in the business. Edu is regularly mocked by the clubs own fans ffs

Another season of failure and the fans patience will be very thin. He's survived many sackable incidents so far. Not sure how many he has left.

At least one a season



Edu is doing one of the best jobs in the business.Top2 in the league for sure , no idea why he gets so much mockery by the fans.

Because he is only good at half of his job, thats why


He is good at getting rid of players for nowt and paying players wages when they leave the club. He is a salesman's dream.
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Re: Summer Transfer Window

Postby jayramfootball » Wed Jul 10, 2024 8:18 am

theHotHead wrote:
ag6789 wrote:Emery's last few months at Arsenal: Last 17 games:
6wins, 5 draws and 6 defeats. 23goals scored and 26 conceded.
During his final season,he used more players (35) and more half time substitution (32players) than any other manager in PL. His erosion of authority led him to make alarming number of changes and created an unsettling atmosphere in the dressing room.
He dismantled Wenger' s squad by letting go experienced players like Montreal, Ramsey, Mikhterean, Koscielny and tried to replace them with ageing defenders like Luiz, Papa and greenhorns in the midfield like Guandouzi,Willock, Ceballos and Denis Suarez. Only competent midfielders were Xhahka and Torreira.
His unsound tactics led to heavy defeats against Liverpool and ManCity.
All these happenings within last 3-4 months of his tenure led to his removal as head coach from Arsenal.


You brought up Emery's last 17 matches as if its a stick to beat him with. Fine, if thats the case - this is Arteta's first 17 matches in his first full season:
Won 7, Draw 2, Lost 8, 20 goals for, 19 goals against. Pts 23. Emery got 22 points. The same stick you are using to beat Emery you better use it to beat Arteta who had a better squad and performed WORSE than Emery.

However way you look at it Arteta was worse because allied with the shit results came the worst performances I have ever seen !!! Literally the only good thing to come from Arteta's tenure at that point was the lack of heavy defeats, but so what !

I don't care that he made changes at half time, prime Maureen used to do the same all the time, thats fantastic management, you see something is not working, you fix it quickly.

Simply put, if you are going to throw scorn on Emery you better do the same with interest to Arteta ! Otherwise you are a biased, hypocrite riddled with double standards and probably have a poster of Arteta on your bedroom wall and a wank rag close by .......


Why are you continuing to compare Emery and Arteta in a debate on whether Emery was a failure at Arsenal?
Emery was a failure at Arsenal.
It's in the books.

By all reasonable accounts Arteta is proving to be a success at Arsenal.
He'll need to close it out over the next couple of years, for sure, but comparisons between Emery's disaster and Arteta's stint at the club are ludicrous.
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Re: Summer Transfer Window

Postby alexafc12 » Wed Jul 10, 2024 2:29 pm

Edu offered £50k (in installments) for Wolves keeper David Bentley.

Both Ramsdale and Raya make double that amount in a week.

Bid rejected and Wolves said to have increased their original asking price.
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Re: Summer Transfer Window

Postby alexafc12 » Wed Jul 10, 2024 2:31 pm

Nuno Tavares loan agreed

Obligation to buy for £6m

Has Edu ever sold a player he signed for a profit ?
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Re: Summer Transfer Window

Postby Zenith » Wed Jul 10, 2024 2:48 pm

alexafc12 wrote:Nuno Tavares loan agreed

Obligation to buy for £6m

Has Edu ever sold a player he signed for a profit ?

If we ignore wages/inflation:

• Auston Trusty signed for £1.5, sold for £5m
• Matt Turner bought £5.7m, sold for £10m (incl. add-ons)
• Nuno Tavares bought for €8m, sold for roughgly the same amount. (Small profit if we include the £1.5m loan fee we received from Forest.)

Unless I'm missing someone, that's about it.
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Re: Summer Transfer Window

Postby TedLasso » Wed Jul 10, 2024 2:59 pm

Zenith wrote:
alexafc12 wrote:Nuno Tavares loan agreed

Obligation to buy for £6m

Has Edu ever sold a player he signed for a profit ?

If we ignore wages/inflation:

• Auston Trusty signed for £1.5, sold for £5m
• Matt Turner bought £5.7m, sold for £10m (incl. add-ons)
• Nuno Tavares bought for €8m, sold for roughly the same amount. (Small profit if we include the £1.5m loan fee we received from Forest.)

Unless I'm missing someone, that's about it.


I believe there's a sell on clause with Nuno's as well. Plus, the pure profit from Hutchinson's move to Ipswich in his sell on clause.
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Re: Summer Transfer Window

Postby Zenith » Wed Jul 10, 2024 3:42 pm

TedLasso wrote:
Zenith wrote:
alexafc12 wrote:Nuno Tavares loan agreed

Obligation to buy for £6m

Has Edu ever sold a player he signed for a profit ?

If we ignore wages/inflation:

• Auston Trusty signed for £1.5, sold for £5m
• Matt Turner bought £5.7m, sold for £10m (incl. add-ons)
• Nuno Tavares bought for €8m, sold for roughly the same amount. (Small profit if we include the £1.5m loan fee we received from Forest.)

Unless I'm missing someone, that's about it.


I believe there's a sell on clause with Nuno's as well. Plus, the pure profit from Hutchinson's move to Ipswich in his sell on clause.

You're right! Biereth also has a sell-on clause if reports are to be believed. He joined on a free transfer from Fulham's academy back in 2021 and was recently sold for £4m (incl. add-ons).
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Re: Summer Transfer Window

Postby Maiso » Wed Jul 10, 2024 3:47 pm

Matteo Guendouzi – Released by Marseille to Lazio (loan made permanent).

Nicolas Pepe – released by Trabzonspor.

Shkodran Mustafi – retired.

Couldn’t we have put in little cheeky bids?
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Re: Summer Transfer Window

Postby firfi » Wed Jul 10, 2024 3:57 pm

Maiso wrote:Matteo Guendouzi – Released by Marseille to Lazio (loan made permanent).

Nicolas Pepe – released by Trabzonspor.

Shkodran Mustafi – retired.

Couldn’t we have put in little cheeky bids?


When u see how their careers panned out do u really think we could've made any money ouf ot them considering their salaries.
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