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Re: Comparison to invincibles

Postby theHotHead » Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:06 am

Arsenal Tone wrote:Lehmann - Raya
Lauren - White
Campbell - Saliba
Toure - Gabriel
Cole - Timber
Ljungberg - Saka
Gilberto - Partey
Vieira - Rice
Pires - Martinelli
Henry - Havertz
Bergkamp - Odegaard

Keown - Tomiyasu
Cygan – Kiwior
Parlour - Zinchenko
Edu - Jorginho
Reyes - F.Vieira
Kanu - Jesus
Wiltord - Trossard

Clichy - Nelson
Aliadiere - Nketiah
Bentley - Smith Rowe
Hoyte - Elneny

I actually reckon the back four is better now. Front two are miles off though!

My team would be:

Lehmann > Raya. Raya has the distribution but thats about it. Lehmann wins
Lauren > White. Lauren is a better natural RB than White, as good defensiverly but better offensively, especially dribbling
Saliba > Toure. Toure played as a RCB, Saliba is better than Toure.
Campbell > Gabriel. This one isn't even a competition Campbell all day.
Cole vs Timber. I believe Timber will be totally dominant at ful back, moreso than Cole, so I am calling it a draw until I see more from him.
Saka > Ljungberg. Different players/roles, Saka is more offensive, i give Saka the very slight edge.
Gilberto vs Partey. I already had this discussion, both on form I give the slight edge to Partey but due to injuries I call a draw.
Vieira > Rice. At this stage I have to give the edge to Vieira. Rice has better discipine but Vieira's all round dominance of opponents wins
Pires > Martinelli. Not even close.
Henry > Havertz. Not even close.
Bergkamp > Odegaard. Not close.

Tomiyasu > Keown. Only hindrance here for Tomi is fitness
Kiwior > Cygan. Kiwior can play ball
Parlour > Zinchenko. Zinchenko is awful defensively, Parlour wasn't
Edu > Jorginho. Edu used to be one of my favourite players. More dominant than Jorginho
Reyes > Vieira. Not even close.
Kanu > Jesus. Not close
Trossard > Wiltord. Wiltord never came close to repeating his form in France.
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Re: Comparison to invincibles

Postby Ach » Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:17 am

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Ach wrote:
Arsenal Tone wrote:Gilberto vs Petit is a good debate, win a title and Rice is in that discussion too.

Gilberto


He was a very underrated player.

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Re: Comparison to invincibles

Postby Angelito » Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:52 am

ag6789 wrote:Arsenal Eleven since Wenger:
Seaman
White Adams Keown Cole
Odegaard Vieira Bergkamp
Saka Henry Pires
Sub: Lehmann, Campbell, Saliba, Sagna, Clichy, Fabregas, Sanchez, RVP, Gilberto


Seaman
Sagna - Adams - Campbell - Cole
Vieira - Gilberto
Ljungberg - Bergkamp - Pires
Henry


Subs: Lehmann, Lauren, Saliba, Monreal, Petit, Fabregas, Rosicky, Ozil, Alexis, Overmars, van Persie

Freddie was a big game player. Cannot ignore that.
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Re: Comparison to invincibles

Postby Arsenal Tone » Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:53 am

Ach wrote:
Nuggets wrote:
Ach wrote:
Arsenal Tone wrote:Gilberto vs Petit is a good debate, win a title and Rice is in that discussion too.

Gilberto


He was a very underrated player.

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Agreed. Should be mentioned in the same breath as Makelele.
Raya/Ramsdale
White/Timber--Saliba/Tomiyasu--Gabriel/Kiwior--Calafiori/Zinchenko
Partey/Rice/Jorginho
Odegaard/Smith Rowe----Rice/???
Saka/Jesus-------------------Martinelli/Trossard
Havertz/???
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Re: Comparison to invincibles

Postby jayramfootball » Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:25 am

Arsenal Tone wrote:
Ach wrote:
Nuggets wrote:
Ach wrote:
Arsenal Tone wrote:Gilberto vs Petit is a good debate, win a title and Rice is in that discussion too.

Gilberto


He was a very underrated player.

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Agreed. Should be mentioned in the same breath as Makelele.


I think Petit / Vieira was the best partnership in midfield we've seen - shame Petit left early and of course refs at the time would send each off in rotation to limit the amount of time they played together.
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Re: Comparison to invincibles

Postby Ach » Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:32 pm

Arsenal Tone wrote:
Ach wrote:
Nuggets wrote:
Ach wrote:
Arsenal Tone wrote:Gilberto vs Petit is a good debate, win a title and Rice is in that discussion too.

Gilberto


He was a very underrated player.

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Agreed. Should be mentioned in the same breath as Makelele.

Better than Makelele
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Re: Comparison to invincibles

Postby Ach » Thu Apr 04, 2024 2:07 pm

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Re: Comparison to invincibles

Postby Arsenal Tone » Thu Apr 04, 2024 5:21 pm

Ach wrote:https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5LXTJQuPXW/?igsh=MWRyYzMyZXE4ZDN1OQ==
Any idea where I can see the full interview?
Raya/Ramsdale
White/Timber--Saliba/Tomiyasu--Gabriel/Kiwior--Calafiori/Zinchenko
Partey/Rice/Jorginho
Odegaard/Smith Rowe----Rice/???
Saka/Jesus-------------------Martinelli/Trossard
Havertz/???
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Re: Comparison to invincibles

Postby Ach » Thu Apr 04, 2024 6:20 pm

Arsenal Tone wrote:
Ach wrote:https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5LXTJQuPXW/?igsh=MWRyYzMyZXE4ZDN1OQ==
Any idea where I can see the full interview?

Viaplay

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Re: Comparison to invincibles

Postby greengoonerirl » Wed Apr 10, 2024 12:40 pm

Any comparison should now be ended, following last nights performance.

Light years apart.

the Invincibles would have murdered Bayern, not fallen apart.

Invincibles demonstrated mental strength, physical ability, utter professionalism across every player every game. CUrrent team were nowhere near their levels under those 3 areas last night.
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Re: Comparison to invincibles

Postby Arsenal Tone » Thu Sep 05, 2024 7:13 am

Lehmann - Raya

Lauren - White

Campbell - Saliba

Toure - Gabriel

Cole - Calafiori

Ljungberg - Saka

Gilberto - Partey

Vieira - Rice

Pires - Sterling

Henry - Havertz

Bergkamp - Odegaard


Keown - Timber

Cygan – Tomiyasu

Parlour - Jorginho

Edu - Merino

Reyes - Martinelli

Kanu - Jesus

Wiltord - Trossard


Clichy - Lewis-Skelly

Aliadiere - Nwaneri

Bentley - Zinchenko

Hoyte - Kiwior
Raya/Ramsdale
White/Timber--Saliba/Tomiyasu--Gabriel/Kiwior--Calafiori/Zinchenko
Partey/Rice/Jorginho
Odegaard/Smith Rowe----Rice/???
Saka/Jesus-------------------Martinelli/Trossard
Havertz/???
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Re: Comparison to invincibles

Postby Arsenal Tone » Thu Sep 05, 2024 7:14 am

^ have I missed anyone?
Raya/Ramsdale
White/Timber--Saliba/Tomiyasu--Gabriel/Kiwior--Calafiori/Zinchenko
Partey/Rice/Jorginho
Odegaard/Smith Rowe----Rice/???
Saka/Jesus-------------------Martinelli/Trossard
Havertz/???
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Re: Comparison to invincibles

Postby VCC » Thu Sep 05, 2024 7:36 am

Arsenal Tone wrote:^ have I missed anyone?

Only losses and Trophy's
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Re: Comparison to invincibles

Postby theHotHead » Thu Sep 05, 2024 11:13 am

ag6789 wrote:Arsenal Eleven since Wenger:
Seaman
White Adams Keown Cole
Odegaard Vieira Bergkamp
Saka Henry Pires
Sub: Lehmann, Campbell, Saliba, Sagna, Clichy, Fabregas, Sanchez, RVP, Gilberto

White over Sagna and Lauren???

I know its opinions but, thats pushing it.
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Re: Comparison to invincibles

Postby jayramfootball » Thu Sep 05, 2024 1:00 pm

theHotHead wrote:
ag6789 wrote:Arsenal Eleven since Wenger:
Seaman
White Adams Keown Cole
Odegaard Vieira Bergkamp
Saka Henry Pires
Sub: Lehmann, Campbell, Saliba, Sagna, Clichy, Fabregas, Sanchez, RVP, Gilberto

White over Sagna and Lauren???

I know its opinions but, thats pushing it.


Saka is the only current player that makes an Arsenal 11 since Wenger started, IMO.
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