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Re: 2022 Summer Transfer Window

Postby Rockape » Wed Jun 22, 2022 10:32 am

Reiss wrote:
ag6789 wrote:He needs proper players ,which he's slowly accumulating for a total football approach. He's following Pep/ Wenger model, and getting there slowly but surely.
Technical players all over the pitch.


Finally a rational post. Completely spot on.

You can't play free flowing, dynamic football without ballers in the team. City have Bernardo, Grealish, Foden, KDB, Mahrez.. Liverpool have Diaz, Salah, Bobby, Thiago, Jota, Nunez... players that are confident on the ball, very good technically and can play in the pocket.

We are severely lacking players like this and Arteta is quoted as acknowledging that. So I'm glad we're addressing the issue because in order to impose our own style of play and dictate games, we need those kind of players.

We got rid of a load of technical players over the years like Ramsey, Jack, Cazorla, Ozil, so we desperately need them.


I'm with HH here.....we need and we've always needed a steel spine. Players who will fight to the death if necessary. We do have some players now, who are a definite improvement on Wengers leftovers, and of course we need players with skillz too......its about balance.
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Re: 2022 Summer Transfer Window

Postby alexafc12 » Wed Jun 22, 2022 11:04 am

Ramsdale

Tomiyasu ---- White ---- Gabriel ---- Tierney

Partey ---- Odegaard ---- Xhaka

Saka ---- Jesus ---- Raphinha



Turner

Cedric ---- Saliba ---- Martinez ---- Tavares

Elneny ---- Smith Rowe ---- Sambi

Vieria ---- Nketiah ---- Martinelli
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Re: 2022 Summer Transfer Window

Postby CrimsonGunner11 » Wed Jun 22, 2022 11:21 am

alexafc12 wrote:
Ramsdale

Tomiyasu ---- White ---- Gabriel ---- Tierney

Partey ---- Odegaard ---- Xhaka

Saka ---- Jesus ---- Raphinha



Turner

Cedric ---- Saliba ---- Martinez ---- Tavares

Elneny ---- Smith Rowe ---- Sambi

Vieria ---- Nketiah ---- Martinelli


Seeing Xhaka still in the first eleven after all these years is triggering.

If this is not addressed by the end of this window, Arteta or whoever’s responsible should be sacked on the spot
Ramsdale
(Leno/Runarsson)
Tomiyasu White Gabriel Tierney
(Cedric/Niles) (Saliba/Clarke) (Holding/Mari) (Bellerin/Tavares)
Partey —- Xhaka
(Elneny/Azeez) --- (Torreira/Lokonga)
Saka ————— Odegaard ————— Martinelli
(Pepe/Omari) ————— (ESR/Matteo) ————— (Nelson/KTH)
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(Nketiah/Balogun)


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Re: 2022 Summer Transfer Window

Postby theHotHead » Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:27 pm

EliteKiller wrote:
theHotHead wrote:Nah, I don't think that front line destroys ours at all.

Kane scored twice as many goals as Jesus last season but he also played twice as many minutes ! Kane created a handful more goals.

Kulusevski came in mid-season and made an immediate impact, Raphina had to battle with relegation threatened Leeds all season. They ended up with similar goal contributions with Raphina having played over twice as many minutes, but my personal opinion, given the choice between the 2 players, I would choose Raphina all day.

Son is of course the more complete player, versus Saka, but teams have to double and triple up on Saka, they don't for Son. So while there can be no doubting Son's efficiency in front of goal Saka provides dangers of his own, so its not as one-sided as the numbers portray.

For the reasons above I don't think the Spurs front 3 destroys ours, I think it is much closer, Spurs of course lead though.


IF - we get all our forward targets - and IF - Jesus suddenly doubles his goal scoring numbers - and IF Raphina can also double his goal scoring numbers - and IF - another player (Saka) in our squad matches Son's numbers then you're right ... but that's a whole lot of IF's.

What happens IF Spurs sign a creative midfield player who increases their goal scoring numbers by 25% .... can we match that as well?

Spurs have arguably the best front three in the EPL, so let's not compare just GS but let's look at the whole EPL picture.

Liverpool and City over 90 goals a season, then you drop down to over 70 .... Chelsea, Spurs, Utd all around that level, we did it back in '19 but still finished only 5th. Scoring 70 goals is thus no guarantee of top four, especially when you still let in >50.

The HUGE differences are in GD. When you look at goal difference City / Liverpool +70 ..... then 3rd and 4th place +30 .... it's that overall GD number that normally matches with the top four.

Us last five years +23, +22, +8, +16, +13 ....... the balance of the team is just wrong, we are neither scoring enough, or stopping enough ... the focus keeps switching from defenders, to strikers, to defenders, and now back to strikers. The real issue is our failure to control midfield, until we properly address that all we are doing is tinkering .... we have been for the last five years.

You need a midfield where ALL your players are technically good AND very strong on the ball - if they don't have both those qualities they shouldn't be in the squad. Look at our rivals, do they carry weak midfield players?

FYI Spuds last five years GD - +38, +28, +14, +23, +29 .... Conte will aim at +40 GD, that's the number we need to match.

Jesus automatically doubles his scoring numbers when he doubles his game time to match Kane's. Halve Kane's game time and he scores as many as Jesus !

Raphina automatically increases his goal contributions not being in a relegation battle/not playing in a bottom of the table team.
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Re: 2022 Summer Transfer Window

Postby theHotHead » Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:20 pm

CrimsonGunner11 wrote:
Seeing Xhaka still in the first eleven after all these years is triggering.

If this is not addressed by the end of this window, Arteta or whoever’s responsible should be sacked on the spot

Been saying this for the longest time. Its a display of incompetence by the manager, every Arsenal manager
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Re: 2022 Summer Transfer Window

Postby EliteKiller » Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:24 pm

theHotHead wrote:
EliteKiller wrote:
theHotHead wrote:Nah, I don't think that front line destroys ours at all.

Kane scored twice as many goals as Jesus last season but he also played twice as many minutes ! Kane created a handful more goals.

Kulusevski came in mid-season and made an immediate impact, Raphina had to battle with relegation threatened Leeds all season. They ended up with similar goal contributions with Raphina having played over twice as many minutes, but my personal opinion, given the choice between the 2 players, I would choose Raphina all day.

Son is of course the more complete player, versus Saka, but teams have to double and triple up on Saka, they don't for Son. So while there can be no doubting Son's efficiency in front of goal Saka provides dangers of his own, so its not as one-sided as the numbers portray.

For the reasons above I don't think the Spurs front 3 destroys ours, I think it is much closer, Spurs of course lead though.


IF - we get all our forward targets - and IF - Jesus suddenly doubles his goal scoring numbers - and IF Raphina can also double his goal scoring numbers - and IF - another player (Saka) in our squad matches Son's numbers then you're right ... but that's a whole lot of IF's.

What happens IF Spurs sign a creative midfield player who increases their goal scoring numbers by 25% .... can we match that as well?

Spurs have arguably the best front three in the EPL, so let's not compare just GS but let's look at the whole EPL picture.

Liverpool and City over 90 goals a season, then you drop down to over 70 .... Chelsea, Spurs, Utd all around that level, we did it back in '19 but still finished only 5th. Scoring 70 goals is thus no guarantee of top four, especially when you still let in >50.

The HUGE differences are in GD. When you look at goal difference City / Liverpool +70 ..... then 3rd and 4th place +30 .... it's that overall GD number that normally matches with the top four.

Us last five years +23, +22, +8, +16, +13 ....... the balance of the team is just wrong, we are neither scoring enough, or stopping enough ... the focus keeps switching from defenders, to strikers, to defenders, and now back to strikers. The real issue is our failure to control midfield, until we properly address that all we are doing is tinkering .... we have been for the last five years.

You need a midfield where ALL your players are technically good AND very strong on the ball - if they don't have both those qualities they shouldn't be in the squad. Look at our rivals, do they carry weak midfield players?

FYI Spuds last five years GD - +38, +28, +14, +23, +29 .... Conte will aim at +40 GD, that's the number we need to match.

Jesus automatically doubles his scoring numbers when he doubles his game time to match Kane's. Halve Kane's game time and he scores as many as Jesus !

Raphina automatically increases his goal contributions not being in a relegation battle/not playing in a bottom of the table team.


Sorry, but what utter bollocks. Jesus got 4 in one game against relegated Watford ignore that and he got just 4 in 1800 minutes. Stats without some context are mostly drivel. Jesus played 1880 minutes for eight goals, ESR played 1922 for ten goals clearly by your logic ESR is the better striker. Eddie scored 5 in 825 minutes, by your logic that's 25 guaranteed next season if he plays every minute,

Why sign Raphinha with 11 goals when we can sign Pukki also with 11 goals in a far worse team, he would cost half the price - by your logic his goal contributions automatically increase by even more.

Players DO NOT automatically do anything changing teams, just ask Lukaku how that goes.
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Re: 2022 Summer Transfer Window

Postby theHotHead » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:18 am

EliteKiller wrote:Sorry, but what utter bollocks. Jesus got 4 in one game against relegated Watford ignore that and he got just 4 in 1800 minutes. Stats without some context are mostly drivel. Jesus played 1880 minutes for eight goals, ESR played 1922 for ten goals clearly by your logic ESR is the better striker. Eddie scored 5 in 825 minutes, by your logic that's 25 guaranteed next season if he plays every minute,

Why sign Raphinha with 11 goals when we can sign Pukki also with 11 goals in a far worse team, he would cost half the price - by your logic his goal contributions automatically increase by even more.

Players DO NOT automatically do anything changing teams, just ask Lukaku how that goes.

EK, its not bollox at all, how do we forecast things ? We look at history, we predict what we think will happen based on what has happened in the past. If a striker scored 20 goals in the previous season its not unreasonable to predict/forecast that they will score 20 goals again. If there are factors that affected those 20 goals (negative or positive) its not unreasonable to expect an improvement or reduction in the number of goals. Yes, context is important but its only a part of the conversation. Who is to say Jesus couldn't/wouldn't score 4 goals again, against the next relegation team ? Does the fact he scored 4 goals in a game not register with his total number of goals or are the extra goals subtracted ? You would have needed to score 4 goals or more 4 times last season, to have beaten Watford, so don't knock those 4 goals !

Jesus played 1880 minutes for eight goals, ESR played 1922 for ten goals clearly by your logic ESR is the better striker. Eddie scored 5 in 825 minutes, by your logic that's 25 guaranteed next season if he plays every minute,

If you multiply it out, yes, its called a strike rate and strike rates are used as a stat in loads of sports. Of course Eddie won't play every minute so he won't get anywhere near 25 goals, but as a stat it shows the frequency of his goal scoring. I don't see why that stat is an issue to you.

As for Pukki vs Raphina, Pukki is a CF, Raphina is a winger/wide forward, he shouldn't score as many as the CF who is always in the box and the focal point of attacks !

As for your point about Lukaku, cool, but the same can be said for players that STAY at a club, that doesn't mean they will continue to do what they had been doing, just look at Auba !
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Re: 2022 Summer Transfer Window

Postby alexafc12 » Thu Jun 23, 2022 8:30 am

Can we leave the stats to Statman please
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Re: 2022 Summer Transfer Window

Postby Reiss » Thu Jun 23, 2022 10:28 am

Rockape wrote:
Reiss wrote:
ag6789 wrote:He needs proper players ,which he's slowly accumulating for a total football approach. He's following Pep/ Wenger model, and getting there slowly but surely.
Technical players all over the pitch.


Finally a rational post. Completely spot on.

You can't play free flowing, dynamic football without ballers in the team. City have Bernardo, Grealish, Foden, KDB, Mahrez.. Liverpool have Diaz, Salah, Bobby, Thiago, Jota, Nunez... players that are confident on the ball, very good technically and can play in the pocket.

We are severely lacking players like this and Arteta is quoted as acknowledging that. So I'm glad we're addressing the issue because in order to impose our own style of play and dictate games, we need those kind of players.

We got rid of a load of technical players over the years like Ramsey, Jack, Cazorla, Ozil, so we desperately need them.


I'm with HH here.....we need and we've always needed a steel spine. Players who will fight to the death if necessary. We do have some players now, who are a definite improvement on Wengers leftovers, and of course we need players with skillz too......its about balance.


We've gone too much the other way now. Hardly any technical players which means little free flowing football. Emery wanted to turn us into pragmatic dogs hence he was so insistent on players like N'Zonzi.

In the Wenger years we went too much the other way. No steel and too many technical players.

I think we'll strike the right balance under Arteta.
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Re: 2022 Summer Transfer Window

Postby starmandb » Thu Jun 23, 2022 8:13 pm

Power n Glory wrote:
starmandb wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
starmandb wrote:
22-0 wrote:Not to mention over playing our youngsters hurts them in the long run.. to much pressure and will end up with long term injuries.

Same thing happened to a lot of the barca youngsters when they tried to rebuild doing the same thing.

Arsenal players appearances at 23 followed by total appearances for the club
Here is just a sample
O’Leary 308… 722
Adams 235…. 672
Armstrong 239…. 621
Rice 170…. 525
Storey 180…. 506
Simpson 142….. 478
Davis 201……445
Rix 231….. 449
Parlour 199….. 442
Merson 188….. 415
Vieira 172…. 400
Good enough
Old enough

Football then is NOTHING LIKE football now.

You could get away with eating shit food, getting drunk and being totally unprofessional, you cannot now. Footballers are finely tuned athletes

The game is faster now, the ball is in play for longer too.

And you got kicked a lot more and teams used far fewer players throughout the season and there was 1 sub. Parlour and Vieira played in the post diet era and add to those Walcott Ramsey and Henry who played a lot of games young and went on to play a lot of games for us and there are others


Ramsey and Walcott aren't the best examples. Both have missed a lot of football through injury and can't play a lot of minutes through a season. Theo's 33 and Ramsey is 31. Auba is 33 and so is Lewandowski. Benzema is 34. Ronaldo is 37? They'd be better examples to look at.

Walcott played 397 games for us
Ramsey 371
Touré 327
Ljungberg 324
The original post was about ours
Only interested in ours
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Re: 2022 Summer Transfer Window

Postby Power n Glory » Thu Jun 23, 2022 8:28 pm

starmandb wrote:
Power n Glory wrote:
starmandb wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
starmandb wrote:
22-0 wrote:Not to mention over playing our youngsters hurts them in the long run.. to much pressure and will end up with long term injuries.

Same thing happened to a lot of the barca youngsters when they tried to rebuild doing the same thing.

Arsenal players appearances at 23 followed by total appearances for the club
Here is just a sample
O’Leary 308… 722
Adams 235…. 672
Armstrong 239…. 621
Rice 170…. 525
Storey 180…. 506
Simpson 142….. 478
Davis 201……445
Rix 231….. 449
Parlour 199….. 442
Merson 188….. 415
Vieira 172…. 400
Good enough
Old enough

Football then is NOTHING LIKE football now.

You could get away with eating shit food, getting drunk and being totally unprofessional, you cannot now. Footballers are finely tuned athletes

The game is faster now, the ball is in play for longer too.

And you got kicked a lot more and teams used far fewer players throughout the season and there was 1 sub. Parlour and Vieira played in the post diet era and add to those Walcott Ramsey and Henry who played a lot of games young and went on to play a lot of games for us and there are others


Ramsey and Walcott aren't the best examples. Both have missed a lot of football through injury and can't play a lot of minutes through a season. Theo's 33 and Ramsey is 31. Auba is 33 and so is Lewandowski. Benzema is 34. Ronaldo is 37? They'd be better examples to look at.

Walcott played 397 games for us
Ramsey 371
Touré 327
Ljungberg 324
The original post was about ours
Only interested in ours


But the point was about over playing young players hurts them in the long run and leads to injuries. Walcott and Ramsey haven't played a lot of football in their late 20s going into their 30s and their bodies are close to retirement age.
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Re: 2022 Summer Transfer Window

Postby starmandb » Thu Jun 23, 2022 9:06 pm

Power n Glory wrote:
starmandb wrote:
Power n Glory wrote:
starmandb wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
starmandb wrote:
22-0 wrote:Not to mention over playing our youngsters hurts them in the long run.. to much pressure and will end up with long term injuries.

Same thing happened to a lot of the barca youngsters when they tried to rebuild doing the same thing.

Arsenal players appearances at 23 followed by total appearances for the club
Here is just a sample
O’Leary 308… 722
Adams 235…. 672
Armstrong 239…. 621
Rice 170…. 525
Storey 180…. 506
Simpson 142….. 478
Davis 201……445
Rix 231….. 449
Parlour 199….. 442
Merson 188….. 415
Vieira 172…. 400
Good enough
Old enough

Football then is NOTHING LIKE football now.

You could get away with eating shit food, getting drunk and being totally unprofessional, you cannot now. Footballers are finely tuned athletes

The game is faster now, the ball is in play for longer too.

And you got kicked a lot more and teams used far fewer players throughout the season and there was 1 sub. Parlour and Vieira played in the post diet era and add to those Walcott Ramsey and Henry who played a lot of games young and went on to play a lot of games for us and there are others


Ramsey and Walcott aren't the best examples. Both have missed a lot of football through injury and can't play a lot of minutes through a season. Theo's 33 and Ramsey is 31. Auba is 33 and so is Lewandowski. Benzema is 34. Ronaldo is 37? They'd be better examples to look at.

Walcott played 397 games for us
Ramsey 371
Touré 327
Ljungberg 324
The original post was about ours
Only interested in ours


But the point was about over playing young players hurts them in the long run and leads to injuries. Walcott and Ramsey haven't played a lot of football in their late 20s going into their 30s and their bodies are close to retirement age.

Ramsey played 72 games in two years in his late 20’s with us
Walcott played 76 in three
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Re: 2022 Summer Transfer Window

Postby Power n Glory » Thu Jun 23, 2022 9:15 pm

starmandb wrote:
Power n Glory wrote:
starmandb wrote:
Power n Glory wrote:
starmandb wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
starmandb wrote:
22-0 wrote:Not to mention over playing our youngsters hurts them in the long run.. to much pressure and will end up with long term injuries.

Same thing happened to a lot of the barca youngsters when they tried to rebuild doing the same thing.

Arsenal players appearances at 23 followed by total appearances for the club
Here is just a sample
O’Leary 308… 722
Adams 235…. 672
Armstrong 239…. 621
Rice 170…. 525
Storey 180…. 506
Simpson 142….. 478
Davis 201……445
Rix 231….. 449
Parlour 199….. 442
Merson 188….. 415
Vieira 172…. 400
Good enough
Old enough

Football then is NOTHING LIKE football now.

You could get away with eating shit food, getting drunk and being totally unprofessional, you cannot now. Footballers are finely tuned athletes

The game is faster now, the ball is in play for longer too.

And you got kicked a lot more and teams used far fewer players throughout the season and there was 1 sub. Parlour and Vieira played in the post diet era and add to those Walcott Ramsey and Henry who played a lot of games young and went on to play a lot of games for us and there are others


Ramsey and Walcott aren't the best examples. Both have missed a lot of football through injury and can't play a lot of minutes through a season. Theo's 33 and Ramsey is 31. Auba is 33 and so is Lewandowski. Benzema is 34. Ronaldo is 37? They'd be better examples to look at.

Walcott played 397 games for us
Ramsey 371
Touré 327
Ljungberg 324
The original post was about ours
Only interested in ours


But the point was about over playing young players hurts them in the long run and leads to injuries. Walcott and Ramsey haven't played a lot of football in their late 20s going into their 30s and their bodies are close to retirement age.

Ramsey played 72 games in two years in his late 20’s with us
Walcott played 76 in three


You can't just look at the numbers here at Arsenal. You may only care about what they have done here but if we he hope to see some of the kids grow to have long careers here, you have to look at our last crop of youth that played a lot and how things look today.
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Re: 2022 Summer Transfer Window

Postby Ach » Thu Jun 23, 2022 9:31 pm

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Re: 2022 Summer Transfer Window

Postby starmandb » Thu Jun 23, 2022 9:40 pm

Power n Glory wrote:
starmandb wrote:
Power n Glory wrote:
starmandb wrote:
Power n Glory wrote:
starmandb wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
starmandb wrote:
22-0 wrote:Not to mention over playing our youngsters hurts them in the long run.. to much pressure and will end up with long term injuries.

Same thing happened to a lot of the barca youngsters when they tried to rebuild doing the same thing.

Arsenal players appearances at 23 followed by total appearances for the club
Here is just a sample
O’Leary 308… 722
Adams 235…. 672
Armstrong 239…. 621
Rice 170…. 525
Storey 180…. 506
Simpson 142….. 478
Davis 201……445
Rix 231….. 449
Parlour 199….. 442
Merson 188….. 415
Vieira 172…. 400
Good enough
Old enough

Football then is NOTHING LIKE football now.

You could get away with eating shit food, getting drunk and being totally unprofessional, you cannot now. Footballers are finely tuned athletes

The game is faster now, the ball is in play for longer too.

And you got kicked a lot more and teams used far fewer players throughout the season and there was 1 sub. Parlour and Vieira played in the post diet era and add to those Walcott Ramsey and Henry who played a lot of games young and went on to play a lot of games for us and there are others


Ramsey and Walcott aren't the best examples. Both have missed a lot of football through injury and can't play a lot of minutes through a season. Theo's 33 and Ramsey is 31. Auba is 33 and so is Lewandowski. Benzema is 34. Ronaldo is 37? They'd be better examples to look at.

Walcott played 397 games for us
Ramsey 371
Touré 327
Ljungberg 324
The original post was about ours
Only interested in ours


But the point was about over playing young players hurts them in the long run and leads to injuries. Walcott and Ramsey haven't played a lot of football in their late 20s going into their 30s and their bodies are close to retirement age.

Ramsey played 72 games in two years in his late 20’s with us
Walcott played 76 in three


You can't just look at the numbers here at Arsenal. You may only care about what they have done here but if we he hope to see some of the kids grow to have long careers here, you have to look at our last crop of youth that played a lot and how things look today.

Ramsey was here for 11 years
Walcott 12
Decent length of a career
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