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Re: Arteta Out

Postby theHotHead » Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:19 am

DiamondGooner wrote:
Klopp would never harp for a former manager and that's what we're missing, a great manager.

Great manager's don't ask for help, they are the help.

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Re: Arteta Out

Postby theHotHead » Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:23 am

jayramfootball wrote:All great managers in all walks of life ask for help.

:rofll:

Arteta :rofll:

He is asking for help because so far his best is as good as Wenger's worst!
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby Power n Glory » Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:33 am

Reiss wrote:Wenger hasn't changed- his loony ideas working for FIFA prove he's still as deluded as he was when managing us.

Keep him away please.


That idea seems self serving. Has he always felt that way or is this a new thing since joining FIFA?
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby Power n Glory » Fri Nov 26, 2021 1:07 pm

Reiss wrote:
Power n Glory wrote:
Reiss wrote:Wenger hasn't changed- his loony ideas working for FIFA prove he's still as deluded as he was when managing us.

Keep him away please.


That idea seems self serving. Has he always felt that way or is this a new thing since joining FIFA?


Sorry I've not understood what you're asking here...


I mean Wenger's idea of having the World Cup and Euros every two year's. I just can't imagine him being in favour of that idea if he was still a manager. It just seems like a self serving agenda to help put more money in Fifa's pockets and his own. But I could be wrong if it's an idea he's always had even as Arsenal manager.
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby Ach » Fri Nov 26, 2021 1:18 pm

Doubt it. He's a money guy. If he hasn't got it. He wants it. Like this world cup crap he wants.

If he has got it, he keeps it. Like when he's our manager
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby jayramfootball » Fri Nov 26, 2021 1:23 pm

theHotHead wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:All great managers in all walks of life ask for help.

:rofll:

Arteta :rofll:

He is asking for help because so far his best is as good as Wenger's worst!


Like I said - all great managers in all walks of life ask for help.
Those that do not are the type of narcissists who believe they have all the answers.

One of my reservations about Arteta is that he might be the kind of person who would not listen to anyone else - if this story is true, it's a good sign.
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby DiamondGooner » Fri Nov 26, 2021 1:31 pm

jayramfootball wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:All great managers in all walks of life ask for help.

:rofll:

Arteta :rofll:

He is asking for help because so far his best is as good as Wenger's worst!


Like I said - all great managers in all walks of life ask for help.
Those that do not are the type of narcissists who believe they have all the answers.

One of my reservations about Arteta is that he might be the kind of person who would not listen to anyone else - if this story is true, it's a good sign.


Managers only request help from others when they have a deficiency themselves.

Which explains Arteta's actions nicely.

Do you see Tuchel asking for help from Mourhino? or Klopp asking for help? no.

Do you know why? because they know what they're doing themselves and are doing a great fkin job.

I said we should of got Tuchel and people doubted it.

If anything Arteta asking for help is nothing but a sign that he's not ready, what is having Wenger back at Arsenal actually going to achieve?
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby jayramfootball » Fri Nov 26, 2021 1:37 pm

DiamondGooner wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:All great managers in all walks of life ask for help.

:rofll:

Arteta :rofll:

He is asking for help because so far his best is as good as Wenger's worst!


Like I said - all great managers in all walks of life ask for help.
Those that do not are the type of narcissists who believe they have all the answers.

One of my reservations about Arteta is that he might be the kind of person who would not listen to anyone else - if this story is true, it's a good sign.


Managers only request help from others when they have a deficiency themselves.

Which explains Arteta's actions nicely.

Do you see Tuchel asking for help from Mourhino? or Klopp asking for help? no.

Do you know why? because they know what they're doing themselves and are doing a great fkin job.

I said we should of got Tuchel and people doubted it.

If anything Arteta asking for help is nothing but a sign that he's not ready, what is having Wenger back at Arsenal actually going to achieve?


That explains every human being on earth.
I know of no person alive that does not have deficiencies or things to learn in their chosen profession.
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby DiamondGooner » Fri Nov 26, 2021 1:41 pm

jayramfootball wrote:
DiamondGooner wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:All great managers in all walks of life ask for help.

:rofll:

Arteta :rofll:

He is asking for help because so far his best is as good as Wenger's worst!


Like I said - all great managers in all walks of life ask for help.
Those that do not are the type of narcissists who believe they have all the answers.

One of my reservations about Arteta is that he might be the kind of person who would not listen to anyone else - if this story is true, it's a good sign.


Managers only request help from others when they have a deficiency themselves.

Which explains Arteta's actions nicely.

Do you see Tuchel asking for help from Mourhino? or Klopp asking for help? no.

Do you know why? because they know what they're doing themselves and are doing a great fkin job.

I said we should of got Tuchel and people doubted it.

If anything Arteta asking for help is nothing but a sign that he's not ready, what is having Wenger back at Arsenal actually going to achieve?


That explains every human being on earth.
I know of no person alive that does not have deficiencies or things to learn in their chosen profession.


.......... its in the title "Manager", you do the managing, your not bought in to be managed.

It literally says it in the title, stop making excuses.

Its almost like Arteta wants to go back to being under the wing of Pep, does Arteta want to be more of an Assistant Manager, go back to being the cone boy?

Man up and do your job or we should get someone else in who's qualified enough.
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby Nuggets » Fri Nov 26, 2021 2:16 pm

jayramfootball wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:All great managers in all walks of life ask for help.

:rofll:

Arteta :rofll:

He is asking for help because so far his best is as good as Wenger's worst!


Like I said - all great managers in all walks of life ask for help.
Those that do not are the type of narcissists who believe they have all the answers.

One of my reservations about Arteta is that he might be the kind of person who would not listen to anyone else - if this story is true, it's a good sign.


The only reason this clown is asking for help is he knows he is shite and will soon be gone. :sneaky2: :rofll:
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby Nuggets » Fri Nov 26, 2021 2:18 pm

jayramfootball wrote:
DiamondGooner wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:All great managers in all walks of life ask for help.

:rofll:

Arteta :rofll:

He is asking for help because so far his best is as good as Wenger's worst!


Like I said - all great managers in all walks of life ask for help.
Those that do not are the type of narcissists who believe they have all the answers.

One of my reservations about Arteta is that he might be the kind of person who would not listen to anyone else - if this story is true, it's a good sign.


Managers only request help from others when they have a deficiency themselves.

Which explains Arteta's actions nicely.

Do you see Tuchel asking for help from Mourhino? or Klopp asking for help? no.

Do you know why? because they know what they're doing themselves and are doing a great fkin job.

I said we should of got Tuchel and people doubted it.

If anything Arteta asking for help is nothing but a sign that he's not ready, what is having Wenger back at Arsenal actually going to achieve?


That explains every human being on earth.
I know of no person alive that does not have deficiencies or things to learn in their chosen profession.[/quote]

He should have chosen conference football then that's about his level. ;)
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby Highbury Hillbilly » Fri Nov 26, 2021 3:42 pm

Power n Glory wrote:
Reiss wrote:
Power n Glory wrote:
Reiss wrote:Wenger hasn't changed- his loony ideas working for FIFA prove he's still as deluded as he was when managing us.

Keep him away please.


That idea seems self serving. Has he always felt that way or is this a new thing since joining FIFA?


Sorry I've not understood what you're asking here...


I mean Wenger's idea of having the World Cup and Euros every two year's. I just can't imagine him being in favour of that idea if he was still a manager. It just seems like a self serving agenda to help put more money in Fifa's pockets and his own. But I could be wrong if it's an idea he's always had even as Arsenal manager.


It's a distinction without a difference.

If he's doing FIFA's bidding in pushing a change that he knows is wrong, that's extremely disappointing because we have always thought of Wenger as the one high caliber manager who never gave up on his players. Wilshere, Diaby, Rosicky - any other club would have dumped them due to their injuries.

If this is his own idea, well, he hasn't managed to get a single player on board. He is making his case to the national FAs, without any consideration for the players themselves.

It looks bad any way you slice it.
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby DiamondGooner » Fri Nov 26, 2021 4:13 pm

Klopp on Utd appointing Ralf Rangnick.

"Unfortunately we have a another good manager arriving in the league".

Shame we'd never hear that level of concern for Arsenal's manager, not since Wenger anyway.

That is the sort of level we needed.

Ralf Rangnick was the man who made RB Leipzig a top team.
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby Power n Glory » Fri Nov 26, 2021 4:40 pm

Highbury Hillbilly wrote:
Power n Glory wrote:
Reiss wrote:
Power n Glory wrote:
Reiss wrote:Wenger hasn't changed- his loony ideas working for FIFA prove he's still as deluded as he was when managing us.

Keep him away please.


That idea seems self serving. Has he always felt that way or is this a new thing since joining FIFA?


Sorry I've not understood what you're asking here...


I mean Wenger's idea of having the World Cup and Euros every two year's. I just can't imagine him being in favour of that idea if he was still a manager. It just seems like a self serving agenda to help put more money in Fifa's pockets and his own. But I could be wrong if it's an idea he's always had even as Arsenal manager.


It's a distinction without a difference.

If he's doing FIFA's bidding in pushing a change that he knows is wrong, that's extremely disappointing because we have always thought of Wenger as the one high caliber manager who never gave up on his players. Wilshere, Diaby, Rosicky - any other club would have dumped them due to their injuries.

If this is his own idea, well, he hasn't managed to get a single player on board. He is making his case to the national FAs, without any consideration for the players themselves.

It looks bad any way you slice it.


I think that part in bold just brings back up the feelings I had whilst he was here doing the dirty work for Kroenke and the Board. He never really stood up to the suits despite coming across as a man with strong principles when it came to football.

I wouldn’t want him back at the club in that case. If it's pennies before principles, it's best he keeps his distance and just works on talking up the past and what he did in the glory days. Still a little sour about how things were left and it seemed as though his values were compromised in the latter years.
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby Highbury Hillbilly » Fri Nov 26, 2021 4:46 pm

DiamondGooner wrote:Klopp on Utd appointing Ralf Rangnick.

"Unfortunately we have a another good manager arriving in the league".

Shame we'd never hear that level of concern for Arsenal's manager, not since Wenger anyway.

That is the sort of level we needed.

Ralf Rangnick was the man who made RB Leipzig a top team.


He'll be available in 6 months.

Not sure if he's the guy for us though, already 63yo, and is presently in a DOF role rather than a manager role. Utd are getting him only because he's a safe pair of hands, like Guus Hiddink was for Chelsea after they sacked Mourinho in 2015.
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