DiamondGooner wrote:theHotHead wrote:Should have told Ali what ? you are the one claiming Fury is the best heavyweight ever
If you think MMA and boxing are nothing alike you are a bigger fool than your previous posts suggested. Considering Boxing is a key part of MMA, considering every top MMA fighter has a striking coach, considering most of the top heavyweights in MMA are not grapplers at all, they are stand up fighters, boxing plays a massive part:
Shows how much you know about MMA, you claim all it takes is someone with a much higher level of submission to eradicate other skills, thats nonsense yet the vast majority of wins across all classes are from knockouts not submissions.
So when you see fighters standing up and "boxing" in the octogon according to you DG they are not boxing because it is nothing like boxing
No dunce can be a teacher, I thought you might be able to teach me something, turns out you are full of yourself .. and hot air.
Are you alright mate?
MMA and boxing are ......... nothing alike.
One is a sport purely stand up and you can only use punches, the other is the complete opposite, that's how they're nothing alike.
Muay thai, Wrestling, submissions, stand up and ground game are not in boxing so yeah ........ its like comparing Football and Rugby you bloody dougnut, you kick in Rugby as well, so what? completely different sports.
Have you not seen the recent MMA fighters crossing over to boxing? Tyrone Woodly, long time Welterweight champ beaten by Jake Paul ffs ........ so yeah totally the same.
Randy Couture beat James Tony in 1 round, if MMA was like boxing would that happen? no.
You've got problems lad.
You spent all that time trying to detail MMA to me, I've been watching the UFC since UFC 1 back before 1995, I mean what are you doing?
I've done MMA for years and my Cousin has had matches.
Boxing in MMA is nothing like boxing in actual boxing, the stance is different because of takedowns and Thai low leg kicks and MMA fighters to people who have a keen eye, don't have the intricacies of technique that a boxer has.
Look at the way Woodley couldn't beat Jake or the way Connor a renowned good striker in MMA, look at the way he boxed Floyd, no boxer fights like that.
.............. and no I can't teach you anything, as I said, its like trying to teach a dolphin to climb a tree.
Maybe if you stopped ranting and trying to "one-up" you'd stop to ask why I'm saying what I'm saying?
Mate, all I see is blah blah blah. Nothing you have responded with changes any of the facts, you post things and think you are making a point when the point is either moot or irrelevant. Here are some examples:
Johnny Wilkinson kicking penalties and conversions, discussion with David Beckham, Wilkinson then takes a load of free kicks and strikes the ball like ANY expert deadball football specialist. The fact he kicks a rugby ball for a living doesn't change how you strike a ball to keep it low and under the wind, to strike it high, to curl it from left to right or from right to left. Is kicking a rugby ball similar to kicking a football ? Are there techniques employed by both players when striking the ball ? Absolutely.
Dude - I made it quite clear, there are plenty of stand up fighters in MMA that prefer not to go to ground, they are strikers, be it Thai boxing, Kick boxing, Taekwondo or boxing. The link I sent showed that at the beginning of a fight the fight starts on the feet, you can see the karate fighters adopt a karate stance, Muay Thai boxers adopt a Muay stance, those more comfortable in a traditional boxing stance adopt a boxing stance. Anyone that knows anything about fighting (which you claim to know) understands the fundamental difference between how a traditional boxer throws a punch to how they do in martial arts, the thing that stands out when boxers box is their foot movement. Watch any striker in MMA and watch their footwork, its EXACTLY THE SAME as a traditional boxer's footwork. Half the MMA fights that have striker vs striker look like boxing matches minus the gloves and the boots. But according to you they are NOTHING alike
To be clear, I said all you have done is think you are making a point but its either irrelevant or moot. At no point did I say Wrestling was the same as boxing, I made a very clear point of saying MMA INCLUDES boxing and that boxing is a very important part of MMA, so when MMA fighters go at it striking each other using their boxing - guess what - its the same as bloody boxing isn't it !! I never said anything about an MMA fighter taking down a boxer, I distanced the wrestling/grappling part of MMA quite clearly because I wasn't talking about that when I wrote:
If you think MMA and boxing are nothing alike you are a bigger fool than your previous posts suggested. Considering Boxing is a key part of MMA, considering every top MMA fighter has a striking coach, considering most of the top heavyweights in MMA are not grapplers at all, they are stand up fighters, boxing plays a massive part
Everything else you wrote is irrelevant. Let me make my argument quite clear - AGAIN ! Boxing is a key component for EVERY MMA fighter, most MMA fighters secure victories through TKOs not submissions, most top heavyweight MMA fighters throw punches, they don't try to get you on the floor to submit you. Boxing is VERY evident in MMA, whether you want to admit it or not, up to you.