DiamondGooner wrote:theHotHead wrote:Jedi wrote:Where did DG say that Fury will win ONLY because he's tall? And what does MMA have to do with boxing? Hothead you're talking nonsense
Fury has average power for a heavyweight, so the thing that elevates him above others seems to be his height/size and boxing skill according to DG. So Jedi, in a sport of margins, if his power doesn't set him apart,
the last time i knew dancing around didn't win fights.
Next,
MMA, firstly its a pugelistic art, the same traits that make boxers great make MMA fighters great, the ability to absorb punishment, speed, power, technique, determination, heart. Given at the elite level there are no chumps in MMA size can make a difference, but we see skill levels vary.
All things equal the bigger man would win - hence why such a shit boxer like Wilder became a world champ, cos he is so much bigger than his opponents.Klitschko, so much bigger than his opponents.
But but .... I am talkiing nonsense
In order of the nonsense.
1 - Should of told Muhammed Ali that.
2 - MMA and boxing are nothing a like except that their all athletes, it is not a "pugilistic" art, MMA is highy founded on grappling more than anything, in fact all those same attributes you mentioned can be completely eradicated by someone with simply much higher level of submission, so all that toughness etc you mentioned can be kicked right out of the window in MMA, not so much in boxing.
3 - Wilder firstly is one of the lightest HW's in the division, the only size he has is height and that's it, he didn't get to where he is on size (almost always the lighter man) he got there because of his power .......... the same power you seem to not even acknowledge he has.
This conversation is like trying to teach a dolphin how to climb a tree.
You should park the strong opinions and discuss the why's and the where's before you make such bold statements.
Should have told Ali what ? you are the one claiming Fury is the best heavyweight ever
If you think MMA and boxing are nothing alike you are a bigger fool than your previous posts suggested. Considering Boxing is a key part of MMA, considering every top MMA fighter has a striking coach, considering most of the top heavyweights in MMA are not grapplers at all, they are stand up fighters, boxing plays a massive part:
1) Francis Ngannou - striker
2) Cyril Gane - striker
3) Stipe Miocic - striker and wrestler
4) Derrick Lewis - striker
5) Curtis Blaydes - wrestler
6) Alexander Volkov - striker
7) Jairzinho Rozenstruick - striker
8) Tom Aspinall - striker
9) Chris Daukaus - no idea
10) Augusto Sakai - no idea
11) Marcin Tybura - no idea
12) Alexander Romanov - no idea
13) Walt Harris - striker
14) Sergey Spivak - no idea
15) Tai Tuivasa - striker
Shows how much you know about MMA, you claim all it takes is someone with a much higher level of submission to eradicate other skills, thats nonsense yet the vast majority of wins across all classes are from knockouts not submissions.
https://themmaguru.com/best-fighting-style-for-mma/Boxing is an important Martial Art for MMA because it teaches fighters head movement and footwork technique. It’s also extremely effective in self-defense situations, as most fights start standing up. Boxing is a sport that has been celebrated by the masses throughout history. Fighters like Muhammed Ali and Floyd Mayweather have completely changed the sport of Boxing.
Who uses Boxing in MMA?
Well, almost everybody uses Boxing in MMA because every fight starts standing up. When you think of professional MMA fighters with great Boxing, of course Conor McGregor’s name comes to mind. Conor is actually a fantastic boxer with a karate style stance. This is how you know MMA is special, a boxer with a karate style stance that has been able to win multiple UFC titles. Other great boxers in MMA include: Cody Garbrandt, Jorge Masvidal, and even BJJ practitioner Nate Diaz has great boxing.
How Important is Boxing in MMA?
Learning Boxing is very important in MMA. To put it in perspective, almost every MMA fighter has taken a Boxing class. It’s very common for BJJ competitors and college Wrestlers to start training Boxing while learning MMA because it will help them round out their game. It can be very difficult for wrestlers to transition their game to learning striking, while other fighters such as Champion Tj Dillashaw (who started his career as a wrestler) have done an amazing job learning Martial Arts such as Muay Thai.
So when you see fighters standing up and "boxing" in the octogon according to you DG they are not boxing because it is nothing like boxing
No dunce can be a teacher, I thought you might be able to teach me something, turns out you are full of yourself .. and hot air.