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Re: Implications of Newcastle takeover on Arsenal

Postby DiamondGooner » Tue Oct 12, 2021 10:50 pm

jayramfootball wrote:
Özim wrote:We’ve not being doing well, as many people have told you we’ve been pretty awful.

You call it doing well but people don’t see it that way.

As for this supposed run, again as everyone pointed out it’s meaningless or Wenger would have won the title multiple times after 2005 if this actually meant anything because he often wen on long runs when it mattered least.


The points we've won over the last 31 PL games tell the story of how we have done since coming out of a poor run.

That's all that matters and the true story is we've been doing well for a long time.


So your deliberately not counting that poor run (of course) and ignoring that despite your claims we're 11th in the league.

......... that is what counts.

Arguing about your fantasy selected period of time is akin to arguing about what air tastes like.

I think I'll stick to counting the results per season as a whole .......... you know, like how the Premier League does?

Its a new low of mediocrity to be trying make out we're doing well by selecting half seasons, you can kick and scream as much as you want but our league position says "11th".

Explain that one.
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Re: Implications of Newcastle takeover on Arsenal

Postby swipe right » Tue Oct 12, 2021 11:22 pm

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Rockape wrote:Has anyone ever been to Speakers corner and seen the crazeeees standing on their soap boxes, wild eyed and shouting their weird messages to the people? A few people stop and stare in wonder, whilst the rest hurry past, looking the other way.

Jay is the deluded Preacher of GW.


Yeah - and you and your doomer pals are like the guy on the street wearing a sandwich board shouting 'the end is nigh'.

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Re: Implications of Newcastle takeover on Arsenal

Postby EliteKiller » Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:20 am

TedLasso wrote:Since January 1st, 2021, Arsenal has the 5th highest points per game in the Premier League (1.86). It's true that Arsenal is up at the top over the last 31 games. But let's look at the sample in different waves.

Arsenal's Points and Standing

Last 15 Games: 29pts (3rd)
Last 30: 54pts (5th)
Last 45: 71pts (9th)

There's a clear trajectory of improvement recently, which is a positive sign. But the wider the sample gets, the worse we look.


Anything prior to this season is irrelevant - a billion pounds was spent by clubs to massively change lineups - three teams left and three teams joined the EPL - why would you then compare our results against teams, and players, who no longer participate in the EPL?

The only thing that matters is the EPL table THIS SEASON ... we are not top three, not top six, not even eighth, we're feckin' eleventh ... that IS NOT an improvement, no amount of leprechaun statistics and unicorn comparisons will change that fact.
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Re: Implications of Newcastle takeover on Arsenal

Postby LMAO » Wed Oct 13, 2021 4:01 am

swipe right wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
Rockape wrote:Has anyone ever been to Speakers corner and seen the crazeeees standing on their soap boxes, wild eyed and shouting their weird messages to the people? A few people stop and stare in wonder, whilst the rest hurry past, looking the other way.

Jay is the deluded Preacher of GW.


Yeah - and you and your doomer pals are like the guy on the street wearing a sandwich board shouting 'the end is nigh'.

;)

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Re: Implications of Newcastle takeover on Arsenal

Postby jayramfootball » Wed Oct 13, 2021 6:09 am

TedLasso wrote:Since January 1st, 2021, Arsenal has the 5th highest points per game in the Premier League (1.86). It's true that Arsenal is up at the top over the last 31 games. But let's look at the sample in different waves.

Arsenal's Points and Standing

Last 15 Games: 29pts (3rd)
Last 30: 54pts (5th)
Last 45: 71pts (9th)

There's a clear trajectory of improvement recently, which is a positive sign. But the wider the sample gets, the worse we look.


Exactly.
We've been getting better.
The signs are positive - and they have been for some time.
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Re: Implications of Newcastle takeover on Arsenal

Postby jayramfootball » Wed Oct 13, 2021 6:23 am

DiamondGooner wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
Özim wrote:We’ve not being doing well, as many people have told you we’ve been pretty awful.

You call it doing well but people don’t see it that way.

As for this supposed run, again as everyone pointed out it’s meaningless or Wenger would have won the title multiple times after 2005 if this actually meant anything because he often wen on long runs when it mattered least.


The points we've won over the last 31 PL games tell the story of how we have done since coming out of a poor run.

That's all that matters and the true story is we've been doing well for a long time.


So your deliberately not counting that poor run (of course) and ignoring that despite your claims we're 11th in the league.

......... that is what counts.

Arguing about your fantasy selected period of time is akin to arguing about what air tastes like.

I think I'll stick to counting the results per season as a whole .......... you know, like how the Premier League does?

Its a new low of mediocrity to be trying make out we're doing well by selecting half seasons, you can kick and scream as much as you want but our league position says "11th".

Explain that one.


Fantasy? No.
Reality, yes.
We've been one of the best teams in the league for some time.
No matter how much that grates ( don't know why it would), it is a fact.

Being 11th after 7 games?
Means far less than being the 4th best team over a much longer period because we're now showing we can sustain top 4 form over a long period.

I wouldn't be too worried about the first 3 games with covid and injuries.
Better to celebrate the last 4 games which have put is back in the race for top 4.
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Re: Implications of Newcastle takeover on Arsenal

Postby swipe right » Wed Oct 13, 2021 6:37 am

jayramfootball wrote:
DiamondGooner wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
Özim wrote:We’ve not being doing well, as many people have told you we’ve been pretty awful.

You call it doing well but people don’t see it that way.

As for this supposed run, again as everyone pointed out it’s meaningless or Wenger would have won the title multiple times after 2005 if this actually meant anything because he often wen on long runs when it mattered least.


The points we've won over the last 31 PL games tell the story of how we have done since coming out of a poor run.

That's all that matters and the true story is we've been doing well for a long time.


So your deliberately not counting that poor run (of course) and ignoring that despite your claims we're 11th in the league.

......... that is what counts.

Arguing about your fantasy selected period of time is akin to arguing about what air tastes like.

I think I'll stick to counting the results per season as a whole .......... you know, like how the Premier League does?

Its a new low of mediocrity to be trying make out we're doing well by selecting half seasons, you can kick and scream as much as you want but our league position says "11th".

Explain that one.


Fantasy? No.
Reality, yes.
We've been one of the best teams in the league for some time.
No matter how much that grates ( don't know why it would), it is a fact.

Being 11th after 7 games?
Means far less than being the 4th best team over a much longer period because we're now showing we can sustain top 4 form over a long period.

I wouldn't be too worried about the first 3 games with covid and injuries.
Better to celebrate the last 4 games which have put is back in the race for top 4.

So we have top four form while the teams that actually finished top four last season, and are top four after the start of this season, don’t? :think:
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Re: Implications of Newcastle takeover on Arsenal

Postby jayramfootball » Wed Oct 13, 2021 6:47 am

swipe right wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
DiamondGooner wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
Özim wrote:We’ve not being doing well, as many people have told you we’ve been pretty awful.

You call it doing well but people don’t see it that way.

As for this supposed run, again as everyone pointed out it’s meaningless or Wenger would have won the title multiple times after 2005 if this actually meant anything because he often wen on long runs when it mattered least.


The points we've won over the last 31 PL games tell the story of how we have done since coming out of a poor run.

That's all that matters and the true story is we've been doing well for a long time.


So your deliberately not counting that poor run (of course) and ignoring that despite your claims we're 11th in the league.

......... that is what counts.

Arguing about your fantasy selected period of time is akin to arguing about what air tastes like.

I think I'll stick to counting the results per season as a whole .......... you know, like how the Premier League does?

Its a new low of mediocrity to be trying make out we're doing well by selecting half seasons, you can kick and scream as much as you want but our league position says "11th".

Explain that one.


Fantasy? No.
Reality, yes.
We've been one of the best teams in the league for some time.
No matter how much that grates ( don't know why it would), it is a fact.

Being 11th after 7 games?
Means far less than being the 4th best team over a much longer period because we're now showing we can sustain top 4 form over a long period.

I wouldn't be too worried about the first 3 games with covid and injuries.
Better to celebrate the last 4 games which have put is back in the race for top 4.

So we have top four form while the teams that actually finished top four last season, and are top four after the start of this season, don’t? :think:


Some do.
The difference between Arsenal and top 4 last year was terrible run of 7 games.
That's it.
But since those games , 31 matches later, we've won the 4th most points in the league.

Whichever way you cut it, we're not close to being as terrible as you make out.
Were actually doing well since Dec 2020 and we should be pretty positive for the rest of the season ahead.
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Re: Implications of Newcastle takeover on Arsenal

Postby Dejan » Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:02 am

TedLasso wrote:What about the last 38 games? Thats a full prem season, why not use that as a sample?

Oh it’s because it includes losses you dont want to count. Weird.


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Re: Implications of Newcastle takeover on Arsenal

Postby jayramfootball » Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:02 am

Dejan wrote:
TedLasso wrote:What about the last 38 games? Thats a full prem season, why not use that as a sample?

Oh it’s because it includes losses you dont want to count. Weird.


Thats the Jay Classic.


Why would you include the horror 2 months in assessing how we've done since that time???
The whole point of choosing the last 31 games.. Or 24 as it was at the end of the season was to highlight how we have recovered and got ourselves on good form.
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Re: Implications of Newcastle takeover on Arsenal

Postby Ach » Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:05 am

What's the explanation for being shit this season?

Those 2 months were so last season.
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Re: Implications of Newcastle takeover on Arsenal

Postby swipe right » Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:25 am

jayramfootball wrote:
Dejan wrote:
TedLasso wrote:What about the last 38 games? Thats a full prem season, why not use that as a sample?

Oh it’s because it includes losses you dont want to count. Weird.


Thats the Jay Classic.


Why would you include the horror 2 months in assessing how we've done since that time???
The whole point of choosing the last 31 games.. Or 24 as it was at the end of the season was to highlight how we have recovered and got ourselves on good form.

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Re: Implications of Newcastle takeover on Arsenal

Postby Salibatelli » Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:26 am

I can see a pattern here.

Last season he looked at results after our horror show.

This season he starts a thread about results after losing our first 3 games.
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Re: Implications of Newcastle takeover on Arsenal

Postby jayramfootball » Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:38 am

Özim wrote:I can see a pattern here.

Last season he looked at results after our horror show.

This season he starts a thread about results after losing our first 3 games.


The only pattern I am calling out is the form we have had since our 2 month slump.
It's our last 31 games and we are doing well.

All the upset (don't know why) responses in the world are not going to change the fact that our record for a sustained period is not bad at all and far from being the doomsday scenario you and some others are painting.

By the way the last 31 games includes all 7 games this season.
Next week it will be the last 32 games, the week after the last 33. All from the point where we recovered from a 2 month disaster to show clear improvement and reasons for positivity.
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Re: Implications of Newcastle takeover on Arsenal

Postby Salibatelli » Wed Oct 13, 2021 10:38 am

The record you mention isn’t relevant because form across two seasons is unrelated, as someone said the players are different, the teams different.

It also ignores important defeats in other competitions and of course the fact that we had nothing to play for come the end of the season whereas the other big clubs did.

Many of them also had the CL latter stages which often results in less focus and poorer results in league games.

Aside from that it fails to take into considerations performances which are a key factor in showing a team has progressed, as many have said they weren’t good in many games.

In the end league position and performances are the determining factor regarding progress, as people said Emery went on a long unbeaten run, but performances were sketchy at times and it wasn’t sustainable to keep getting results playing like this, we didn’t in the end.
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