Callum wrote:elkanofan wrote:Callum wrote:If they didn't sack him after the run we had in November and December, they won't sack him this summer. Even if we finish 10th.
If we don't get at least top 6 and win the EL
Or by a miracle get top 4.
Do you honestly believe he deserves to stay next season and what are your reasons for keeping him?
I ask this to those who still seem convinced Arteta is the man.
I'm not convinced Arteta is the man who'll lead us to where we want to be, but I do think he can improve us. There are flaws in his management—substitutions, game management, and our inconsistent attack—but I also think he's suffered from factors either out of his control or decisions made before his time, such as the mismanagement at board level and the imbalanced, bloated squad he inherited from Wenger and Emery's tenures.
I also acknowledged, as the club did, that when he appointed him we were appointing a young manager who was going to have to learn on the job. He's taken over at a time where the club's finances have suffered, there are no fans in stadiums, and the club as a whole is in a state of flux. This doesn't absolve him of his mistakes but I do think those considerations must be made.
Either way, the club made their stance clear when they promoted him to Manager and when they didn't buckle during that awful run of form. I don't see them making a change anytime soon. I'm not going to sit here saying he needs to be sacked but I'm also not certain that he'll deliver us Champions League football either, although with the way this club has been run I'm not confident there's many available managers I'd be confident of doing that either.
I like what I've seen since the Chelsea game, and do feel we have potential in the squad with the likes of Gabriel, Tierney, Smith Rowe, Martinelli and Saka. I can't see the club losing their nerve, even if we finish midtable, so rather than calling for his head and frothing at the mouth that we didn't appoint Ancelotti I'm happy to wait and see how this season and the next plays out.
Since the Chelsea game we have been up and down, we have shown good potential in a good talented squad but too many times we have been shown as a flawed and fragile side in achieving results which the talent should deliver. Arteta is in too deep in my opinion and has taken on much more than he can handle. He has potential as a manager but he's jumped into a situation were he's underperforming, unsure of his philosophy and is not transmitting a sense of conviction to the squad. In the situation Arsenal are in, we cant afford now for this project not to work because this side and downgrade of the club for the last 4 years needs a turnaround to begin this process! This 'process' require for our last league position at a minimum at 8th to be improved upon and coming into March with more losses than wins does not show we are moving forward with this process, instead the same old incompetence is ever growing worse.
Leicester and West Ham are were this team is talented enough to be. Even in Arteta's first full season, results like the 1-0 loss vs Burnley is not acceptable any manger with this squad available to him. I think Arteta needs to be take seriously on his failures and no matter how much potential is clearly there, we need to consider how effective he is as a manager for taking this club forward and not get drawn into romanticism or fairytales of the former club player turned don while the reality shows us becoming more and more entrenched in midtable.
We will never have another story like Wenger again for a long time, the nature of football would have to change completely. There are many managers out there, we need this club to move forward, a part of me still hopes Arteta can prove me wrong because I want us to succeed of course We can't wait around for this romanticized 'genius' to appear and give him all the time he needs. Arteta was arrogant enough not to bother with a lower tier club to learn the basics of day to day management for at least a year, or really ground himself in 2-4 years of management to attain some success possibly or consistent positive results based on his sides's quality he's managed, no he is here now based on his agreement he is the man to take on a process which will see us improve on what's happen before and whatever that style of play is it will get us the results we need to follow the 'process'.
It will come down to this, however nice football we might start to play with more attacking mids, there are managers out there better than Arteta we should call on to get the best out of them. We should hesitate to say that act on getting there if needed, and it's looking likely.
Arteta doesn't deserve time, if he proved himself before getting the job he would deserve it based on reputation, but he's still a novice and not someone we should trust if things don't work out at the first hurdle.