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Re: American Politics

Postby jayramfootball » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:33 pm

Va-Va-Voom wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
EliteKiller wrote:Who said on Twitter "Our election was hijacked. There is no question. Congress has a duty to #ProtectOurDemocracy & #FollowTheFacts" - should the CEO's have had it flagged as untrue, and then had the account blocked for incitement ? what do you think?


In today's world, it depends entirely on which election was being questioned.
Apparently, if it's 2020, the above statement is treason and sedition.
If it was said about 2016, it was "saving democracy".


Didn't Hilary concede the following day?


..and then publicly stated she only lost because Russia cheated her.
She consistently, along with many Democrats, undermined the entire election process and questioned the validity of the result over a sustained period.
Hillary specifically used the words ' illegitimate President' to describe Trump and rile up the base.

You can't just put the last 4 years in a box and seal it - the Democrats have been more guilty than anyone else in terms of undermining confidence in US elections, including 2 years of peddling Russia conspiracy theories.

That was all fine, apparently, but question a Democrat election win? Best Monty Python voice ...TWEASON! DEMOCWACY!! CONSTITTUUUUUUTION!!!

The hypocrisy and the pearl clutching really is that comical.
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Re: American Politics

Postby LMAO » Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:10 pm

jayramfootball wrote:
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LMAO wrote:Liz Cheney will vote to impeach Trump tomorrow, becoming the highest ranking (#3) House Republican so far to come out in favor and the second House Republican after John Katko. Like rats fleeing a sinking ship.

Saw somewhere that said: "The first impeachment was an indictment of Trump. The second impeachment is an indictment of the Republican Party."

Had the GOP voted to impeach (other than Amash before he jumped ship and joined the Libertarians) and convict (other than Romney) Trump last year, most of this could've been prevented.

Need to also throw Section 3 of the 14th Amendment at the 139 Representatives and 8 Senators who went along with this massive voter fraud charade by voting against the presidential certification.


Couldn't impeach him while he was in power so now they just want to give him a kick out the door .......... he already lost the election, they're only doing this now because his power base has fallen out from under him.

He's out the door whenever you guys get round eventually to crowning Biden.

See how nonsense your system is, how can a guy win an election but the other guy stays in power for months? what if Trump tried to push through loads of last orders because he knew he wasn't coming back?

Ridiculous system, just like your country.


It is a terrible system. Over 2 months from an election to the winner taking office.
As we saw in 2016, all kinds of havoc can be set up to 'welcome' the new administration.
It'll probably be the same this time around.

As for Democrats and Republicans pushing impeachment with literally 7 days left of the term, it's not only stupid it also sets an amazingly bad precedent. Now impeachment is apparently for the actions of your supporters - bizarre.
I bet not one of them - and very few in this thread - actually understand what impeachment is supposed to be for.


And another idiotic statement from our esteemed enlightened centrist.

"The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors."

If they don't impeach Trump, then it just signals that this type of behavior (i.e., inciting an insurrection) is okay. But again, I wouldn't expect a terrorist sympathizer to understand.


Your response shows that you are ignorant of any understanding of impeachment - as I suspected.
In this situation (as was the case with the Ukraine impeachment) there is no treason., there is no bribery, there is no high crime.
Which leaves misdemeanors.
For those of us who actually understand that term and it's context as discussed at the time of it's writing - we know that it is also not relevant.

Democrats - some of them have even said this - seem to believe that impeachment is whatever the House decides is relevant. Procedurally that is true, but it is also entirely unconstitutional.


Leave it to jayram to lack self-awareness lol

The Founding Fathers who wrote the Constitution and their contemporaries disagree with you about the definition of "other high crimes and misdemeanors", but if you want to believe you know more about what they wrote than they did, then well, I can't help that level of delusion :lol:

I'll give you a hint though: "other high crimes and misdemeanors" aren't tied to criminal law or statutes and are closer to breaching or eroding public trust in the office and the president's ability to maintain that public trust, thus the House has wide latitude for deciding an impeachable offense, thus your whole unconstitutional angle is meaningless.
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Re: American Politics

Postby jayramfootball » Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:50 pm

LMAO wrote:
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LMAO wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
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LMAO wrote:Liz Cheney will vote to impeach Trump tomorrow, becoming the highest ranking (#3) House Republican so far to come out in favor and the second House Republican after John Katko. Like rats fleeing a sinking ship.

Saw somewhere that said: "The first impeachment was an indictment of Trump. The second impeachment is an indictment of the Republican Party."

Had the GOP voted to impeach (other than Amash before he jumped ship and joined the Libertarians) and convict (other than Romney) Trump last year, most of this could've been prevented.

Need to also throw Section 3 of the 14th Amendment at the 139 Representatives and 8 Senators who went along with this massive voter fraud charade by voting against the presidential certification.


Couldn't impeach him while he was in power so now they just want to give him a kick out the door .......... he already lost the election, they're only doing this now because his power base has fallen out from under him.

He's out the door whenever you guys get round eventually to crowning Biden.

See how nonsense your system is, how can a guy win an election but the other guy stays in power for months? what if Trump tried to push through loads of last orders because he knew he wasn't coming back?

Ridiculous system, just like your country.


It is a terrible system. Over 2 months from an election to the winner taking office.
As we saw in 2016, all kinds of havoc can be set up to 'welcome' the new administration.
It'll probably be the same this time around.

As for Democrats and Republicans pushing impeachment with literally 7 days left of the term, it's not only stupid it also sets an amazingly bad precedent. Now impeachment is apparently for the actions of your supporters - bizarre.
I bet not one of them - and very few in this thread - actually understand what impeachment is supposed to be for.


And another idiotic statement from our esteemed enlightened centrist.

"The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors."

If they don't impeach Trump, then it just signals that this type of behavior (i.e., inciting an insurrection) is okay. But again, I wouldn't expect a terrorist sympathizer to understand.


Your response shows that you are ignorant of any understanding of impeachment - as I suspected.
In this situation (as was the case with the Ukraine impeachment) there is no treason., there is no bribery, there is no high crime.
Which leaves misdemeanors.
For those of us who actually understand that term and it's context as discussed at the time of it's writing - we know that it is also not relevant.

Democrats - some of them have even said this - seem to believe that impeachment is whatever the House decides is relevant. Procedurally that is true, but it is also entirely unconstitutional.


Leave it to jayram to lack self-awareness lol

The Founding Fathers who wrote the Constitution and their contemporaries disagree with you about the definition of "other high crimes and misdemeanors", but if you want to believe you know more about what they wrote than they did, then well, I can't help that level of delusion :lol:

I'll give you a hint though: "other high crimes and misdemeanors" aren't tied to criminal law or statutes and are closer to breaching or eroding public trust in the office and the president's ability to maintain that public trust, thus the House has wide latitude for deciding an impeachable offense, thus your whole unconstitutional angle is meaningless.


You're ignorant of the entire debate to get to the wording. Not surprised. I love the irony, though.

The founding fathers wanted to explicitly move away from any term that was too vague and would lead to a situation where - as stated by Madison, "So vague a term will be equivalent to a tenure during pleasure of the Senate."

Their intent that Congress would not have such power was clear - and fully documented.

The original term proposed was "maladministration" and it was not accepted precisely because it was too broad a term.

That is where the language of 'high crimes & misdemeanors' came from. It was taken from the British and was not intended at all to be a broad brush that could be used so easily.

The Democrats set an awful precedent with the last impeachment and now they are making it even worse.
Fools - and the uneducated on the subject (like yourself) will just go along with it because it suits your ideological extremism in the here and now - but it is utterly without thought to the intent of the impeachment criteria.

It's correct to say it is not a legal standard, but there is clearly a standard and, frankly, I will leave it to the lunatic left to try and explain how questioning an election result is an impeachable offence.
Founders would be rolling over in their graves if they could hear the word salads and mental gymnastics the lunatic left use to justify their actions.
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Re: American Politics

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Re: American Politics

Postby jayramfootball » Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:22 pm

The lunatics have taken over the asylum
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Re: American Politics

Postby themessiah » Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:23 pm

This is shambles and a witch hunt they just don’t want trump to run again in 4 years you chicken buttercups they could of leave it alone okay I will what to know what Biden will do if he remembers he’s President and Harris has no clue anyways.

good luck America

The witch hunt continues so be afraid of what’s going to happen in 4 yrs you spend 4 yrs trying to destroy Trump too bad it wasn’t used to help your people that are sleeping out on the street and using the bathroom on your sidewalks.well enjoy your high dollar designer ice cream.

The next four years will be a debacle that will be the Biden admin. China will move on Taiwan, Iran is going to advance on Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States, North Korea is getting ready to build up, ect all. Bad times are a head for the world which will result in Biden getting you into WARS or taking a knee.
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Re: American Politics

Postby EliteKiller » Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:37 pm

Political trials never end well - most civil wars start this way. The US will disappear up it's own arse if it keeps going down this path ....

Safe bet that politicians will now collude to bloke Trump standing in 2024 - how will 70m voters feel about that?

The voters had already rejected Trump, by turning a protest into a political witch-hunt that 'win' has been negated - Trump was a narcissistic tool whose fifteen minutes was almost over, only for Pelosi to put him and his policies back front and centre - you just can't cure stupid.
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Re: American Politics

Postby Jedi » Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:18 pm

jayramfootball wrote:The lunatics have taken over the asylum
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You've become a mod on GW?
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Re: American Politics

Postby UFGN » Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:44 am

Bill Clinton was a widely popular president, yet he was impeached for lying about getting a blowie. He was heavily criticised at the time, rightly, for using his power to garner sexual favours from a low-powered assistant. It arguably defined his presidency.

Trump on the other hand has bragged about such behaviour. Bragged about it with no shame. If Trump was impeached for what Clinton was impeached for, imagine the indignation from his supporters...... not for him the high standards expected of a president.

So spare me the witch-hunt bollocks. Trump is a disgrace and this is the very least he deserves.
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Re: American Politics

Postby EliteKiller » Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:16 am

So instead of the Senate rapidly approving Biden's cabinet team they will now spend the first weeks of the Biden presidency trying to impeach an ex-president ... meanwhile 3,000 people a day will die of Covid and the economy will remain stalled ....

Yup top political leadership once again being demonstrated just to score a meaningless political point ... guess people who care more about their woke appearance than the good of the common man will be happy .... sadly as always whilst the millionaire politicians play bobby-big-bollocks it's the less fortunate who will bear the brunt.
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Re: American Politics

Postby Va-Va-Voom » Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:31 am

EliteKiller wrote:So instead of the Senate rapidly approving Biden's cabinet team they will now spend the first weeks of the Biden presidency trying to impeach an ex-president ... meanwhile 3,000 people a day will die of Covid and the economy will remain stalled ....

Yup top political leadership once again being demonstrated just to score a meaningless political point ... guess people who care more about their woke appearance than the good of the common man will be happy .... sadly as always whilst the millionaire politicians play bobby-big-bollocks it's the less fortunate who will bear the brunt.


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Re: American Politics

Postby LMAO » Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:43 am

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More impeachments than terms. Responsible for half of the presidential impeachments. Most bipartisan impeachment ever. Trump really has been a record setter.

Trump actually got himself impeached twice for trying to stop a Biden presidency. Gahdamn.

After Ossoff and Warnock are seated on the 19th, making Schumer majority leader, hopefully the Senate can bifurcate and have the trial during one half of the day and conduct other business—confirming Biden's cabinet, COVID relief, and other aspects of Biden's first 100 day agenda—during the other half.
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Re: American Politics

Postby EliteKiller » Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:13 am

LMAO wrote:
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More impeachments than terms. Responsible for half of the presidential impeachments. Most bipartisan impeachment ever. Trump really has been a record setter.

Trump actually got himself impeached twice for trying to stop a Biden presidency. Gahdamn.

After Ossoff and Warnock are seated on the 19th, making Schumer majority leader, hopefully the Senate can bifurcate and have the trial during one half of the day and conduct other business—confirming Biden's cabinet, COVID relief, and other aspects of Biden's first 100 day agenda—during the other half.


or Pelosi just sits on it for 100 days and then sends it to the Senate - it's purely political once Trump is no longer President so no great rush as in real life nothing changes until 2024 when Trump will be barred from standing. Cue more civil disorder ....
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Re: American Politics

Postby Phil71 » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:42 am

You'd think with everything going on like COVID, a struggling economy and the impending inauguration of a new President, Pelosi and her cohorts would have put their childish persecution of Trump aside and focused on those things.

Instead they're just throwing fuel on the fire and continuing the division and unrest.
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Re: American Politics

Postby jayramfootball » Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:48 pm

Phil71 wrote:You'd think with everything going on like COVID, a struggling economy and the impending inauguration of a new President, Pelosi and her cohorts would have put their childish persecution of Trump aside and focused on those things.

Instead they're just throwing fuel on the fire and continuing the division and unrest.


Quite amazing how fast the House can move when they have a divisive political agenda to push. Months to get a Covid relief package sorted out, days to push this snip. Literally spitting in the faces of the people. I think Democrats have got to the stage now where they don't care about how this all looks to the average Joe. I mean why would they? If they can impeach Presidents and socially exile people for questioning an election result, they can get away with anything.

In this case, they have started early to undermine the 2024 elections. Got to give them some credit for being so organised in their efforts - even if it is organised election interference. They already undermined the 2016 elections and have yet to answer (probably never will) for 1000's of pages of sworn affidavits on election fraud in the 2020 elections.

Got to pity the US citizens - with these radicals in charge of all 3 branches next week, who knows what they will have to face. This version of the Democrat party surprises even me with how low they will go.
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