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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby VCC » Wed Nov 25, 2020 4:14 am

Dont know why anyone talks up or wants to recall a player that made himself unavailable for away games, he is only then available for half a season.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby theHotHead » Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:53 am

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theHotHead wrote:Wait, you are saying creating chances is a bullshit stat ?!! Remind me how many goals we have scored this season, remind me how many chances we have created this season. Are you saying there is no link between the number of goals scored and the number of chances created ?

Think very carefully about your answer ....


Off course the more chances you create the better chance you have of scoring but chances alone means nothing.

It doesn't win you anything .... look at last season then look at final EPL positions

Man City 108 big chances created versus Liverpool's 88 - but Liverpool walked away with the title

Spurs 48 big chances created 6th place, Brighton 48 big chances created 15th place

Crystal Palace least big chances created with 33 finished 14th, whilst Watford who created 45 still got relegated

Creating chances is one thing but scoring them is what counts -

This season Spurs shots per game 12.8 - goals 21
Arsenal shots per game 9.1 - goals 9

If you don't convert your chances you will end up mid-table or worse ... just ask Watford.

EK at least you admitted the very clear and obvious connection between creating chances and scoring goals.

To address your main point about putting the chances away, your Spurs comparisons make another point - the quality of the strikers plays a big part. Spurs' strikers are miles better than Brighton's strikers.

What you are doing is inferring that it is LESS important to create the chances and MORE important to score them. No its not, the 2 are linked and will always be. Create more chances you score more goals, providing you have decent strikers. The 2 are as important as each other

How many times do we see promoted teams creating chances but their strikers are not that good and so squander far too many of them?!!
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby EliteKiller » Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:25 am

theHotHead wrote:EK at least you admitted the very clear and obvious connection between creating chances and scoring goals.

To address your main point about putting the chances away, your Spurs comparisons make another point - the quality of the strikers plays a big part. Spurs' strikers are miles better than Brighton's strikers.

What you are doing is inferring that it is LESS important to create the chances and MORE important to score them. No its not, the 2 are linked and will always be. Create more chances you score more goals, providing you have decent strikers. The 2 are as important as each other

How many times do we see promoted teams creating chances but their strikers are not that good and so squander far too many of them?!!


You clearly didn't read the comment in full ....

Watford created more chances last season than 7 other EPL sides - but they got relegated creating more chances did not lead to more goals.

Simply creating chances means absolutely nothing without players putting them in the net ....

Take the game against Leeds, for all the chances they created, if Saka had scored from our one decent chance late on we would have won ...

xG is a useful metric over time but in individual games it means very little ...

Take the game Spurs v Man City the xG was 0.69 v 2.10 ... that tells you that Man City had a three times greater chance of scoring than Spurs ... but was that actually true?

If you look at the data behind the xG from that game ...

Spurs only had five xG events the two goals both of which were .20 (ie likely to be scored just 1 in 5) and three more chances .17 .08 .04 so statistically unlikely to score more than one goal, yet they got two and could easily have had three.

City had 19 xG events the best was a 0.5 (scored 1 in 2) that was the late save from Lloris, all the other 18 were less than 1 in 7 chances

So even though City had by far the higher xG they only had one "good chance" whereas Spurs had three "half chances"

Over the season creating a lot of small chances, Liverpool had by far the most last season, will lead to goals ... but that's not the only way to win Spurs beat City by creating just three half chances and scoring two of them ... Leicester won a title by scoring from a ridiculously high percentage of their chances ... there's not just one way to win games.

Right now we are creating very few chances but what's far worse is even when we create a good chance we fail to score ... that will come right quality strikers don't suddenly stop scoring ... but it needs to happen soon, the NLD game would be a good start.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby theHotHead » Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:34 am

EK, lets simplify this, I see your point, but in the main, lets agree that the following is true:

If you create more chances you will score more goals.
If you have better strikers you will score more goals from the chances that are created.

Agreed ? Generally speaking of course. theese are not "catch-all" statements, but one can reasonably believe them to generally be true.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby jayramfootball » Sun Nov 29, 2020 9:34 pm

Ozil says hi.
No matter how bad it gets, at least we don't have to put up with Wenger anymore
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby gamechannel » Sun Nov 29, 2020 10:09 pm

jayramfootball wrote:Ozil says hi.


I bet he and his Mrs are gonna get it on extra hot tonight..
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby jayramfootball » Sun Nov 29, 2020 10:10 pm

gamechannel wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:Ozil says hi.


I bet he and his Mrs are gonna get it on extra hot tonight..


He'll be too busy laughing at Billy Big Bollocks Arteta.
No matter how bad it gets, at least we don't have to put up with Wenger anymore
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby swipe right » Mon Nov 30, 2020 10:31 am

So here’s a question. If we hadn’t left Ozil out of the squad, you think Arteta would recall him at this point?
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby jayramfootball » Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:14 pm

swipe right wrote:So here’s a question. If we hadn’t left Ozil out of the squad, you think Arteta would recall him at this point?


Yes.
Whether he wanted to start Ozil in every game or not, it was an absolutely crazy decision to completely remove the option.
There are games where playing Ozil may not be the best choice - but those games are rare....away to teams where we know we will have limited possession and have to hold out for long periods.
No one in our squad is better at receiving the ball, linking play, picking the right pass/option, weighting passes, creating chances. No one - and it's not even close.
No matter how bad it gets, at least we don't have to put up with Wenger anymore
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby theHotHead » Mon Nov 30, 2020 2:00 pm

swipe right wrote:So here’s a question. If we hadn’t left Ozil out of the squad, you think Arteta would recall him at this point?

Yes. To be honest that is the one thing I give credit to Emery for, he swallowed his pride and went back to the Ozil well when things were not looking good. Admitting you made a mistake is far tougher than staying there staunchly denying one - when the ship is sinking around you.

But pride has screwed Arteta, that option is not there for him, unless he lasts to January and re-considers.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Özim » Mon Nov 30, 2020 2:31 pm

Arteta has brought this on himself, he’s stuck by and praised players like Xhaka, Mustafi and Luiz, he’s been reluctant or not played the likes of Martinelli, Pepe and Saliba and he totally left Ozil out (and Saliba of course).

These kind of things make him look incompetent, the double standards is unbelievable you just can’t have one rule for one and another one for others, it’s not good for squad harmony.

If he was doing everything he could and it wasn’t working I’d give him a break, but he’s not, far from it in fact so the sooner he’s out of here the better.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby swipe right » Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:02 pm

Why would Ozil save Arteta his job? He knows he’s off in summer and he’d rather stick it to Arteta.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby jayramfootball » Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:10 pm

swipe right wrote:Why would Ozil save Arteta his job? He knows he’s off in summer and he’d rather stick it to Arteta.


I think Ozil would play the second half of the season and do his best.
I doubt he wants to 'stick it' to Arteta.

I don't think Arteta will last till the end of January, though.
No matter how bad it gets, at least we don't have to put up with Wenger anymore
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Ach » Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:21 pm

Arteta won't bring him back

New manager might though and Ozil will lead us to safety and hopefully a Europa League triumph before leaving in the summer
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby VCC » Mon Nov 30, 2020 7:24 pm

I must watch a fucken totally different Ozil lol
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