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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby theHotHead » Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:51 am

KG3 wrote:
swipe right wrote:Fabregas comes in at half time with Monaco trailing PSG 0-2. Gets a goal and an assist and ends the game 3-2. His legs are gone, he’s over the hill. But his experience and quality puts PSG to the sword. Why can’t we use Ozil this way?
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Because Fabregas is a superior player to Ozil and always had been, Fabregas was all action type wasn’t afraid to get stuck in, could pick a pass out from deep, runs into the box, scores and assists.

Ozil on the other hand is a limited player afraid to put a foot in, afraid to shoot, can’t dictate a game from a deep area like Fabregas. Ozil will hang around up top waiting for a counter attack and provide the assist that’s about it.

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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Dejan » Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:01 pm

Cesc the absolute goat

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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Marsbar100 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:07 pm

Cesc was another level
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Ach » Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:18 pm

Cesc was never at the level Ozil reached lol

How is this even a debate?
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby jayramfootball » Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:41 pm

Willian - plays sh*t, bunks off to Dubai without telling the club... Arteta ... all is ok we've dealt with it internally.
Ozil - trains hard and shows his creative class as well as putting more running than 95% of any other player in the vast majority of the games he plays... Arteta... you're banished from the club.

Ah, favourites and bullying - the hallmark of Arteta's early management style.
No matter how bad it gets, at least we don't have to put up with Wenger anymore
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby aniym » Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:30 pm

starmandb wrote:Özil was superb when we were 2-0 down at Ludogorets in 16/17
Provided an assist for Xhaka and scored the winner. Lobbing the keeper and making two defenders have to pay to get back in again before finishing


He schooled them that day. But it was still Ludogorets, a team we hit 6 against in the first leg, where Ozil got a hattrick. Being down 2-0 to them a week later is Arsenal being Arsenal, not because they're strong opposition.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby KG3 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:10 pm

If you deny Fabregas was better you were either too young to watch him during his Arsenal time or still bitter about him leaving and eventually playing for Chelsea.

I hate fabregas like I hate Ashley Cole but that doesn’t stop me from admitting he’s the best creative mid we’ve ever had, just as Cole is the best LB we’ve ever had.

You people need to learn to separate your feelings from you judgement.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby theHotHead » Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:34 pm

What feelings? You lot that hate Cesc are weirdos! Most of you hated him because he left Arsenal and then because he went to Barca. He wanted to come back to Arsenal, Wenger didn't want him, so he went to Chelsea. Him going to Chelsea isn't the reason you hate him but it cements your reasoning - in your mind.

I don't hate any player just because they leave Arsenal, I don't hate RVP, Nasri or Ashley Cole. I don't even hate Adebayor. All this Judas bollox, its nonsense.

On the topic of Ozil vs Fabregas, both played different roles in different eras at the club. The Fabregas era had far better players. As a direct comparison it doesn't work but when you look at the numbers Ozil posted during the Ozil era it stands up to Fabregas' relatively speaking - i.e in spite of the drop in quality of rhe Arsenal squad.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby jayramfootball » Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:38 pm

Ozil is a class above Fabregas.
Febregas was an excellent player, but there are only a few players that fit into the truly great player bracket - Ozil is one of them.
Very few players in history could match Ozils vision, or weight of pass. Fagregas didn't.
Where Fabregas was better was as a goal threat.
The only player we have ever had who had more talent than Ozil was Bergkamp.
No matter how bad it gets, at least we don't have to put up with Wenger anymore
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Ach » Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:42 pm

Never hated adebayor or nasri.

Cesc and RVP can f**k themselves.

Cole is self explanatory
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Marsbar100 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:46 pm

Wasn't cesc fault Wenger turned him down
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Angelito » Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:48 pm

KG3 wrote:If you deny Fabregas was better you were either too young to watch him during his Arsenal time or still bitter about him leaving and eventually playing for Chelsea.

I hate fabregas like I hate Ashley Cole but that doesn’t stop me from admitting he’s the best creative mid we’ve ever had, just as Cole is the best LB we’ve ever had.

You people need to learn to separate your feelings from you judgement.


Nah.

Value judgment is coming into play here. When Cesc was our main man, Wenger was in his prime; we were playing the best football in Europe; for many, we were the hipster team. There was hope. There was nativity.

That automatically makes us recall those days with zeal and nostalgia.

Cesc played with Henry, Gilberto, Pires, Ljungberg, Bergkamp, Hleb, Rosicky, van Persie, Arshavin, Adebayor, and Nasri.

Ozil played with Alexis, Giroud, Cazorla, Walcott, Ramsey, Xhaka, Auba, et. al. Apart from Alexis, none of them are in the same league.

If you're going to compare, you have to be objective. Messi, despite being the greatest of all time, arguably, dragged Argentina to 3x finals, but couldn't take them over the line. At Barca, he was winning stuffs at a canter. We didn't even win anything in those Cesc years.

Direct comparison works when supporting actors are on even footing, which is why Messi v Ron is a fair analysis, but Henry v Benzema isn't.

Wenger was the greatest walking manager until 2012. He absolutely overachieved whether it was the Cesc years or the Ozil years. But back during Cesc's time here, we always had hope. We believed in an Arsenal renaissance. The Ozil years was filled with negativity, and a grumbling discontent towards Wenger and how things were at Arsenal, which is why people recall the Cesc years in a more positive way.

Cesc is the closest we have had to an Arsenal legend since the Highbury guys. He came here when he was 16. Became a regular at 18. Was captain by 21. Absolutely bossed games. And, then he left. It was an unfulfilled journey, which is why people reframe his legacy and caliber. There was so much good about Arsenal there and hindsight only serves to polish the spark.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby aniym » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:38 pm

Marsbar100 wrote:Wasn't cesc fault Wenger turned him down


I can't blame Wenger for not re-signing him. We had Cazorla and Ozil in 2014 and that money rightly went towards buying Alexis.

Only via a magic 8 ball could we have known that Cazorla would have a serious injury and that Ozils peak would be so short-lived.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Ach » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:39 pm

Didn't want Cesc back. Why would anyone after how he left?
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Power n Glory » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:53 pm

aniym wrote:
Marsbar100 wrote:Wasn't cesc fault Wenger turned him down


I can't blame Wenger for not re-signing him. We had Cazorla and Ozil in 2014 and that money rightly went towards buying Alexis.

Only via a magic 8 ball could we have known that Cazorla would have a serious injury and that Ozils peak would be so short-lived.


Wenger was using Cazorla to play on the wing at that time which was a waste of his talent. Took injuries to Ramsey, Wilshere and Ozil for Wenger to play him as a CM.

We would have seen the best of Ozil earlier if he had given up the ghost on Ramsey and Wilshere much sooner and bought Cesc back.
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