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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Ach » Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:17 pm

Former Arsenal great Cesc Fabregas admits Gunners manager Mikel Arteta is under pressure and needs to string some results together. (90min)


Arsenal great lol

But yeah he's right.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby EliteKiller » Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:04 am

Problem for Arteta (and Emery) was that they inherited a very broken squad loaded down with overpaid under-performing dross, add to that the number of ageing players on huge salaries and it was a near impossible task. It hasn't helped that yet more average dross has been added since and that yet more ageing players have been given huge salaries, the reality is brutal ...

What experienced superstar player who can earn 250k a week anywhere wants to join a mid-table squad, where he will be earning less than guys running down their contracts? What young superstar will want to play for a mid-table squad unless it's just a loan season in the EPL shop window, what emerging talent will want to join mid-table squad where he knows that ageing overpaid players are going to limit his playing time ... what juniors sees Arsenal as the top side we were twenty years ago?

The club is rotten, Arteta can't fix that however good he might be, for several years we have entered every transfer window saying the same thing - we must get rid of the dross before we can start moving forward - but we never do ...

This summer we must shift - Mustafi - Sokratis - Luiz - Soares - Ozil - Willian - Auba - and if we don't want them or they won't extend contracts add to that list Laca - Nketiah - Chambers - Kolasniac - Elneny - Bellerin - AMN - Wilock - Nelson - ESM

Sounds ridiculous doesn't it but it's the mess we've got ourselves into and it needs fixing, if we don't then we will just bump along as we have been for five years, slowly going backwards.

Can't be done? Spurs have shifted out 9 players in two years, Liverpool 13, and Chelsea 15 .... it can be done, and it needs to be done ....

Until the club takes action on the contract shambles we've been stuck with since Arsene, then no manager, Arteta included, has a hope in hell of making us into a realistic title or CL contender, not a freckin' prayer.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby swipe right » Sun Nov 15, 2020 1:00 am

Why hasn’t Arteta invited Jack to train with us? It’s the right thing to do.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby gamechannel » Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:31 am

EliteKiller wrote:Problem for Arteta (and Emery) was that they inherited a very broken squad loaded down with overpaid under-performing dross, add to that the number of ageing players on huge salaries and it was a near impossible task. It hasn't helped that yet more average dross has been added since and that yet more ageing players have been given huge salaries, the reality is brutal ...

What experienced superstar player who can earn 250k a week anywhere wants to join a mid-table squad, where he will be earning less than guys running down their contracts? What young superstar will want to play for a mid-table squad unless it's just a loan season in the EPL shop window, what emerging talent will want to join mid-table squad where he knows that ageing overpaid players are going to limit his playing time ... what juniors sees Arsenal as the top side we were twenty years ago?

The club is rotten, Arteta can't fix that however good he might be, for several years we have entered every transfer window saying the same thing - we must get rid of the dross before we can start moving forward - but we never do ...

This summer we must shift - Mustafi - Sokratis - Luiz - Soares - Ozil - Willian - Auba - and if we don't want them or they won't extend contracts add to that list Laca - Nketiah - Chambers - Kolasniac - Elneny - Bellerin - AMN - Wilock - Nelson - ESM

Sounds ridiculous doesn't it but it's the mess we've got ourselves into and it needs fixing, if we don't then we will just bump along as we have been for five years, slowly going backwards.

Can't be done? Spurs have shifted out 9 players in two years, Liverpool 13, and Chelsea 15 .... it can be done, and it needs to be done ....

Until the club takes action on the contract shambles we've been stuck with since Arsene, then no manager, Arteta included, has a hope in hell of making us into a realistic title or CL contender, not a freckin' prayer.


I agree that the club needs major fixing. But part of the mess is directly Artetas fault. I just wish people would stop blaming Wenger for the mess we are in. Dudes been gone for 2.5 years and people still blame him for our shit squad whereas reality is different.

Emery was backed by the board. As has Arteta. Both made questionable decisions on the squad. Arteta, for example:
- Extensions for Mari, Cedric and Luiz
- Extension for Auba
- Purchases of Partey and Gabriel
- Signing of Willian.
- Renewing Cebellos' Loan deal

I find it funny when people say Arteta is still dealing with Wengers deadwood. Its completely ridiculous. The holdovers from Wengers time here are:

- Auba (key player whos contract was renewed under Arteta)
- Lacazette (Arteta wants him to be extended. Refused an offer from Roma this summer)
- Xhaka (Arteta loves him AND he got extended AFTER wenger left)
- El Neny (Arteta likes him and wants to extend him. The club didn't sell him in the summer despite there being interest in his services)
- AMN (There was a good offer on the table in the summer but the Arteta didn't want him sold).
- Bellerin (The fact that Arteta plays him over AMN AND Cedric, both players Arteta wanted to keep should tell you that Arteta values him)
- Mustafi (another player who Arteta likes and offered him a new deal recently)
- Kolasinac (Didnt sell him this summer despite there being an offer shows Arteta wanted to keep him around)
- Holding (plays over Mustafi and Luiz, both players Arteta likes so clearly Arteta likes him)
- Chambers (The club didn't sell him after Wenger left even though there was an offer on the table for him).
- Saka (Probably our best player)
- Willock (Fans actually want him to play more!)
- ESR (Same as Willock)

All of Wenger's alleged deadwood players are actually valued by the current manager. If anything, the current regime has actually ADDED to the dead weight, including:
- Willian
- Cedric
- Mari
- Luiz
- Pepe (Arguably)
- Saliba (Arguably cuz Mikel the genuis doesn't rate him)

So really, all this alleged Wenger-Era dead weight people keep talking about is all bunch of horseshit. The irony is, most of the players gotten rid of in the last 2 windows by Arsenal so far are the ones that were brought in AFTER Wenger left or were actually valuable players from Wengers reign that have not been replaced or replaced with mediocre replacements or equal but expensive upgrades.

- Torreira
- Guendouzi
- Martinez
- Wilshere
- Ramsey
- Sokratis
- Lichtsteiner
- Kolscielny
- Cazorla
- Iwobi

The club is rotten but Arteta is not free from blame. He has been responsible for playing favorites and was directly involved in adding to the deadweight this summer and wanting to keep the existing deadweight around.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby LMAO » Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:41 am

Ach wrote:Shame emery never got that from you. You turned on him after we won a game with a shit performance. We are still getting shit performances and we are losing yet Arteta gets a few more windows?


tbf I turned on Emery long before that, that game was the final straw.

And yes, because I can see that with more creative players, we'd be playing better football. Emery already had the pieces to attack and defend properly.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby EliteKiller » Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:56 am

gamechannel wrote:
EliteKiller wrote:Problem for Arteta (and Emery) was that they inherited a very broken squad loaded down with overpaid under-performing dross, add to that the number of ageing players on huge salaries and it was a near impossible task. It hasn't helped that yet more average dross has been added since and that yet more ageing players have been given huge salaries, the reality is brutal ...

What experienced superstar player who can earn 250k a week anywhere wants to join a mid-table squad, where he will be earning less than guys running down their contracts? What young superstar will want to play for a mid-table squad unless it's just a loan season in the EPL shop window, what emerging talent will want to join mid-table squad where he knows that ageing overpaid players are going to limit his playing time ... what juniors sees Arsenal as the top side we were twenty years ago?

The club is rotten, Arteta can't fix that however good he might be, for several years we have entered every transfer window saying the same thing - we must get rid of the dross before we can start moving forward - but we never do ...

This summer we must shift - Mustafi - Sokratis - Luiz - Soares - Ozil - Willian - Auba - and if we don't want them or they won't extend contracts add to that list Laca - Nketiah - Chambers - Kolasniac - Elneny - Bellerin - AMN - Wilock - Nelson - ESM

Sounds ridiculous doesn't it but it's the mess we've got ourselves into and it needs fixing, if we don't then we will just bump along as we have been for five years, slowly going backwards.

Can't be done? Spurs have shifted out 9 players in two years, Liverpool 13, and Chelsea 15 .... it can be done, and it needs to be done ....

Until the club takes action on the contract shambles we've been stuck with since Arsene, then no manager, Arteta included, has a hope in hell of making us into a realistic title or CL contender, not a freckin' prayer.


I agree that the club needs major fixing. But part of the mess is directly Artetas fault. I just wish people would stop blaming Wenger for the mess we are in. Dudes been gone for 2.5 years and people still blame him for our shit squad whereas reality is different.

Emery was backed by the board. As has Arteta. Both made questionable decisions on the squad. Arteta, for example:
- Extensions for Mari, Cedric and Luiz
- Extension for Auba
- Purchases of Partey and Gabriel
- Signing of Willian.
- Renewing Cebellos' Loan deal

I find it funny when people say Arteta is still dealing with Wengers deadwood. Its completely ridiculous. The holdovers from Wengers time here are:

- Auba (key player whos contract was renewed under Arteta)
- Lacazette (Arteta wants him to be extended. Refused an offer from Roma this summer)
- Xhaka (Arteta loves him AND he got extended AFTER wenger left)
- El Neny (Arteta likes him and wants to extend him. The club didn't sell him in the summer despite there being interest in his services)
- AMN (There was a good offer on the table in the summer but the Arteta didn't want him sold).
- Bellerin (The fact that Arteta plays him over AMN AND Cedric, both players Arteta wanted to keep should tell you that Arteta values him)
- Mustafi (another player who Arteta likes and offered him a new deal recently)
- Kolasinac (Didnt sell him this summer despite there being an offer shows Arteta wanted to keep him around)
- Holding (plays over Mustafi and Luiz, both players Arteta likes so clearly Arteta likes him)
- Chambers (The club didn't sell him after Wenger left even though there was an offer on the table for him).
- Saka (Probably our best player)
- Willock (Fans actually want him to play more!)
- ESR (Same as Willock)

All of Wenger's alleged deadwood players are actually valued by the current manager. If anything, the current regime has actually ADDED to the dead weight, including:
- Willian
- Cedric
- Mari
- Luiz
- Pepe (Arguably)
- Saliba (Arguably cuz Mikel the genuis doesn't rate him)

So really, all this alleged Wenger-Era dead weight people keep talking about is all bunch of horseshit. The irony is, most of the players gotten rid of in the last 2 windows by Arsenal so far are the ones that were brought in AFTER Wenger left or were actually valuable players from Wengers reign that have not been replaced or replaced with mediocre replacements or equal but expensive upgrades.

- Torreira
- Guendouzi
- Martinez
- Wilshere
- Ramsey
- Sokratis
- Lichtsteiner
- Kolscielny
- Cazorla
- Iwobi

The club is rotten but Arteta is not free from blame. He has been responsible for playing favorites and was directly involved in adding to the deadweight this summer and wanting to keep the existing deadweight around.


I get your response but you're simply missing the point ....

Gazidis and Arsenal created a culture at Arsenal based on their 'belief' in where football was going, Kroenke bought into that horseshit .... to deny that legacy is ridiculous.

You can't change that culture, a culture broadly based on five year contracts, in just two years. What's annoying is that we've hardly tried, as tired old players finally end their contracts, we just get in more tired old players to replace them .... we never learn.

But that culture should be ending, there is a whole bunch of stupidly expensive contracts that can be gotten rid of this summer - the question as always is will we?
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby swipe right » Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:20 am

gamechannel wrote:
EliteKiller wrote:Problem for Arteta (and Emery) was that they inherited a very broken squad loaded down with overpaid under-performing dross, add to that the number of ageing players on huge salaries and it was a near impossible task. It hasn't helped that yet more average dross has been added since and that yet more ageing players have been given huge salaries, the reality is brutal ...

What experienced superstar player who can earn 250k a week anywhere wants to join a mid-table squad, where he will be earning less than guys running down their contracts? What young superstar will want to play for a mid-table squad unless it's just a loan season in the EPL shop window, what emerging talent will want to join mid-table squad where he knows that ageing overpaid players are going to limit his playing time ... what juniors sees Arsenal as the top side we were twenty years ago?

The club is rotten, Arteta can't fix that however good he might be, for several years we have entered every transfer window saying the same thing - we must get rid of the dross before we can start moving forward - but we never do ...

This summer we must shift - Mustafi - Sokratis - Luiz - Soares - Ozil - Willian - Auba - and if we don't want them or they won't extend contracts add to that list Laca - Nketiah - Chambers - Kolasniac - Elneny - Bellerin - AMN - Wilock - Nelson - ESM

Sounds ridiculous doesn't it but it's the mess we've got ourselves into and it needs fixing, if we don't then we will just bump along as we have been for five years, slowly going backwards.

Can't be done? Spurs have shifted out 9 players in two years, Liverpool 13, and Chelsea 15 .... it can be done, and it needs to be done ....

Until the club takes action on the contract shambles we've been stuck with since Arsene, then no manager, Arteta included, has a hope in hell of making us into a realistic title or CL contender, not a freckin' prayer.


I agree that the club needs major fixing. But part of the mess is directly Artetas fault. I just wish people would stop blaming Wenger for the mess we are in. Dudes been gone for 2.5 years and people still blame him for our shit squad whereas reality is different.

Emery was backed by the board. As has Arteta. Both made questionable decisions on the squad. Arteta, for example:
- Extensions for Mari, Cedric and Luiz
- Extension for Auba
- Purchases of Partey and Gabriel
- Signing of Willian.
- Renewing Cebellos' Loan deal

I find it funny when people say Arteta is still dealing with Wengers deadwood. Its completely ridiculous. The holdovers from Wengers time here are:

- Auba (key player whos contract was renewed under Arteta)
- Lacazette (Arteta wants him to be extended. Refused an offer from Roma this summer)
- Xhaka (Arteta loves him AND he got extended AFTER wenger left)
- El Neny (Arteta likes him and wants to extend him. The club didn't sell him in the summer despite there being interest in his services)
- AMN (There was a good offer on the table in the summer but the Arteta didn't want him sold).
- Bellerin (The fact that Arteta plays him over AMN AND Cedric, both players Arteta wanted to keep should tell you that Arteta values him)
- Mustafi (another player who Arteta likes and offered him a new deal recently)
- Kolasinac (Didnt sell him this summer despite there being an offer shows Arteta wanted to keep him around)
- Holding (plays over Mustafi and Luiz, both players Arteta likes so clearly Arteta likes him)
- Chambers (The club didn't sell him after Wenger left even though there was an offer on the table for him).
- Saka (Probably our best player)
- Willock (Fans actually want him to play more!)
- ESR (Same as Willock)

All of Wenger's alleged deadwood players are actually valued by the current manager. If anything, the current regime has actually ADDED to the dead weight, including:
- Willian
- Cedric
- Mari
- Luiz
- Pepe (Arguably)
- Saliba (Arguably cuz Mikel the genuis doesn't rate him)

So really, all this alleged Wenger-Era dead weight people keep talking about is all bunch of horseshit. The irony is, most of the players gotten rid of in the last 2 windows by Arsenal so far are the ones that were brought in AFTER Wenger left or were actually valuable players from Wengers reign that have not been replaced or replaced with mediocre replacements or equal but expensive upgrades.

- Torreira
- Guendouzi
- Martinez
- Wilshere
- Ramsey
- Sokratis
- Lichtsteiner
- Kolscielny
- Cazorla
- Iwobi

The club is rotten but Arteta is not free from blame. He has been responsible for playing favorites and was directly involved in adding to the deadweight this summer and wanting to keep the existing deadweight around.

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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Power n Glory » Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:44 am

gamechannel wrote:
EliteKiller wrote:Problem for Arteta (and Emery) was that they inherited a very broken squad loaded down with overpaid under-performing dross, add to that the number of ageing players on huge salaries and it was a near impossible task. It hasn't helped that yet more average dross has been added since and that yet more ageing players have been given huge salaries, the reality is brutal ...

What experienced superstar player who can earn 250k a week anywhere wants to join a mid-table squad, where he will be earning less than guys running down their contracts? What young superstar will want to play for a mid-table squad unless it's just a loan season in the EPL shop window, what emerging talent will want to join mid-table squad where he knows that ageing overpaid players are going to limit his playing time ... what juniors sees Arsenal as the top side we were twenty years ago?

The club is rotten, Arteta can't fix that however good he might be, for several years we have entered every transfer window saying the same thing - we must get rid of the dross before we can start moving forward - but we never do ...

This summer we must shift - Mustafi - Sokratis - Luiz - Soares - Ozil - Willian - Auba - and if we don't want them or they won't extend contracts add to that list Laca - Nketiah - Chambers - Kolasniac - Elneny - Bellerin - AMN - Wilock - Nelson - ESM

Sounds ridiculous doesn't it but it's the mess we've got ourselves into and it needs fixing, if we don't then we will just bump along as we have been for five years, slowly going backwards.

Can't be done? Spurs have shifted out 9 players in two years, Liverpool 13, and Chelsea 15 .... it can be done, and it needs to be done ....

Until the club takes action on the contract shambles we've been stuck with since Arsene, then no manager, Arteta included, has a hope in hell of making us into a realistic title or CL contender, not a freckin' prayer.


I agree that the club needs major fixing. But part of the mess is directly Artetas fault. I just wish people would stop blaming Wenger for the mess we are in. Dudes been gone for 2.5 years and people still blame him for our shit squad whereas reality is different.

Emery was backed by the board. As has Arteta. Both made questionable decisions on the squad. Arteta, for example:
- Extensions for Mari, Cedric and Luiz
- Extension for Auba
- Purchases of Partey and Gabriel
- Signing of Willian.
- Renewing Cebellos' Loan deal

I find it funny when people say Arteta is still dealing with Wengers deadwood. Its completely ridiculous. The holdovers from Wengers time here are:

- Auba (key player whos contract was renewed under Arteta)
- Lacazette (Arteta wants him to be extended. Refused an offer from Roma this summer)
- Xhaka (Arteta loves him AND he got extended AFTER wenger left)
- El Neny (Arteta likes him and wants to extend him. The club didn't sell him in the summer despite there being interest in his services)
- AMN (There was a good offer on the table in the summer but the Arteta didn't want him sold).
- Bellerin (The fact that Arteta plays him over AMN AND Cedric, both players Arteta wanted to keep should tell you that Arteta values him)
- Mustafi (another player who Arteta likes and offered him a new deal recently)
- Kolasinac (Didnt sell him this summer despite there being an offer shows Arteta wanted to keep him around)
- Holding (plays over Mustafi and Luiz, both players Arteta likes so clearly Arteta likes him)
- Chambers (The club didn't sell him after Wenger left even though there was an offer on the table for him).
- Saka (Probably our best player)
- Willock (Fans actually want him to play more!)
- ESR (Same as Willock)

All of Wenger's alleged deadwood players are actually valued by the current manager. If anything, the current regime has actually ADDED to the dead weight, including:
- Willian
- Cedric
- Mari
- Luiz
- Pepe (Arguably)
- Saliba (Arguably cuz Mikel the genuis doesn't rate him)

So really, all this alleged Wenger-Era dead weight people keep talking about is all bunch of horseshit. The irony is, most of the players gotten rid of in the last 2 windows by Arsenal so far are the ones that were brought in AFTER Wenger left or were actually valuable players from Wengers reign that have not been replaced or replaced with mediocre replacements or equal but expensive upgrades.

- Torreira
- Guendouzi
- Martinez
- Wilshere
- Ramsey
- Sokratis
- Lichtsteiner
- Kolscielny
- Cazorla
- Iwobi

The club is rotten but Arteta is not free from blame. He has been responsible for playing favorites and was directly involved in adding to the deadweight this summer and wanting to keep the existing deadweight around.


Good points made. No divorcing Wenger and Gazidis from what was left behind but Emery and Arteta have made their own mistakes and created new dilemmas.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby theHotHead » Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:10 pm

Angelito wrote:
Angelito wrote:Interesting big chances created stats since the season we missed out on UCL football (16/17):

16/17

1. City ~ 77
2. United ~ 62
3. Arsenal ~ 55

17/18 (Wenger's last season)

1. City ~ 91
2. Arsenal ~ 81
3. Liverpool ~ 78

18/19 (Emery's first season)

1. City ~ 101
2. Chelsea ~ 81
3. Liverpool ~ 78
..
5. Arsenal ~ 72

19/20

1. City ~ 108
2. Liverpool ~ 88
3. Chelsea ~ 74
..
12. Arsenal ~ 48

20/21 (so far)

1. Spurs ~ 21
2. Villa ~ 18
3. Liverpool ~ 17
..
10. Arsenal ~ 8


Updated after 8 games.

I don't know how Arteta plans to resolve this deficiency. It does hurt that we don't have a CAM but even with a CAM, if the system is so rigid and static, I can't see us turning up the heat any time soon.

Mate chances created is a stat created by Ozil fans that favour Ozil. Why are you using them for this point?
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby theHotHead » Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:16 pm

gamechannel wrote:
I agree that the club needs major fixing. But part of the mess is directly Artetas fault. I just wish people would stop blaming Wenger for the mess we are in. Dudes been gone for 2.5 years and people still blame him for our shit squad whereas reality is different.

Emery was backed by the board. As has Arteta. Both made questionable decisions on the squad. Arteta, for example:
- Extensions for Mari, Cedric and Luiz
- Extension for Auba
- Purchases of Partey and Gabriel
- Signing of Willian.
- Renewing Cebellos' Loan deal

I find it funny when people say Arteta is still dealing with Wengers deadwood. Its completely ridiculous. The holdovers from Wengers time here are:

- Auba (key player whos contract was renewed under Arteta)
- Lacazette (Arteta wants him to be extended. Refused an offer from Roma this summer)
- Xhaka (Arteta loves him AND he got extended AFTER wenger left)
- El Neny (Arteta likes him and wants to extend him. The club didn't sell him in the summer despite there being interest in his services)
- AMN (There was a good offer on the table in the summer but the Arteta didn't want him sold).
- Bellerin (The fact that Arteta plays him over AMN AND Cedric, both players Arteta wanted to keep should tell you that Arteta values him)
- Mustafi (another player who Arteta likes and offered him a new deal recently)
- Kolasinac (Didnt sell him this summer despite there being an offer shows Arteta wanted to keep him around)
- Holding (plays over Mustafi and Luiz, both players Arteta likes so clearly Arteta likes him)
- Chambers (The club didn't sell him after Wenger left even though there was an offer on the table for him).
- Saka (Probably our best player)
- Willock (Fans actually want him to play more!)
- ESR (Same as Willock)

All of Wenger's alleged deadwood players are actually valued by the current manager. If anything, the current regime has actually ADDED to the dead weight, including:
- Willian
- Cedric
- Mari
- Luiz
- Pepe (Arguably)
- Saliba (Arguably cuz Mikel the genuis doesn't rate him)

So really, all this alleged Wenger-Era dead weight people keep talking about is all bunch of horseshit. The irony is, most of the players gotten rid of in the last 2 windows by Arsenal so far are the ones that were brought in AFTER Wenger left or were actually valuable players from Wengers reign that have not been replaced or replaced with mediocre replacements or equal but expensive upgrades.

- Torreira
- Guendouzi
- Martinez
- Wilshere
- Ramsey
- Sokratis
- Lichtsteiner
- Kolscielny
- Cazorla
- Iwobi

The club is rotten but Arteta is not free from blame. He has been responsible for playing favorites and was directly involved in adding to the deadweight this summer and wanting to keep the existing deadweight around.

Good post.

All Emery had to do was tighten up the defence, even a small improvement would have had big affects. He messed that up.

Arteta has come in and completely destroyed a perfectly good attack - in order to fix the defence.

Totally agree that neither manager can blame Wenger for their f**k ups!! It was idiocy from Emery and lunacy from Arteta.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby gamechannel » Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:15 pm

EliteKiller wrote:
gamechannel wrote:
EliteKiller wrote:Problem for Arteta (and Emery) was that they inherited a very broken squad loaded down with overpaid under-performing dross, add to that the number of ageing players on huge salaries and it was a near impossible task. It hasn't helped that yet more average dross has been added since and that yet more ageing players have been given huge salaries, the reality is brutal ...

What experienced superstar player who can earn 250k a week anywhere wants to join a mid-table squad, where he will be earning less than guys running down their contracts? What young superstar will want to play for a mid-table squad unless it's just a loan season in the EPL shop window, what emerging talent will want to join mid-table squad where he knows that ageing overpaid players are going to limit his playing time ... what juniors sees Arsenal as the top side we were twenty years ago?

The club is rotten, Arteta can't fix that however good he might be, for several years we have entered every transfer window saying the same thing - we must get rid of the dross before we can start moving forward - but we never do ...

This summer we must shift - Mustafi - Sokratis - Luiz - Soares - Ozil - Willian - Auba - and if we don't want them or they won't extend contracts add to that list Laca - Nketiah - Chambers - Kolasniac - Elneny - Bellerin - AMN - Wilock - Nelson - ESM

Sounds ridiculous doesn't it but it's the mess we've got ourselves into and it needs fixing, if we don't then we will just bump along as we have been for five years, slowly going backwards.

Can't be done? Spurs have shifted out 9 players in two years, Liverpool 13, and Chelsea 15 .... it can be done, and it needs to be done ....

Until the club takes action on the contract shambles we've been stuck with since Arsene, then no manager, Arteta included, has a hope in hell of making us into a realistic title or CL contender, not a freckin' prayer.


I agree that the club needs major fixing. But part of the mess is directly Artetas fault. I just wish people would stop blaming Wenger for the mess we are in. Dudes been gone for 2.5 years and people still blame him for our shit squad whereas reality is different.

Emery was backed by the board. As has Arteta. Both made questionable decisions on the squad. Arteta, for example:
- Extensions for Mari, Cedric and Luiz
- Extension for Auba
- Purchases of Partey and Gabriel
- Signing of Willian.
- Renewing Cebellos' Loan deal

I find it funny when people say Arteta is still dealing with Wengers deadwood. Its completely ridiculous. The holdovers from Wengers time here are:

- Auba (key player whos contract was renewed under Arteta)
- Lacazette (Arteta wants him to be extended. Refused an offer from Roma this summer)
- Xhaka (Arteta loves him AND he got extended AFTER wenger left)
- El Neny (Arteta likes him and wants to extend him. The club didn't sell him in the summer despite there being interest in his services)
- AMN (There was a good offer on the table in the summer but the Arteta didn't want him sold).
- Bellerin (The fact that Arteta plays him over AMN AND Cedric, both players Arteta wanted to keep should tell you that Arteta values him)
- Mustafi (another player who Arteta likes and offered him a new deal recently)
- Kolasinac (Didnt sell him this summer despite there being an offer shows Arteta wanted to keep him around)
- Holding (plays over Mustafi and Luiz, both players Arteta likes so clearly Arteta likes him)
- Chambers (The club didn't sell him after Wenger left even though there was an offer on the table for him).
- Saka (Probably our best player)
- Willock (Fans actually want him to play more!)
- ESR (Same as Willock)

All of Wenger's alleged deadwood players are actually valued by the current manager. If anything, the current regime has actually ADDED to the dead weight, including:
- Willian
- Cedric
- Mari
- Luiz
- Pepe (Arguably)
- Saliba (Arguably cuz Mikel the genuis doesn't rate him)

So really, all this alleged Wenger-Era dead weight people keep talking about is all bunch of horseshit. The irony is, most of the players gotten rid of in the last 2 windows by Arsenal so far are the ones that were brought in AFTER Wenger left or were actually valuable players from Wengers reign that have not been replaced or replaced with mediocre replacements or equal but expensive upgrades.

- Torreira
- Guendouzi
- Martinez
- Wilshere
- Ramsey
- Sokratis
- Lichtsteiner
- Kolscielny
- Cazorla
- Iwobi

The club is rotten but Arteta is not free from blame. He has been responsible for playing favorites and was directly involved in adding to the deadweight this summer and wanting to keep the existing deadweight around.


I get your response but you're simply missing the point ....

Gazidis and Arsenal created a culture at Arsenal based on their 'belief' in where football was going, Kroenke bought into that horseshit .... to deny that legacy is ridiculous.

You can't change that culture, a culture broadly based on five year contracts, in just two years. What's annoying is that we've hardly tried, as tired old players finally end their contracts, we just get in more tired old players to replace them .... we never learn.

But that culture should be ending, there is a whole bunch of stupidly expensive contracts that can be gotten rid of this summer - the question as always is will we?


Oh please! The Wenger-era culture could have been totally changed in the past couple of windows if the managers actually wanted to get rid of the Wenger-Era players! I just listed them all in my post where the previous abd the current manager has wanted to keep the wenger-era players as there were clear opportunities to do so yet they didnt do it. They could have sold those players and started anew with new contract approaches and restarted the culture. They didn't because they see value in Wenger era players. Mustafi for example, Arteta could have sent him packing and replaced him with Saliba. But nope, Saliba was sacrificed to keep Mustafi in the squad. Thats just one example.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby EliteKiller » Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:29 pm

gamechannel wrote:Oh please! The Wenger-era culture could have been totally changed in the past couple of windows if the managers actually wanted to get rid of the Wenger-Era players! I just listed them all in my post where the previous abd the current manager has wanted to keep the wenger-era players as there were clear opportunities to do so yet they didnt do it. They could have sold those players and started anew with new contract approaches and restarted the culture. They didn't because they see value in Wenger era players. Mustafi for example, Arteta could have sent him packing and replaced him with Saliba. But nope, Saliba was sacrificed to keep Mustafi in the squad. Thats just one example.


The inability to read and comprehend is just appalling on this site:

The Wenger-era culture could have been totally changed in the past couple of windows


The point that was very clearly made wasn't that it couldn't have been done, of course it could, but that it wasn't - if you honestly believe a multi-million pound company's strategy is set by the lowly inexperienced current football manager, you're living in lala land.

I can guarantee you that Emery and Arteta wish with all their heart that they could have got rid of Ozil, and at least a couple more overpaid wasters, but that wasn't their call when the cost of paying them off was many millions.

The board (and Kroenke) did once give all the power to a megalomaniac manager - and look where that got us - Arteta is now just a middle manger, to think he has the final control on buying and selling players, what century are you living in.
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Postby swipe right » Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:31 am

EliteKiller wrote:
gamechannel wrote:Oh please! The Wenger-era culture could have been totally changed in the past couple of windows if the managers actually wanted to get rid of the Wenger-Era players! I just listed them all in my post where the previous abd the current manager has wanted to keep the wenger-era players as there were clear opportunities to do so yet they didnt do it. They could have sold those players and started anew with new contract approaches and restarted the culture. They didn't because they see value in Wenger era players. Mustafi for example, Arteta could have sent him packing and replaced him with Saliba. But nope, Saliba was sacrificed to keep Mustafi in the squad. Thats just one example.


The inability to read and comprehend is just appalling on this site:

The Wenger-era culture could have been totally changed in the past couple of windows


The point that was very clearly made wasn't that it couldn't have been done, of course it could, but that it wasn't - if you honestly believe a multi-million pound company's strategy is set by the lowly inexperienced current football manager, you're living in lala land.

I can guarantee you that Emery and Arteta wish with all their heart that they could have got rid of Ozil, and at least a couple more overpaid wasters, but that wasn't their call when the cost of paying them off was many millions.

The board (and Kroenke) did once give all the power to a megalomaniac manager - and look where that got us - Arteta is now just a middle manger, to think he has the final control on buying and selling players, what century are you living in.

Kroenke will make billions off Arsenal so he probably thinks he got it right. Trophies are nice but money is nicer.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby gamechannel » Mon Nov 16, 2020 2:00 am

EliteKiller wrote:
gamechannel wrote:Oh please! The Wenger-era culture could have been totally changed in the past couple of windows if the managers actually wanted to get rid of the Wenger-Era players! I just listed them all in my post where the previous abd the current manager has wanted to keep the wenger-era players as there were clear opportunities to do so yet they didnt do it. They could have sold those players and started anew with new contract approaches and restarted the culture. They didn't because they see value in Wenger era players. Mustafi for example, Arteta could have sent him packing and replaced him with Saliba. But nope, Saliba was sacrificed to keep Mustafi in the squad. Thats just one example.


The inability to read and comprehend is just appalling on this site:

The Wenger-era culture could have been totally changed in the past couple of windows


The point that was very clearly made wasn't that it couldn't have been done, of course it could, but that it wasn't - if you honestly believe a multi-million pound company's strategy is set by the lowly inexperienced current football manager, you're living in lala land.

I can guarantee you that Emery and Arteta wish with all their heart that they could have got rid of Ozil, and at least a couple more overpaid wasters, but that wasn't their call when the cost of paying them off was many millions.

The board (and Kroenke) did once give all the power to a megalomaniac manager - and look where that got us - Arteta is now just a middle manger, to think he has the final control on buying and selling players, what century are you living in.


You can't use Ozil as a comparison. Ozil is not being played and is not wanted by the manager. Other players actually are. Some are being played over more deserving younger players that could be instrumental in changing the culture of the club. Example, Mustafi over Saliba, Willian over Nelson, Xhaka over Willock, Bellerin over AMN etc.

My reading comprehension is just fine. You and I agree over the fact that the club is rotten. But my disagreement is over the fact that you think Arteta's hands are tied when he's equally complicit in the current state of the squad and failure to change the culture. When you keep favoring players from previous regimes combined with mediocre signings of your own, you can't hope for a culture change.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby EliteKiller » Mon Nov 16, 2020 2:37 am

gamechannel wrote:You can't use Ozil as a comparison. Ozil is not being played and is not wanted by the manager. Other players actually are. Some are being played over more deserving younger players that could be instrumental in changing the culture of the club. Example, Mustafi over Saliba, Willian over Nelson, Xhaka over Willock, Bellerin over AMN etc.

My reading comprehension is just fine. You and I agree over the fact that the club is rotten. But my disagreement is over the fact that you think Arteta's hands are tied when he's equally complicit in the current state of the squad and failure to change the culture. When you keep favoring players from previous regimes combined with mediocre signings of your own, you can't hope for a culture change.


I think we're splitting hairs here ... we agree that the club has fundamentally lost it's way ... my opinion is that Arteta as a rank amateur manager was an easy appointment for a board who would then give him little or no say in transfers and contracts.

Whilst he may be 'complicit' in picking and positioning his players, the squad he inherited and indeed the addition and subtractions in my opinion have all taken place way above his head ... it's why a novice manager was appointed, no experienced manager would stand for it.

I could be wrong maybe Arteta wanted to look forward to having Auba at 34 on 250k a week, wanted Willian on 250k a week, wanted Laca running down his contract, and didn't want to pay Ozil to simply piss off ... but I seriously doubt any of that.

Since Arteta arrived we've signed Partey and Gabriel who are both quality expensive signings with real value on and off the pitch ...

We've also signed Soares, Willian, Mari which looks like three terrible bits of business ...

How much off that is on Arteta? in my book not all that much ... he's just a new-boy company stooge exactly what the board wanted.
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