The Wizard of Özil

[theHotHead]

Lacazette and Willock in July against Wolves. Willock with the assist Laca with the goal.

Before that Laca came of the bench to get the assist against Southampton in June setting up Willock. Before that Lacac got a goal and assist when coming on against Newcastle in a 5 minute cameo back in February.

Nketiah came off the bench to score against West Ham to win us the game.this season.

Nelson has done anything of note off the bench and Willian has only come off from the bench for us once in his short career at Arsenal.

When was the last time any of those players ran a game? When was the last tome they were motm for a game?

I thought willian was our best player at Fulham and lacazette our best player home to Liverpool at the back end of last season

O cant remember the Liverpool game but I can admit Willian had a very good debut vs Fulham

[theHotHead]

Don't think so. Wenger did not make top four twice when Ozil was there. Neither did Emery or Arteta in his half a season stint.
So clearly Ozil has not been a factor in improving Arsenal performance in the past four seasons. Do not think he'll be either in this season. Shows his gradual waning influence on the team as a whole.
Overall Arsenal performance is exclusive of Ozil contribution for along while.

Mate are you stupid?? Attack was not the problem for either Emery or Wenger, neither manager could fix the defence or the team's defending.

Is the defence Ozil's responsibility now too??

Some of you are proper f***ing mental cases, seriously.

[theHotHead]

As I said it's a simple equation now.
Arteta has a successful season - which means top 4 - or it is entirely his fault that we didn't.
Managers who want to make huge decisions like this live or die by them.
No excuses.

What? We didnt finish top 4 in the last 2 season. you know, seasons in which ozil played.
So why its his fault if we dont manage to get top 4 just because ozil isnt selected?

We have seen last season that we play better without ozil, so including ozil in the PL squad will not improve us very much.

Really?? When did we see that?? Pray tell .....

[theHotHead]

Biggest hamstring Arsenal has currently is not being able to shift unwanted personnel.
Now IMO not playing these guys is a situation I agree with, prior to Arteta the players held the club to ransom with the player power held.
If refusal to pick said players shifts that player power to a more even win win for player and club I am all for it.
Ozil is collateral damage as will others be.

But players we are looking to shift have been bought in the last two years during our glorious rebuild. Nobody wants to buy Torreira or Guendozi. We spiked 100 mil on Pepe and Saliba and neither are ready. We had to bring in pensioners like Willian and Luiz to cover them. What in the lords name is going on at Arsenal?

Swipe with all respect what is your age ?,
Arsenal has never been a world leader in the transfer market, although we have at odd times held the record transfer fee but those are few and far between.
Arsenal has been run for decades within its sustainable manor, that is one reason I couldn't understand AW we were living within our means years before he came along, the fat cat board had their pudding the club always run on leftovers.
Playing the players who hold the power just because we cant shift them just brings no improvement. If not playing Ozil kills his left career so be it, it's as much Ozils decision as the club and personally I think the club moves forward making such a stand.
For many they have never experienced an average Arsenal to which I grew up with. The current demise is the doing of miss managment from as far back as the Emerites move

Swipey has a point though, when he puts it like that what the hell is going on at the club?!!

And people say we have not been spending money, we have spent a shit load and invested the money badly. This includes Ozil's ludicrous £350k per week contract.

[Dejan]

As I said it's a simple equation now.
Arteta has a successful season - which means top 4 - or it is entirely his fault that we didn't.
Managers who want to make huge decisions like this live or die by them.
No excuses.

What? We didnt finish top 4 in the last 2 season. you know, seasons in which ozil played.
So why its his fault if we dont manage to get top 4 just because ozil isnt selected?

We have seen last season that we play better without ozil, so including ozil in the PL squad will not improve us very much.

Really?? When did we see that?? Pray tell .....

The end of last season we dropped ozil. Then We beat liverpool, chelsea and manchester city and drew against leicester.

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[EliteKiller]

Really?? When did we see that?? Pray tell .....

By beating the better clubs playing as a team not as a bunch of talented individuals ... if you don't recognise the improvement Arteta has made to the structure on the pitch you simply don't understand top level football. The issue isn't Ozil, he's the wrong type of player, the issue is the lack of quality midfield players who can play either a KDB attacking role or a Fabinho defensive role ... we've bought in Party now we need a top quality attacking midfield player or a world class number 9.5 in the Kane, Salah, Aguero role a player good for twenty goals every season plus a dozen assists, problem is they cost 150m and most won't play outside the CL

Bring back RvP or Henry they would do the job.

[jayramfootball]

As I said it's a simple equation now.
Arteta has a successful season - which means top 4 - or it is entirely his fault that we didn't.
Managers who want to make huge decisions like this live or die by them.
No excuses.

What? We didnt finish top 4 in the last 2 season. you know, seasons in which ozil played.
So why its his fault if we dont manage to get top 4 just because ozil isnt selected?

We have seen last season that we play better without ozil, so including ozil in the PL squad will not improve us very much.

Really?? When did we see that?? Pray tell .....

The end of last season we dropped ozil. Then We beat liverpool, chelsea and manchester city and drew against leicester.

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We didn't beat them because we dropped Ozil. What an idiotic thing to say.
We won those games because we defended better and scored on the break.
That can work for some games - we've seen it happen to us many times.
Arteta has given us more organisation and a better defensive set up, but we're also as bad - or worse - than we have been in 30 years in terms of getting shots on goal.
It's not an approach that will get us top 4.
Quite simply we're not creating chances and our most creative player has been left out of the squad.

[VCC]

As I said it's a simple equation now.
Arteta has a successful season - which means top 4 - or it is entirely his fault that we didn't.
Managers who want to make huge decisions like this live or die by them.
No excuses.

What? We didnt finish top 4 in the last 2 season. you know, seasons in which ozil played.
So why its his fault if we dont manage to get top 4 just because ozil isnt selected?

We have seen last season that we play better without ozil, so including ozil in the PL squad will not improve us very much.

Really?? When did we see that?? Pray tell .....

The end of last season we dropped ozil. Then We beat liverpool, chelsea and manchester city and drew against leicester.

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We didn't beat them because we dropped Ozil. What an idiotic thing to say.
We won those games because we defended better and scored on the break.
That can work for some games - we've seen it happen to us many times.
Arteta has given us more organisation and a better defensive set up, but we're also as bad - or worse - than we have been in 30 years in terms of getting shots on goal.
It's not an approach that will get us top 4.
Quite simply we're not creating chances and our most creative player has been left out of the squad.

So you are saying we won the game by following a game plan, having the right personnel on the feild to obtain a result through a set plan shows if nothing else what can be acheived through a bunch willing to run through walls for each other. I dont see Ozil in that picture

[Dejan]

As I said it's a simple equation now.
Arteta has a successful season - which means top 4 - or it is entirely his fault that we didn't.
Managers who want to make huge decisions like this live or die by them.
No excuses.

What? We didnt finish top 4 in the last 2 season. you know, seasons in which ozil played.
So why its his fault if we dont manage to get top 4 just because ozil isnt selected?

We have seen last season that we play better without ozil, so including ozil in the PL squad will not improve us very much.

Really?? When did we see that?? Pray tell .....

The end of last season we dropped ozil. Then We beat liverpool, chelsea and manchester city and drew against leicester.

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We didn't beat them because we dropped Ozil. What an idiotic thing to say.
We won those games because we defended better and scored on the break.
That can work for some games - we've seen it happen to us many times.
Arteta has given us more organisation and a better defensive set up, but we're also as bad - or worse - than we have been in 30 years in terms of getting shots on goal.
It's not an approach that will get us top 4.
Quite simply we're not creating chances and our most creative player has been left out of the squad.

Yes.. we defender better.... why is this? because we had a better fit in midfield that allowed us to defend better.
Sure, the win wasnt only because we dropped as there are more factors evolved. However, since we dropped ozil we beat liverpool, chelsea, manchester city and drew against leicester. You are truly naive, or ozil is so far up your ass that you are dispatched with reality, if u think that its just a coincidence that we won these games without ozil.

[jayramfootball]

As I said it's a simple equation now.
Arteta has a successful season - which means top 4 - or it is entirely his fault that we didn't.
Managers who want to make huge decisions like this live or die by them.
No excuses.

What? We didnt finish top 4 in the last 2 season. you know, seasons in which ozil played.
So why its his fault if we dont manage to get top 4 just because ozil isnt selected?

We have seen last season that we play better without ozil, so including ozil in the PL squad will not improve us very much.

Really?? When did we see that?? Pray tell .....

The end of last season we dropped ozil. Then We beat liverpool, chelsea and manchester city and drew against leicester.

Verstuurd vanaf mijn SM-G935F met Tapatalk

We didn't beat them because we dropped Ozil. What an idiotic thing to say.
We won those games because we defended better and scored on the break.
That can work for some games - we've seen it happen to us many times.
Arteta has given us more organisation and a better defensive set up, but we're also as bad - or worse - than we have been in 30 years in terms of getting shots on goal.
It's not an approach that will get us top 4.
Quite simply we're not creating chances and our most creative player has been left out of the squad.

Yes.. we defender better.... why is this? because we had a better fit in midfield that allowed us to defend better.
Sure, the win wasnt only because we dropped as there are more factors evolved. However, since we dropped ozil we beat liverpool, chelsea, manchester city and drew against leicester. You are truly naive, or ozil is so far up your ass that you are dispatched with reality, if u think that its just a coincidence that we won these games without ozil.

It's not me who is naive if you think we won these games because Ozil was not playing, fella.
I already told you that the reason we won these games is because we managed to defend particularly well across the back line and in CM in front of the back 4.
IN terms of defending out wide with midfielders we were not particularly good in any of those games. Our midfield was actually over run a lot of the time and we couldn't retain the ball.

Arteta has made us a more defensive team so we'll have games where we manage to keep a clean sheet and score some breakaway goals to win. But with no creativity in the team we're not getting top 4.

[theHotHead]

As I said it's a simple equation now.
Arteta has a successful season - which means top 4 - or it is entirely his fault that we didn't.
Managers who want to make huge decisions like this live or die by them.
No excuses.

What? We didnt finish top 4 in the last 2 season. you know, seasons in which ozil played.
So why its his fault if we dont manage to get top 4 just because ozil isnt selected?

We have seen last season that we play better without ozil, so including ozil in the PL squad will not improve us very much.

Really?? When did we see that?? Pray tell .....

The end of last season we dropped ozil. Then We beat liverpool, chelsea and manchester city and drew against leicester.

Verstuurd vanaf mijn SM-G935F met Tapatalk

Nonsense, I have already kayboshed the argument that we played better without Ozil.

In case you missed it, here is what I wrote again:

6) You claim we have been better without Ozil against the top teams, Ozil played 16 games under Arteta last season, 4 of which against the so-called Top 6 sides. With Ozil Played 4, 1 win, 1 draw, 2 loss, 5 goals for, 7 goals against. Without Ozil, we played 3 games, 1 win, 2 losses, 3 goals for, 6 against. Lets analyse this season. Well ... we have only played one Top 6 team, Liverpool, and we lost 3-1. So adding to the games from last season its without Ozil Played 4, won 1, lost 3, 4 goals for and 9 goals against.

Let point 6 sink in ........ Your point that we have been good against Top6 teams since Ozil has been dropped is proven to be total bollox friend.

7) You claim we have had a better defensive record overall, lets look at that. Under Arteta last season Ozil played 17 games, since the resumption of the league we played 10 games without Ozil. With Ozil, P17, W5, D8, L4, F25, A22, GD+3. Without Ozil P10, W5, D1, L4, F16, A12 GD+4. You would have to be making the biggest exaggeration to claim we have been better defensively during that period, especially when you consider Ozil's stats were from Arteta's first games as Arsenal manager versus having had a post Covid pre season period and Martinez on top form ! so that argument is dead.

In this new season we have played 4, won 3, lost 1, for 8, against 5, goal diff +3. Now, again, consider, we had a pre season so yet more time Arteta has had to drill the team. There is no proof whatsoever that, with Ozil in the team the numbers would be any worse than they are.

Let point 7 sink in, we were meant to be better defensively but the goal difference tells a different story. What stands out, in the periods that the team were afforded pre season periods with Arteta we have drawn far fewer games. Thats about all that has improved. In any case this season's sample size is too small to compare to last season's set of data.

And, bear in mind we LOST to Man City since I posted the above, so without Ozil our performances against top 6 teams is EVEN WORSE than it was. These are league games only.

[theHotHead]

And before some smart dick tries to over-egg the significance of the victrories in the cup games, we all know the priority for clubs like Liverpool and Man City is the league and, when it comes to the league, we often see a different beast in those teams which is why we end up losing most of the time.

EDIT - if you don't believe me, since SAF left Man U in 2013, 7 seasons ago, there have been 14 domestic cup trophies that could have been won. Considering all league titles in that period have been won by Chelsea, Man City, Liverpool and Leicester, only 8 domestic cups have been won by Liverpool, Man City and Chelsea. 100% of league titles won by 4 clubs, 57% of domestic cups won by the 4 clubs.

[EliteKiller]

And before some smart dick tries to over-egg the significance of the victrories in the cup games, we all know the priority for clubs like Liverpool and Man City is the league and, when it comes to the league, we often see a different beast in those teams which is why we end up losing most of the time.

EDIT - if you don't believe me, since SAF left Man U in 2013, 7 seasons ago, there have been 14 domestic cup trophies that could have been won. Considering all league titles in that period have been won by Chelsea, Man City, Liverpool and Leicester, only 8 domestic cups have been won by Liverpool, Man City and Chelsea. 100% of league titles won by 4 clubs, 57% of domestic cups won by the 4 clubs.

Just stop - Ozil is history move on

[theHotHead]

Mate, seriously, if people are going to come on here and post nonsense or comments that are untrue it is my duty to highlight it and challenge it. I would do the same for ANY player, not just Ozil.

You just don't like an anti Ozil argument being disproved.

[Angelito]