Dejan wrote:theHotHead wrote:Dejan wrote:jayramfootball wrote:As I said it's a simple equation now.
Arteta has a successful season - which means top 4 - or it is entirely his fault that we didn't.
Managers who want to make huge decisions like this live or die by them.
No excuses.
What? We didnt finish top 4 in the last 2 season. you know, seasons in which ozil played.
So why its his fault if we dont manage to get top 4 just because ozil isnt selected?
We have seen last season that we play better without ozil, so including ozil in the PL squad will not improve us very much.
Really?? When did we see that?? Pray tell .....
The end of last season we dropped ozil. Then We beat liverpool, chelsea and manchester city and drew against leicester.
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Nonsense, I have already kayboshed the argument that we played better without Ozil.
In case you missed it, here is what I wrote again:
6) You claim we have been better without Ozil against the top teams, Ozil played 16 games under Arteta last season, 4 of which against the so-called Top 6 sides. With Ozil Played 4, 1 win, 1 draw, 2 loss, 5 goals for, 7 goals against. Without Ozil, we played 3 games, 1 win, 2 losses, 3 goals for, 6 against. Lets analyse this season. Well ... we have only played one Top 6 team, Liverpool, and we lost 3-1. So adding to the games from last season its without Ozil Played 4, won 1, lost 3, 4 goals for and 9 goals against.
Let point 6 sink in ........ Your point that we have been good against Top6 teams since Ozil has been dropped is proven to be total bollox friend.
7) You claim we have had a better defensive record overall, lets look at that. Under Arteta last season Ozil played 17 games, since the resumption of the league we played 10 games without Ozil. With Ozil, P17, W5, D8, L4, F25, A22, GD+3. Without Ozil P10, W5, D1, L4, F16, A12 GD+4. You would have to be making the biggest exaggeration to claim we have been better defensively during that period, especially when you consider Ozil's stats were from Arteta's first games as Arsenal manager versus having had a post Covid pre season period and Martinez on top form ! so that argument is dead.
In this new season we have played 4, won 3, lost 1, for 8, against 5, goal diff +3. Now, again, consider, we had a pre season so yet more time Arteta has had to drill the team. There is no proof whatsoever that, with Ozil in the team the numbers would be any worse than they are.
Let point 7 sink in, we were meant to be better defensively but the goal difference tells a different story. What stands out, in the periods that the team were afforded pre season periods with Arteta we have drawn far fewer games. Thats about all that has improved. In any case this season's sample size is too small to compare to last season's set of data.
And, bear in mind we LOST to Man City since I posted the above, so without Ozil our performances against top 6 teams is EVEN WORSE than it was. These are league games only.