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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby immsun » Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:30 pm

Thank you for the memories


Once in a lifetime player. Genuis.

Karma will be served to Arteta for sure.

We had ozil.....its just that we couldnt understand.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby gamechannel » Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:23 pm

immsun wrote:Thank you for the memories


Once in a lifetime player. Genuis.

Karma will be served to Arteta for sure.

We had ozil.....its just that we couldnt understand.


Arteta is a Master Politician. I guarantee Edu will be fired before Arteta does. Dude knows how to play backroom politics. He's a better tactician in the boardroom than on the pitch.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby swipe right » Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:38 pm

This is what happens when you don’t have footballing people running the club at the boardroom level and a weak manager and director. Wenger was the last big football personality at the club. Once they got rid of him they filled all the top jobs with amateurs and the board with lackeys. Shameful.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby EliteKiller » Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:43 am

swipe right wrote:This is what happens when you don’t have footballing people running the club at the boardroom level and a weak manager and director. Wenger was the last big football personality at the club. Once they got rid of him they filled all the top jobs with amateurs and the board with lackeys. Shameful.


That would be the same Wenger who agreed a contract guaranteeing a 32 year old 18m a year? ... who in his final years as boss took a top four squad and made it top six, who in partnership with Gazidis created a socialist wages structure we're still trying to correct ...

Wenger came to Arsenal and for well over a decade was a legendary manager, once he became to powerful the wheels came off, was that on him or the people who employed him? there's enough blame to share around. One thing is for certain Ozil is a symptom of everything that went wrong, managers and players however good have a finite life span DO NOT keep them around once they are past their best. We must learn or we will remain a retirement home rather than an academy.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby swipe right » Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:58 am

EliteKiller wrote:
swipe right wrote:This is what happens when you don’t have footballing people running the club at the boardroom level and a weak manager and director. Wenger was the last big football personality at the club. Once they got rid of him they filled all the top jobs with amateurs and the board with lackeys. Shameful.


That would be the same Wenger who agreed a contract guaranteeing a 32 year old 18m a year? ... who in his final years as boss took a top four squad and made it top six, who in partnership with Gazidis created a socialist wages structure we're still trying to correct ...

Wenger came to Arsenal and for well over a decade was a legendary manager, once he became to powerful the wheels came off, was that on him or the people who employed him? there's enough blame to share around. One thing is for certain Ozil is a symptom of everything that went wrong, managers and players however good have a finite life span DO NOT keep them around once they are past their best. We must learn or we will remain a retirement home rather than an academy.

Excuse me but answer the central premise of my post. Is Arsenal being run by seasoned footballing professionals at the top? Josh Kroenke and Vinai are managing the board and business. Two rookies in this area. Arteta and Edu who have never had such jobs are managing the footballing operations. Your criticism of Wenger is fair but there is no denying his vast knowledge of the game. I’d also rather remember 20 of his 22 years of champions league football than focus on the 2 years he missed out. A 90 percent average in a competitive sport is pretty damn good.
Good luck if you think the current lot are plotting a path back to CL or building from the back or any other fantasy fairytales you have in mind.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Gordon Bennit » Wed Oct 21, 2020 3:09 am

swipe right wrote:
EliteKiller wrote:
swipe right wrote:This is what happens when you don’t have footballing people running the club at the boardroom level and a weak manager and director. Wenger was the last big football personality at the club. Once they got rid of him they filled all the top jobs with amateurs and the board with lackeys. Shameful.


Your criticism of Wenger is fair but there is no denying his vast knowledge of the game. I’d also rather remember 20 of his 22 years of champions league football than focus on the 2 years he missed out. A 90 percent average in a competitive sport is pretty damn good.
Good luck if you think the current lot are plotting a path back to CL or building from the back or any other fantasy fairytales you have in mind.



Alternatively and off topic you could remember 22 years of European football with a 0% trophy average or out of 22 seasons, only 8 resulted in a trophy or trophies which is a 36% average of silverware. Or you could remember facing Bayern Munich with Yaya Sanogo up front etc.

Right now, an ageing player who doesn't shoot or want to track back isn't what we need. It is very sad though.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby VCC » Wed Oct 21, 2020 3:18 am

The game has moved on, best decision Ozil could have made if indeed PLAYING football was his focus would have been moving on too.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby swipe right » Wed Oct 21, 2020 3:49 am

Gordon Bennit wrote:
swipe right wrote:
EliteKiller wrote:
swipe right wrote:This is what happens when you don’t have footballing people running the club at the boardroom level and a weak manager and director. Wenger was the last big football personality at the club. Once they got rid of him they filled all the top jobs with amateurs and the board with lackeys. Shameful.


Your criticism of Wenger is fair but there is no denying his vast knowledge of the game. I’d also rather remember 20 of his 22 years of champions league football than focus on the 2 years he missed out. A 90 percent average in a competitive sport is pretty damn good.
Good luck if you think the current lot are plotting a path back to CL or building from the back or any other fantasy fairytales you have in mind.



Alternatively and off topic you could remember 22 years of European football with a 0% trophy average or out of 22 seasons, only 8 resulted in a trophy or trophies which is a 36% average of silverware. Or you could remember facing Bayern Munich with Yaya Sanogo up front etc.

Right now, an ageing player who doesn't shoot or want to track back isn't what we need. It is very sad though.

Again, my point is about the club being run by amateurs. Do you dispute that?
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby VCC » Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:51 am

swipe right wrote:
Gordon Bennit wrote:
swipe right wrote:
EliteKiller wrote:
swipe right wrote:This is what happens when you don’t have footballing people running the club at the boardroom level and a weak manager and director. Wenger was the last big football personality at the club. Once they got rid of him they filled all the top jobs with amateurs and the board with lackeys. Shameful.


Your criticism of Wenger is fair but there is no denying his vast knowledge of the game. I’d also rather remember 20 of his 22 years of champions league football than focus on the 2 years he missed out. A 90 percent average in a competitive sport is pretty damn good.
Good luck if you think the current lot are plotting a path back to CL or building from the back or any other fantasy fairytales you have in mind.



Alternatively and off topic you could remember 22 years of European football with a 0% trophy average or out of 22 seasons, only 8 resulted in a trophy or trophies which is a 36% average of silverware. Or you could remember facing Bayern Munich with Yaya Sanogo up front etc.

Right now, an ageing player who doesn't shoot or want to track back isn't what we need. It is very sad though.

Again, my point is about the club being run by amateurs. Do you dispute that?

The old board with exception of DD was of no use in footballing terms.
They have changed Arteta contract from head coach to manager so they have faith in his abilities, he is not going to change the vessel from the titanic to an Americas cup yacht in a season and a half and with little transfer money
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby VCC » Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:58 am

Biggest hamstring Arsenal has currently is not being able to shift unwanted personnel.
Now IMO not playing these guys is a situation I agree with, prior to Arteta the players held the club to ransom with the player power held.
If refusal to pick said players shifts that player power to a more even win win for player and club I am all for it.
Ozil is collateral damage as will others be.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby swipe right » Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:05 am

VCC wrote:Biggest hamstring Arsenal has currently is not being able to shift unwanted personnel.
Now IMO not playing these guys is a situation I agree with, prior to Arteta the players held the club to ransom with the player power held.
If refusal to pick said players shifts that player power to a more even win win for player and club I am all for it.
Ozil is collateral damage as will others be.

But players we are looking to shift have been bought in the last two years during our glorious rebuild. Nobody wants to buy Torreira or Guendozi. We spiked 100 mil on Pepe and Saliba and neither are ready. We had to bring in pensioners like Willian and Luiz to cover them. What in the lords name is going on at Arsenal?
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby VCC » Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:41 am

swipe right wrote:
VCC wrote:Biggest hamstring Arsenal has currently is not being able to shift unwanted personnel.
Now IMO not playing these guys is a situation I agree with, prior to Arteta the players held the club to ransom with the player power held.
If refusal to pick said players shifts that player power to a more even win win for player and club I am all for it.
Ozil is collateral damage as will others be.

But players we are looking to shift have been bought in the last two years during our glorious rebuild. Nobody wants to buy Torreira or Guendozi. We spiked 100 mil on Pepe and Saliba and neither are ready. We had to bring in pensioners like Willian and Luiz to cover them. What in the lords name is going on at Arsenal?

Swipe with all respect what is your age ?,
Arsenal has never been a world leader in the transfer market, although we have at odd times held the record transfer fee but those are few and far between.
Arsenal has been run for decades within its sustainable manor, that is one reason I couldn't understand AW we were living within our means years before he came along, the fat cat board had their pudding the club always run on leftovers.
Playing the players who hold the power just because we cant shift them just brings no improvement. If not playing Ozil kills his left career so be it, it's as much Ozils decision as the club and personally I think the club moves forward making such a stand.
For many they have never experienced an average Arsenal to which I grew up with. The current demise is the doing of miss managment from as far back as the Emerites move
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby theHotHead » Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:04 am

Power n Glory wrote:
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Power n Glory wrote:The Henry example isn't just loaded it's silly because you don't play Cup finals two or three times a year! He's also not a player that's underperforming and being out performed by rookies and new additions in terms of goals and assists.

Outperformed by which rookies ? Saka ? Who else ?

On the topic of Saka, most of the team are beng outperformed by him, so sshould we drop all of them then ?


Saka is one. Pepe is the new addition. Can't stand Willock but he scored 5 goals and 1 assist last year. Nelson...3 goals and 3 assist last season.

Ozil last year 1 goal and 3 assists. He played a similar amount of minutes as Willock and Nelson played less.

That doesn't mean they're better players either. It just means we're managing to get more out of them despite their limitations and limited game time.

And you completely ignore the rest of the game, the contribution midfielders make that don't result in a goal or assist.

When Ozil plays we keep the ball better and he plays forward passes that put us on the attack.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby theHotHead » Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:08 am

Gunpowder wrote:I don't even rate him anymore but he has started every league match under Arteta before the break and now isn't good enough to make the 17 men list. I think it says one of those decisions was a huge mistake.

Exactly. If he was as shit during that period as some try to suggest why on earth would Arteta have played him for EVERY GAME bar one?!!! He would have been dropped, you don't play a player that gives next to nothing as some have suggested, game in and game out.

So he has been dropped for one of 2 reasons and neither have anything to do with football.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby theHotHead » Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:13 am

aniym wrote:
swipe right wrote:Name a better creative midfielder at Arsenal than Ozil. Go on.


Mhikytaryan. Outscored and out-assisted Ozil for the one season they played together, despite his terrible fitness.

Of course, he prioritized first team football over his bank account, so he's no longer here. Currently killing it for Roma.

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Fookin hell chap, are you being serious???
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