Santi wrote:Would’ve won yesterday with Ozil
Agree - City were there for the taking.
We just needed better quality in the final 3rd.
Saka did his best but he was our only outlet.
by jayramfootball » Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:39 pm
Santi wrote:Would’ve won yesterday with Ozil
by Marsbar100 » Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:05 pm
by theHotHead » Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:08 pm
swipe right wrote:theHotHead wrote:EliteKiller wrote:swipe right wrote:Put hardworking players around Ozil and give him his free role. He’ll get us 10 assists a season. At least until we buy more creative midfielders. Saka and Willian on the flanks and Partey and El Neny/Xhaka behind him.
Leaving room for just one of Auba / Laca / Pepe / Nketiah .... with your line up he might get 10 assists but we would be lucky to get 40 goals a season and probably end up in a relegation scrap.
No, you need one decent defensive midfielder to free up Ozil, you dont need 2.Auba
Saka Ozil Willian
Xhaka Partey
by theHotHead » Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:11 pm
by gamechannel » Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:44 pm
theHotHead wrote:I don't get any argument along the lines of, as poor as we have been creatively Ozil would be of no benefit.
Thats total bull crap.
by Power n Glory » Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:08 pm
gamechannel wrote:theHotHead wrote:I don't get any argument along the lines of, as poor as we have been creatively Ozil would be of no benefit.
Thats total bull crap.
Thats just the same old rhetoric from Ozil critics. Their criticism is not invalid that his impact has diminished compared to his earlier years. But its their constant refusal to come up with a single viable name in the current squad when asked about a better alternative for Ozil that makes me laugh. They keep saying Ozil is past it yet he's still the best creative mid we got but the Ozil critics won't admit that cuz they're blinded by their agendas. Its one thing to say Ozil shouldn't play over someone like Havertz, Firminho, Fernandez et al, but to say that he doesn't deserve to play while we trot out rubbish like Willock, Nelson, Willian etc is lunacy.
by VCC » Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:28 pm
by Angelito » Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:38 pm
Power n Glory wrote:gamechannel wrote:theHotHead wrote:I don't get any argument along the lines of, as poor as we have been creatively Ozil would be of no benefit.
Thats total bull crap.
Thats just the same old rhetoric from Ozil critics. Their criticism is not invalid that his impact has diminished compared to his earlier years. But its their constant refusal to come up with a single viable name in the current squad when asked about a better alternative for Ozil that makes me laugh. They keep saying Ozil is past it yet he's still the best creative mid we got but the Ozil critics won't admit that cuz they're blinded by their agendas. Its one thing to say Ozil shouldn't play over someone like Havertz, Firminho, Fernandez et al, but to say that he doesn't deserve to play while we trot out rubbish like Willock, Nelson, Willian etc is lunacy.
That's great. But tell me the last time Ozil had an impact against Man City and helped us win the game?
by Power n Glory » Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:43 pm
Angelito wrote:Power n Glory wrote:gamechannel wrote:theHotHead wrote:I don't get any argument along the lines of, as poor as we have been creatively Ozil would be of no benefit.
Thats total bull crap.
Thats just the same old rhetoric from Ozil critics. Their criticism is not invalid that his impact has diminished compared to his earlier years. But its their constant refusal to come up with a single viable name in the current squad when asked about a better alternative for Ozil that makes me laugh. They keep saying Ozil is past it yet he's still the best creative mid we got but the Ozil critics won't admit that cuz they're blinded by their agendas. Its one thing to say Ozil shouldn't play over someone like Havertz, Firminho, Fernandez et al, but to say that he doesn't deserve to play while we trot out rubbish like Willock, Nelson, Willian etc is lunacy.
That's great. But tell me the last time Ozil had an impact against Man City and helped us win the game?
Nobody has an issue with Ozil being benched. The problem is, he's not being benched! He's not even in the squad when he's out second highest earner.
And, he sure as heck isn't the worst player amongst those 25 here.
Ozil won't be here next season. Arteta will be. He won't be able to hide being Ozil for too much long. Arsenal fans won't be able to blame Ozil for long. The script will write itself soon.
I don't want my manager to say that losing 1-0 to this City side is "progress."
by Angelito » Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:47 pm
Power n Glory wrote:Angelito wrote:Power n Glory wrote:gamechannel wrote:theHotHead wrote:I don't get any argument along the lines of, as poor as we have been creatively Ozil would be of no benefit.
Thats total bull crap.
Thats just the same old rhetoric from Ozil critics. Their criticism is not invalid that his impact has diminished compared to his earlier years. But its their constant refusal to come up with a single viable name in the current squad when asked about a better alternative for Ozil that makes me laugh. They keep saying Ozil is past it yet he's still the best creative mid we got but the Ozil critics won't admit that cuz they're blinded by their agendas. Its one thing to say Ozil shouldn't play over someone like Havertz, Firminho, Fernandez et al, but to say that he doesn't deserve to play while we trot out rubbish like Willock, Nelson, Willian etc is lunacy.
That's great. But tell me the last time Ozil had an impact against Man City and helped us win the game?
Nobody has an issue with Ozil being benched. The problem is, he's not being benched! He's not even in the squad when he's out second highest earner.
And, he sure as heck isn't the worst player amongst those 25 here.
Ozil won't be here next season. Arteta will be. He won't be able to hide being Ozil for too much long. Arsenal fans won't be able to blame Ozil for long. The script will write itself soon.
I don't want my manager to say that losing 1-0 to this City side is "progress."
Do we know when Ozil last had an impact off the bench?
by Power n Glory » Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:13 pm
Angelito wrote:Power n Glory wrote:Angelito wrote:Power n Glory wrote:gamechannel wrote:theHotHead wrote:I don't get any argument along the lines of, as poor as we have been creatively Ozil would be of no benefit.
Thats total bull crap.
Thats just the same old rhetoric from Ozil critics. Their criticism is not invalid that his impact has diminished compared to his earlier years. But its their constant refusal to come up with a single viable name in the current squad when asked about a better alternative for Ozil that makes me laugh. They keep saying Ozil is past it yet he's still the best creative mid we got but the Ozil critics won't admit that cuz they're blinded by their agendas. Its one thing to say Ozil shouldn't play over someone like Havertz, Firminho, Fernandez et al, but to say that he doesn't deserve to play while we trot out rubbish like Willock, Nelson, Willian etc is lunacy.
That's great. But tell me the last time Ozil had an impact against Man City and helped us win the game?
Nobody has an issue with Ozil being benched. The problem is, he's not being benched! He's not even in the squad when he's out second highest earner.
And, he sure as heck isn't the worst player amongst those 25 here.
Ozil won't be here next season. Arteta will be. He won't be able to hide being Ozil for too much long. Arsenal fans won't be able to blame Ozil for long. The script will write itself soon.
I don't want my manager to say that losing 1-0 to this City side is "progress."
Do we know when Ozil last had an impact off the bench?
Strawman.
When was the last time half of our players ever had an impact in their entire careers?
The argument is simply that Ozil is a better than half of the players we have whether he's past it or not. It's another thing that he has been a bonafide starter for every manager he's ever played for until Emery happened.
by gamechannel » Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:26 pm
VCC wrote:Arteta system is one of press with out the ball this is something asked of all the players with the possibility of putting your foot in to win the ball.
That one factor is why Ozil wont be picked and probably never will again for Arsenal.the gaffer ain't going to ask for something to be a constant player must do, then exempt someone from that
by gamechannel » Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:28 pm
Power n Glory wrote:Angelito wrote:Power n Glory wrote:Angelito wrote:Power n Glory wrote:gamechannel wrote:theHotHead wrote:I don't get any argument along the lines of, as poor as we have been creatively Ozil would be of no benefit.
Thats total bull crap.
Thats just the same old rhetoric from Ozil critics. Their criticism is not invalid that his impact has diminished compared to his earlier years. But its their constant refusal to come up with a single viable name in the current squad when asked about a better alternative for Ozil that makes me laugh. They keep saying Ozil is past it yet he's still the best creative mid we got but the Ozil critics won't admit that cuz they're blinded by their agendas. Its one thing to say Ozil shouldn't play over someone like Havertz, Firminho, Fernandez et al, but to say that he doesn't deserve to play while we trot out rubbish like Willock, Nelson, Willian etc is lunacy.
That's great. But tell me the last time Ozil had an impact against Man City and helped us win the game?
Nobody has an issue with Ozil being benched. The problem is, he's not being benched! He's not even in the squad when he's out second highest earner.
And, he sure as heck isn't the worst player amongst those 25 here.
Ozil won't be here next season. Arteta will be. He won't be able to hide being Ozil for too much long. Arsenal fans won't be able to blame Ozil for long. The script will write itself soon.
I don't want my manager to say that losing 1-0 to this City side is "progress."
Do we know when Ozil last had an impact off the bench?
Strawman.
When was the last time half of our players ever had an impact in their entire careers?
The argument is simply that Ozil is a better than half of the players we have whether he's past it or not. It's another thing that he has been a bonafide starter for every manager he's ever played for until Emery happened.
Strawman? I've asked you a question.
by Power n Glory » Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:00 pm
by starmandb » Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:58 pm
Power n Glory wrote:gamechannel wrote:theHotHead wrote:I don't get any argument along the lines of, as poor as we have been creatively Ozil would be of no benefit.
Thats total bull crap.
Thats just the same old rhetoric from Ozil critics. Their criticism is not invalid that his impact has diminished compared to his earlier years. But its their constant refusal to come up with a single viable name in the current squad when asked about a better alternative for Ozil that makes me laugh. They keep saying Ozil is past it yet he's still the best creative mid we got but the Ozil critics won't admit that cuz they're blinded by their agendas. Its one thing to say Ozil shouldn't play over someone like Havertz, Firminho, Fernandez et al, but to say that he doesn't deserve to play while we trot out rubbish like Willock, Nelson, Willian etc is lunacy.
That's great. But tell me the last time Ozil had an impact against Man City and helped us win the game?