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Re: Odsonne Edouard

Postby Santi » Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:22 am

Power n Glory wrote:
Rayyo wrote:
Santi wrote:
Rayyo wrote:
Santi wrote:Liverpool weren't smart with coutinho though, it was a ridiculous offer that no club would turn down. People need to stop using it as an example of squad building tbh, they did well with the money but it rarely happens.


you just contradicted yourself.


How? It's rare that a club is so desperate and overpays so much for a player. The only smart thing Liverpool did was buying him for 8m in the first place, the rest was pure stupidity from Barcelona.


i said liverpool done smart business. you said it wasn't smart then you said it rarely happens.

so it was smart then.


I agree. It was smart and it wasn't rare for Liverpool. The fee for Coutinho was massive and probably the peak of their transfer strategy but that Klopp team was years in the making. They sold well and reinvested in some good players that played a key role in getting them to where they are. It started before Klopp arrived.

2014. They sold Suarez for big money one season and that was probably the start of the rebuild.

2015. They did the same the following season when selling Sterling and bought Firmino and Joe Gomez.

2016. They wasted no timing getting rid of Benteke and a few other dead weight players. That paid for Mane and Wijnaldum.

2017. Then the sold Coutinho for that massive fee.



Then use those deals to show their smart business and rebuild, not the coutinho fluke. Also without the latter, they'd still have been shit. My point, as I said originally, is you can't use them as a benchmark. It would've taken them at least a couple more years to get where they are if they didn't have Barca massively overpaying for Coutinho.

This is all on top of the best transfer they made, signing a world class manager in Klopp. Anyone whoexpects us to be able to rise as quick as Liverpool did is nuts, we aren't going to get 120m for Martinelli in the next 2 seasons so it'll be a lot longer process. No doubt Liverpool have done great over the last 8 years in the transfer market, but the Coutinho deal was a complete rarity that helped them go from top 4 challengers to top of Europe.
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Re: Odsonne Edouard

Postby Salibatelli » Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:59 am

Whilst Barca overpaid for Coutinho, it was also a direct consequence of his form and also Liverpool’s ambition and upward trajectory.

If you look at the clubs who sell players for big money, they’re the clubs who are generally on an upwards trajectory or clubs who are already perceived to be successful.

Our problem has been that we’ve been on an downward trajectory and have on top of this compounded things by letting a players run down their contracts.

Of course there is some luck when it comes to Coutinho, but they made their own luck in the same way Monaco did when selling Mbappe and most of their big talents for big money.
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Re: Odsonne Edouard

Postby Power n Glory » Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:13 am

Santi wrote:
Power n Glory wrote:
Rayyo wrote:
Santi wrote:
Rayyo wrote:
Santi wrote:Liverpool weren't smart with coutinho though, it was a ridiculous offer that no club would turn down. People need to stop using it as an example of squad building tbh, they did well with the money but it rarely happens.


you just contradicted yourself.


How? It's rare that a club is so desperate and overpays so much for a player. The only smart thing Liverpool did was buying him for 8m in the first place, the rest was pure stupidity from Barcelona.


i said liverpool done smart business. you said it wasn't smart then you said it rarely happens.

so it was smart then.


I agree. It was smart and it wasn't rare for Liverpool. The fee for Coutinho was massive and probably the peak of their transfer strategy but that Klopp team was years in the making. They sold well and reinvested in some good players that played a key role in getting them to where they are. It started before Klopp arrived.

2014. They sold Suarez for big money one season and that was probably the start of the rebuild.

2015. They did the same the following season when selling Sterling and bought Firmino and Joe Gomez.

2016. They wasted no timing getting rid of Benteke and a few other dead weight players. That paid for Mane and Wijnaldum.

2017. Then the sold Coutinho for that massive fee.



Then use those deals to show their smart business and rebuild, not the coutinho fluke. Also without the latter, they'd still have been shit. My point, as I said originally, is you can't use them as a benchmark. It would've taken them at least a couple more years to get where they are if they didn't have Barca massively overpaying for Coutinho.

This is all on top of the best transfer they made, signing a world class manager in Klopp. Anyone whoexpects us to be able to rise as quick as Liverpool did is nuts, we aren't going to get 120m for Martinelli in the next 2 seasons so it'll be a lot longer process. No doubt Liverpool have done great over the last 8 years in the transfer market, but the Coutinho deal was a complete rarity that helped them go from top 4 challengers to top of Europe.


What Rayyo said wasn't that complex. Shouldn't take much explanation really. We've all seen the bad business deals we've done over the years. Outside of outside investment or a new sponsorship deal, this is the quickest way to raise transfer funds.

Liverpool raised funds to get themselves into the top 4 and then doubled down on the transfer strategy to make it to the top. Of course, it doesn't work without Klopp but if we believe in Arteta's ability to produce talent, it's not a bad example to look at. You look at at our rivals and what they've been able to sell their top players for and then look at us and what we've sold our top players for. It's a joke.
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Re: Odsonne Edouard

Postby Power n Glory » Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:36 am

Özim wrote:Whilst Barca overpaid for Coutinho, it was also a direct consequence of his form and also Liverpool’s ambition and upward trajectory.

If you look at the clubs who sell players for big money, they’re the clubs who are generally on an upwards trajectory or clubs who are already perceived to be successful.

Our problem has been that we’ve been on an downward trajectory and have on top of this compounded things by letting a players run down their contracts.

Of course there is some luck when it comes to Coutinho, but they made their own luck in the same way Monaco did when selling Mbappe and most of their big talents for big money.


The people behind the scenes negotiating these deals for Arsenal have been doing a piss poor job. I can't think of another top club that has produced so much talent but has sold so cheaply. From Henry to Cesc and RVP...we've sold cheap and at the wrong moments. We haven't received anything close to world record fee despite having players that have been phenomenal. Heck, how comes Lille can get a good deal for Pepe but we're still getting peanuts for our players?

Difference between us and Liverpool in approach has been there for years. They made sure they didn't sell Fernando Torres to Chelsea for cheap. £50m in 2010/11! They flat out refused to sell Mascherano to there rivals Utd. They held out for Barca to pay a fee. They wouldn't budge on Saurz's deal to us and told us to f off when we tried to activate that £40m transfer clause.

You just have to look at who we've sold to and the prices we've sold for in comparison. Then to make it worse, look back at the players we invested in. It's a shambles and needs improving.
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Re: Odsonne Edouard

Postby billie86 » Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:09 am

Power n Glory wrote:
Özim wrote:Whilst Barca overpaid for Coutinho, it was also a direct consequence of his form and also Liverpool’s ambition and upward trajectory.

If you look at the clubs who sell players for big money, they’re the clubs who are generally on an upwards trajectory or clubs who are already perceived to be successful.

Our problem has been that we’ve been on an downward trajectory and have on top of this compounded things by letting a players run down their contracts.

Of course there is some luck when it comes to Coutinho, but they made their own luck in the same way Monaco did when selling Mbappe and most of their big talents for big money.


The people behind the scenes negotiating these deals for Arsenal have been doing a piss poor job. I can't think of another top club that has produced so much talent but has sold so cheaply. From Henry to Cesc and RVP...we've sold cheap and at the wrong moments. We haven't received anything close to world record fee despite having players that have been phenomenal. Heck, how comes Lille can get a good deal for Pepe but we're still getting peanuts for our players?

Difference between us and Liverpool in approach has been there for years. They made sure they didn't sell Fernando Torres to Chelsea for cheap. £50m in 2010/11! They flat out refused to sell Mascherano to there rivals Utd. They held out for Barca to pay a fee. They wouldn't budge on Saurz's deal to us and told us to f off when we tried to activate that £40m transfer clause.

You just have to look at who we've sold to and the prices we've sold for in comparison. Then to make it worse, look back at the players we invested in. It's a shambles and needs improving.


Maybe the sale of Martinez is a sign of things to come, they have also invested heavily in youth and done some good business, hopefully this is a sign of a different approach. If you look at the likes of martinelli, nketiah, saka, Amn, bellerin, balogun, Guendouzi they are players who had low investment in monetary terms but would now be worth considerably more. Even though edourd may not be needed he would potentially be a good investment if we could get him for 20 million, a half decent season in the EPL and he's worth 35.
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Re: Odsonne Edouard

Postby Power n Glory » Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:58 am

billie86 wrote:
Power n Glory wrote:
Özim wrote:Whilst Barca overpaid for Coutinho, it was also a direct consequence of his form and also Liverpool’s ambition and upward trajectory.

If you look at the clubs who sell players for big money, they’re the clubs who are generally on an upwards trajectory or clubs who are already perceived to be successful.

Our problem has been that we’ve been on an downward trajectory and have on top of this compounded things by letting a players run down their contracts.

Of course there is some luck when it comes to Coutinho, but they made their own luck in the same way Monaco did when selling Mbappe and most of their big talents for big money.


The people behind the scenes negotiating these deals for Arsenal have been doing a piss poor job. I can't think of another top club that has produced so much talent but has sold so cheaply. From Henry to Cesc and RVP...we've sold cheap and at the wrong moments. We haven't received anything close to world record fee despite having players that have been phenomenal. Heck, how comes Lille can get a good deal for Pepe but we're still getting peanuts for our players?

Difference between us and Liverpool in approach has been there for years. They made sure they didn't sell Fernando Torres to Chelsea for cheap. £50m in 2010/11! They flat out refused to sell Mascherano to there rivals Utd. They held out for Barca to pay a fee. They wouldn't budge on Saurz's deal to us and told us to f off when we tried to activate that £40m transfer clause.

You just have to look at who we've sold to and the prices we've sold for in comparison. Then to make it worse, look back at the players we invested in. It's a shambles and needs improving.


Maybe the sale of Martinez is a sign of things to come, they have also invested heavily in youth and done some good business, hopefully this is a sign of a different approach. If you look at the likes of martinelli, nketiah, saka, Amn, bellerin, balogun, Guendouzi they are players who had low investment in monetary terms but would now be worth considerably more. Even though edourd may not be needed he would potentially be a good investment if we could get him for 20 million, a half decent season in the EPL and he's worth 35.



Yes, we haven't got it right in the past but I will say it's good to see we're now trying to adapt and adapt quicker instead of letting things play out for so long. The major moves we've made in terms of structure can be seen as positive and the higher ups paying attention. More accountability and consequences.
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Re: Odsonne Edouard

Postby Santi » Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:13 pm

Rayyo wrote:
Santi wrote:
Rayyo wrote:
Santi wrote:
Rayyo wrote:
Santi wrote:Liverpool weren't smart with coutinho though, it was a ridiculous offer that no club would turn down. People need to stop using it as an example of squad building tbh, they did well with the money but it rarely happens.


you just contradicted yourself.


How? It's rare that a club is so desperate and overpays so much for a player. The only smart thing Liverpool did was buying him for 8m in the first place, the rest was pure stupidity from Barcelona.


i said liverpool done smart business. you said it wasn't smart then you said it rarely happens.

so it was smart then.


The overpaying part from Barca rarely happens. It was dumb from them, nothing to do with Liverpool. You'd be stupid to turn down 120m for a player who was really worth 60m max. If not being stupid = being smart for you then sure.


you contradicting yourself has nothing to do with barca overpaying.


I didn't contradict myself, you've just decided that for yourself.

Either not being stupid = smart for you or something being rare makes it smart for you...which one is it? Because I disagree with both.
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Re: Odsonne Edouard

Postby Santi » Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:17 pm

Power n Glory wrote:
Santi wrote:
Power n Glory wrote:
Rayyo wrote:
Santi wrote:
Rayyo wrote:
Santi wrote:Liverpool weren't smart with coutinho though, it was a ridiculous offer that no club would turn down. People need to stop using it as an example of squad building tbh, they did well with the money but it rarely happens.


you just contradicted yourself.


How? It's rare that a club is so desperate and overpays so much for a player. The only smart thing Liverpool did was buying him for 8m in the first place, the rest was pure stupidity from Barcelona.


i said liverpool done smart business. you said it wasn't smart then you said it rarely happens.

so it was smart then.


I agree. It was smart and it wasn't rare for Liverpool. The fee for Coutinho was massive and probably the peak of their transfer strategy but that Klopp team was years in the making. They sold well and reinvested in some good players that played a key role in getting them to where they are. It started before Klopp arrived.

2014. They sold Suarez for big money one season and that was probably the start of the rebuild.

2015. They did the same the following season when selling Sterling and bought Firmino and Joe Gomez.

2016. They wasted no timing getting rid of Benteke and a few other dead weight players. That paid for Mane and Wijnaldum.

2017. Then the sold Coutinho for that massive fee.



Then use those deals to show their smart business and rebuild, not the coutinho fluke. Also without the latter, they'd still have been shit. My point, as I said originally, is you can't use them as a benchmark. It would've taken them at least a couple more years to get where they are if they didn't have Barca massively overpaying for Coutinho.

This is all on top of the best transfer they made, signing a world class manager in Klopp. Anyone whoexpects us to be able to rise as quick as Liverpool did is nuts, we aren't going to get 120m for Martinelli in the next 2 seasons so it'll be a lot longer process. No doubt Liverpool have done great over the last 8 years in the transfer market, but the Coutinho deal was a complete rarity that helped them go from top 4 challengers to top of Europe.


What Rayyo said wasn't that complex. Shouldn't take much explanation really. We've all seen the bad business deals we've done over the years. Outside of outside investment or a new sponsorship deal, this is the quickest way to raise transfer funds.

Liverpool raised funds to get themselves into the top 4 and then doubled down on the transfer strategy to make it to the top. Of course, it doesn't work without Klopp but if we believe in Arteta's ability to produce talent, it's not a bad example to look at. You look at at our rivals and what they've been able to sell their top players for and then look at us and what we've sold our top players for. It's a joke.


I don't know why you have this new tendency to try and add something patronising to add weight to your argument but it's a shame because the rest of your post I would agree with. Problem is when people specifically always use Coutinho as an example when he is 100% an anomaly. Not complex at all, I agree :)
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Re: Odsonne Edouard

Postby Santi » Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:20 pm

Power n Glory wrote:
Özim wrote:Whilst Barca overpaid for Coutinho, it was also a direct consequence of his form and also Liverpool’s ambition and upward trajectory.

If you look at the clubs who sell players for big money, they’re the clubs who are generally on an upwards trajectory or clubs who are already perceived to be successful.

Our problem has been that we’ve been on an downward trajectory and have on top of this compounded things by letting a players run down their contracts.

Of course there is some luck when it comes to Coutinho, but they made their own luck in the same way Monaco did when selling Mbappe and most of their big talents for big money.


The people behind the scenes negotiating these deals for Arsenal have been doing a piss poor job. I can't think of another top club that has produced so much talent but has sold so cheaply. From Henry to Cesc and RVP...we've sold cheap and at the wrong moments. We haven't received anything close to world record fee despite having players that have been phenomenal. Heck, how comes Lille can get a good deal for Pepe but we're still getting peanuts for our players?

Difference between us and Liverpool in approach has been there for years. They made sure they didn't sell Fernando Torres to Chelsea for cheap. £50m in 2010/11! They flat out refused to sell Mascherano to there rivals Utd. They held out for Barca to pay a fee. They wouldn't budge on Saurz's deal to us and told us to f off when we tried to activate that £40m transfer clause.

You just have to look at who we've sold to and the prices we've sold for in comparison. Then to make it worse, look back at the players we invested in. It's a shambles and needs improving.


Again think everyone would agree this has been one of our biggest downfalls. It stemmed from the stadium build which we thought would give us a huge advantage,only to watch the power shift to money clubs and those who are most active and aggressive in the transfer market.

Most moan at Chelsea's loanfest but they are the club who rely the most on transfer income as a proportion of revenue every single year...working pretty well for them in my view, meanwhile we're relying on ticket sales with no fans in the stadium, classic.
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Re: Odsonne Edouard

Postby Power n Glory » Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:48 pm

Santi wrote:
Power n Glory wrote:
Santi wrote:
Power n Glory wrote:
Rayyo wrote:
Santi wrote:
Rayyo wrote:
Santi wrote:Liverpool weren't smart with coutinho though, it was a ridiculous offer that no club would turn down. People need to stop using it as an example of squad building tbh, they did well with the money but it rarely happens.


you just contradicted yourself.


How? It's rare that a club is so desperate and overpays so much for a player. The only smart thing Liverpool did was buying him for 8m in the first place, the rest was pure stupidity from Barcelona.


i said liverpool done smart business. you said it wasn't smart then you said it rarely happens.

so it was smart then.


I agree. It was smart and it wasn't rare for Liverpool. The fee for Coutinho was massive and probably the peak of their transfer strategy but that Klopp team was years in the making. They sold well and reinvested in some good players that played a key role in getting them to where they are. It started before Klopp arrived.

2014. They sold Suarez for big money one season and that was probably the start of the rebuild.

2015. They did the same the following season when selling Sterling and bought Firmino and Joe Gomez.

2016. They wasted no timing getting rid of Benteke and a few other dead weight players. That paid for Mane and Wijnaldum.

2017. Then the sold Coutinho for that massive fee.



Then use those deals to show their smart business and rebuild, not the coutinho fluke. Also without the latter, they'd still have been shit. My point, as I said originally, is you can't use them as a benchmark. It would've taken them at least a couple more years to get where they are if they didn't have Barca massively overpaying for Coutinho.

This is all on top of the best transfer they made, signing a world class manager in Klopp. Anyone whoexpects us to be able to rise as quick as Liverpool did is nuts, we aren't going to get 120m for Martinelli in the next 2 seasons so it'll be a lot longer process. No doubt Liverpool have done great over the last 8 years in the transfer market, but the Coutinho deal was a complete rarity that helped them go from top 4 challengers to top of Europe.


What Rayyo said wasn't that complex. Shouldn't take much explanation really. We've all seen the bad business deals we've done over the years. Outside of outside investment or a new sponsorship deal, this is the quickest way to raise transfer funds.

Liverpool raised funds to get themselves into the top 4 and then doubled down on the transfer strategy to make it to the top. Of course, it doesn't work without Klopp but if we believe in Arteta's ability to produce talent, it's not a bad example to look at. You look at at our rivals and what they've been able to sell their top players for and then look at us and what we've sold our top players for. It's a joke.


I don't know why you have this new tendency to try and add something patronising to add weight to your argument but it's a shame because the rest of your post I would agree with. Problem is when people specifically always use Coutinho as an example when he is 100% an anomaly. Not complex at all, I agree :)


Take it as being patronising but it's not as if you've never adopted a similar tone when responding to me. But putting that aside, I think you're nitpicking at Rayyo's example.

Even if we looked at the Countinho example specifically, the smart thing about Liverpool's approach is that they bought him for peanuts and once he started pulling out big performances and attracting enquired from Barca, they signed him to long term contract and made him one of the highest paid players. That was a year before they allowed him to leave. So where was some sort of foresight behind they're thinking.

They knew he was attracting attention and considering the market was going crazy around that time, they knew a massive bid could come there way and made sure they were in a strong position. I don't think they even accepted Barca's first bid. They took the maximum. We need to do the same with our players. Forget the price tag when thinking of Coutinho. It's about trying to get the maximum fee.
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Re: Odsonne Edouard

Postby Santi » Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:19 pm

banging on and on playing word chess like omphi yet the bits you bolded in the first place aren't contradictory. So either answer my question or stop replying because you're adding nothing.

Now if you want to argue the original 8m purchase of Coutinho was the smart bit and the sale fee doesn't matter, please go ahead, that would at least be a valid argument but I shouldn't have to hand it to you.
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Re: Odsonne Edouard

Postby Santi » Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:23 pm

Power n Glory wrote:
Santi wrote:
Power n Glory wrote:
Santi wrote:
Power n Glory wrote:
Rayyo wrote:
Santi wrote:
Rayyo wrote:
Santi wrote:Liverpool weren't smart with coutinho though, it was a ridiculous offer that no club would turn down. People need to stop using it as an example of squad building tbh, they did well with the money but it rarely happens.


you just contradicted yourself.


How? It's rare that a club is so desperate and overpays so much for a player. The only smart thing Liverpool did was buying him for 8m in the first place, the rest was pure stupidity from Barcelona.


i said liverpool done smart business. you said it wasn't smart then you said it rarely happens.

so it was smart then.


I agree. It was smart and it wasn't rare for Liverpool. The fee for Coutinho was massive and probably the peak of their transfer strategy but that Klopp team was years in the making. They sold well and reinvested in some good players that played a key role in getting them to where they are. It started before Klopp arrived.

2014. They sold Suarez for big money one season and that was probably the start of the rebuild.

2015. They did the same the following season when selling Sterling and bought Firmino and Joe Gomez.

2016. They wasted no timing getting rid of Benteke and a few other dead weight players. That paid for Mane and Wijnaldum.

2017. Then the sold Coutinho for that massive fee.



Then use those deals to show their smart business and rebuild, not the coutinho fluke. Also without the latter, they'd still have been shit. My point, as I said originally, is you can't use them as a benchmark. It would've taken them at least a couple more years to get where they are if they didn't have Barca massively overpaying for Coutinho.

This is all on top of the best transfer they made, signing a world class manager in Klopp. Anyone whoexpects us to be able to rise as quick as Liverpool did is nuts, we aren't going to get 120m for Martinelli in the next 2 seasons so it'll be a lot longer process. No doubt Liverpool have done great over the last 8 years in the transfer market, but the Coutinho deal was a complete rarity that helped them go from top 4 challengers to top of Europe.


What Rayyo said wasn't that complex. Shouldn't take much explanation really. We've all seen the bad business deals we've done over the years. Outside of outside investment or a new sponsorship deal, this is the quickest way to raise transfer funds.

Liverpool raised funds to get themselves into the top 4 and then doubled down on the transfer strategy to make it to the top. Of course, it doesn't work without Klopp but if we believe in Arteta's ability to produce talent, it's not a bad example to look at. You look at at our rivals and what they've been able to sell their top players for and then look at us and what we've sold our top players for. It's a joke.


I don't know why you have this new tendency to try and add something patronising to add weight to your argument but it's a shame because the rest of your post I would agree with. Problem is when people specifically always use Coutinho as an example when he is 100% an anomaly. Not complex at all, I agree :)


Take it as being patronising but it's not as if you've never adopted a similar tone when responding to me. But putting that aside, I think you're nitpicking at Rayyo's example.

Even if we looked at the Countinho example specifically, the smart thing about Liverpool's approach is that they bought him for peanuts and once he started pulling out big performances and attracting enquired from Barca, they signed him to long term contract and made him one of the highest paid players. That was a year before they allowed him to leave. So where was some sort of foresight behind they're thinking.

They knew he was attracting attention and considering the market was going crazy around that time, they knew a massive bid could come there way and made sure they were in a strong position. I don't think they even accepted Barca's first bid. They took the maximum. We need to do the same with our players. Forget the price tag when thinking of Coutinho. It's about trying to get the maximum fee.


More the fact that you've been recently doing the same to jayram and HH that I've noticed as well. That's why I called it a tendency.

And yes I certainly am nitpicking, that's the whole point, I don't like people using coutinho as the example, use Liverpool's business over the last 10 years instead. Also acknowledge that we're unlikely to see the likes of the Coutinho deal again (maybe very rarely as I said) so at least most clubs, even when following their example, would take longer to see the improvements with all else being the same.

That's all. Agree with the rest of your comments on the approach. Fair argument on the coutinho part as well :)
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Re: Odsonne Edouard

Postby Callum » Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:31 pm

can we get back on topic and talk about french eddy some more please

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Re: Odsonne Edouard

Postby Power n Glory » Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:45 pm

Santi wrote:
Power n Glory wrote:
Santi wrote:
Power n Glory wrote:
Santi wrote:
Power n Glory wrote:
Rayyo wrote:
Santi wrote:
Rayyo wrote:
Santi wrote:Liverpool weren't smart with coutinho though, it was a ridiculous offer that no club would turn down. People need to stop using it as an example of squad building tbh, they did well with the money but it rarely happens.


you just contradicted yourself.


How? It's rare that a club is so desperate and overpays so much for a player. The only smart thing Liverpool did was buying him for 8m in the first place, the rest was pure stupidity from Barcelona.


i said liverpool done smart business. you said it wasn't smart then you said it rarely happens.

so it was smart then.


I agree. It was smart and it wasn't rare for Liverpool. The fee for Coutinho was massive and probably the peak of their transfer strategy but that Klopp team was years in the making. They sold well and reinvested in some good players that played a key role in getting them to where they are. It started before Klopp arrived.

2014. They sold Suarez for big money one season and that was probably the start of the rebuild.

2015. They did the same the following season when selling Sterling and bought Firmino and Joe Gomez.

2016. They wasted no timing getting rid of Benteke and a few other dead weight players. That paid for Mane and Wijnaldum.

2017. Then the sold Coutinho for that massive fee.



Then use those deals to show their smart business and rebuild, not the coutinho fluke. Also without the latter, they'd still have been shit. My point, as I said originally, is you can't use them as a benchmark. It would've taken them at least a couple more years to get where they are if they didn't have Barca massively overpaying for Coutinho.

This is all on top of the best transfer they made, signing a world class manager in Klopp. Anyone whoexpects us to be able to rise as quick as Liverpool did is nuts, we aren't going to get 120m for Martinelli in the next 2 seasons so it'll be a lot longer process. No doubt Liverpool have done great over the last 8 years in the transfer market, but the Coutinho deal was a complete rarity that helped them go from top 4 challengers to top of Europe.


What Rayyo said wasn't that complex. Shouldn't take much explanation really. We've all seen the bad business deals we've done over the years. Outside of outside investment or a new sponsorship deal, this is the quickest way to raise transfer funds.

Liverpool raised funds to get themselves into the top 4 and then doubled down on the transfer strategy to make it to the top. Of course, it doesn't work without Klopp but if we believe in Arteta's ability to produce talent, it's not a bad example to look at. You look at at our rivals and what they've been able to sell their top players for and then look at us and what we've sold our top players for. It's a joke.


I don't know why you have this new tendency to try and add something patronising to add weight to your argument but it's a shame because the rest of your post I would agree with. Problem is when people specifically always use Coutinho as an example when he is 100% an anomaly. Not complex at all, I agree :)


Take it as being patronising but it's not as if you've never adopted a similar tone when responding to me. But putting that aside, I think you're nitpicking at Rayyo's example.

Even if we looked at the Countinho example specifically, the smart thing about Liverpool's approach is that they bought him for peanuts and once he started pulling out big performances and attracting enquired from Barca, they signed him to long term contract and made him one of the highest paid players. That was a year before they allowed him to leave. So where was some sort of foresight behind they're thinking.

They knew he was attracting attention and considering the market was going crazy around that time, they knew a massive bid could come there way and made sure they were in a strong position. I don't think they even accepted Barca's first bid. They took the maximum. We need to do the same with our players. Forget the price tag when thinking of Coutinho. It's about trying to get the maximum fee.


More the fact that you've been recently doing the same to jayram and HH that I've noticed as well. That's why I called it a tendency.


It's a tendency across the forum for the majority of posters. I see scraps daily between different posters and most can give as good as they get. It's not as if your above that sort of thing either, but if that's your clique and your standing up for them, that's cool.
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Watching the old firm derby. This pubber looks pretty good. Great touch on him.
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