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Re: American Politics

Postby Va-Va-Voom » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:26 pm

Royal Gooner wrote:
Santi wrote:Biden just won the election


With his token black woman.


Why don't the Republicans do it then?

Biden won the election because Trump is a r***rd.
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Re: American Politics

Postby Yago » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:37 pm

Royal Gooner wrote:
Santi wrote:Biden just won the election


With his token black woman.


Because all those white men who became VP totally did so on merit. As if Pence wasn't picked specifically to pander to evangelicals. Harris is an incredibly smart and educated woman with plenty of experience. To imply that she somehow took the place of some poor undervalued white man just based on her sex and ethnicity is ridiculous and disgusting.
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Re: American Politics

Postby LMAO » Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:58 pm

Jedi wrote:I wanted Warren ffs


Too old. Can't have two septuagenarians on the ticket.

Biden might tap her for Treasury secretary though.
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Re: American Politics

Postby LMAO » Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:06 am

Royal Gooner wrote:
Santi wrote:Biden just won the election


With his token black woman.


Harris is mixed.

But, explain Herman Cain. Or Ben Carson. Or Kanye. Why did their campaigns go nowhere if America loves tokenism? Couldn't possibly be because those three are jokes and Harris is actually a pretty good candidate :think:
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Re: American Politics

Postby LMAO » Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:12 am

Va-Va-Voom wrote:
Royal Gooner wrote:
Santi wrote:Biden just won the election


With his token black woman.


Why don't the Republicans do it then?

Biden won the election because Trump is a r***rd.


It's been inevitable since Super Tuesday tbh when Biden blew Bernie tf out despite Biden hardly spending any money. The coronavirus and Trump's handling of race relations (and now social security) just turns the question into how much Biden will win by.

Plus Biden isn't hampered by the misogyny Clinton faced.
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Re: American Politics

Postby EliteKiller » Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:35 am

Harris has a huge number of issues behind her - the Dems will hope her blackness makes any attack look racist - that simply won't work, remember the vast majority of Americans don't expect Biden to last a full term so they will be voting for Harris as a president ... will that play well?
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Re: American Politics

Postby Santi » Wed Aug 12, 2020 1:19 am

She's got both the B and the A from BAME covered, huge win for the democrats. Helps shes not a complete tard as well but he was always going to pick a black woman to help wash his hands of that old bill, just surprised it wasn't michelle obama tbh.
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Re: American Politics

Postby EliteKiller » Wed Aug 12, 2020 1:50 am

Santi wrote:She's got both the B and the A from BAME covered, huge win for the democrats. Helps shes not a complete tard as well but he was always going to pick a black woman to help wash his hands of that old bill, just surprised it wasn't michelle obama tbh.


I think that's the idea but in the primaries she got less than 10% of the BAME vote - just because you're BAME doesn't mean you get the BAME vote to believe as much is dangerously arrogant - it's like Trump believing he will get 100% of the white vote, thankfully voters do see past the colour of the skin, and that's where Harris is a bit weak, she's a great fighter of lost causes but not a great leader of the masses ... so far once she's gotten outside her home state she has proven to be very unsuccessful, will that simply change because she's BAME friendly? guess we're going to find out.
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Re: American Politics

Postby LMAO » Wed Aug 12, 2020 3:53 am

Santi wrote:She's got both the B and the A from BAME covered, huge win for the democrats. Helps shes not a complete tard as well but he was always going to pick a black woman to help wash his hands of that old bill, just surprised it wasn't michelle obama tbh.


She wasn't interested iirc

Though I'm ready for Joe to nominate Barack as a Supreme Court Justice if the Dems take back the Senate :cloud9:
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Re: American Politics

Postby Angelito » Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:48 am

Jedi wrote:
What the f**k is this dude doing? Kamala Harris isn't even close to anything resembling the "radical-left" lmao.


Harris is further to the right than 90% of the republicans some 40 years ago.
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Re: American Politics

Postby LMAO » Wed Aug 12, 2020 6:09 am

Angelito wrote:
Jedi wrote:
What the f**k is this dude doing? Kamala Harris isn't even close to anything resembling the "radical-left" lmao.


Harris is further to the right than 90% of the republicans some 40 years ago.


I believe you've got the wrong Kamala Harris.

Harris is the 4th most progressive senator by crucial votes and 5th by overall votes: https://progressivepunch.org/scores.htm?house=senate

She was the most liberal senator in 2019: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/member ... e/ideology
4th in 2018: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/member ... e/ideology
8th in 2017: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/member ... e/ideology
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Re: American Politics

Postby Angelito » Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:30 am

LMAO wrote:
Angelito wrote:
Jedi wrote:
What the f**k is this dude doing? Kamala Harris isn't even close to anything resembling the "radical-left" lmao.


Harris is further to the right than 90% of the republicans some 40 years ago.


I believe you've got the wrong Kamala Harris.

Harris is the 4th most progressive senator by crucial votes and 5th by overall votes: https://progressivepunch.org/scores.htm?house=senate

She was the most liberal senator in 2019: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/member ... e/ideology
4th in 2018: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/member ... e/ideology
8th in 2017: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/member ... e/ideology


More liberal and progressive than Bernie Sanders?

That's quite something as Bernie was too liberal for America and Kamala caters to both sides of the spectrum. She's good enough for the SJWs for her views on social reform and she's not extreme enough for the libertarians with her healthcare and economic policies, which essentially places her as a centrist with progressive views.

That's my initial point. 40-50 years ago, Republicans weren't the tin-foil extremists they've since become. Kamala would fit right in with them if she had to travel back into time.

Three questions about Kamala Harris

1. What’s Ms. Harris’s position on health care?
She’s held several of them. Originally, she was a sponsor of the Medicare for All bill offered by Senator Bernie Sanders, which would create a single-payer system and eliminate private health insurance.

But she seemed to change her position frequently on elements of Medicare for All until she released her own proposal in July. Unlike the Sanders bill, her plan would maintain a limited role for private insurers and seek to pay for costs without raising taxes on the middle class.

2. Is Ms. Harris a progressive?
She has described herself as a “progressive prosecutor” during her time as a district attorney and attorney general in California. While she pushed leftward on issues like gay marriage and the death penalty, she sometimes enraged liberals by refusing to go further.

In the presidential race, Ms. Harris has styled herself as a pragmatic problem solver. In many ways, she's indicative of how Democrats have broadly moved to the left, even if she remains more moderate than the most vocal progressive firebrands.

3. How does Ms. Harris talk about her identity?
Ms. Harris is of Jamaican and Indian descent, and she is the most viable candidate who is a black or Indian woman to run for president. She attended a historically black college (Howard University), is a member of a prominent black sorority (Alpha Kappa Alpha) and visited India often while growing up. She often argues that her identity makes her uniquely suited to fight for people who have been traditionally ignored.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... arris.html
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Re: American Politics

Postby Phil71 » Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:25 am

'Woman of colour'.
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Re: American Politics

Postby jayramfootball » Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:51 am

Harris is not at all liberal in the truest sense of the word, she's a very dangerous authoritarian.
She's an aggressive character.
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Re: American Politics

Postby Royal Gooner » Wed Aug 12, 2020 3:30 pm

Yago wrote:
Royal Gooner wrote:
Santi wrote:Biden just won the election


With his token black woman.


Because all those white men who became VP totally did so on merit. As if Pence wasn't picked specifically to pander to evangelicals. Harris is an incredibly smart and educated woman with plenty of experience. To imply that she somehow took the place of some poor undervalued white man just based on her sex and ethnicity is ridiculous and disgusting.


Certainly wasn't on grounds to shamelessly pander to women and ethnic minorities as Biden seems to have done. I'm not saying she's taken a place, I'm just saying it was pretty clear Biden wanted a woman as he said so earlier, which makes it clear he was going to make the decision based not on merit but on chromosomes (and if they happen to have the right skin pigmentation, that's a bonus for ol' Joe because he can play on the Obama card a little more!)
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