Santi wrote:Well he already gave up being a fan once.
Shut up you little numpty
Doesn't surprise me in the slightest that youre not bothered by this, armchair clown
by UFGN » Fri Aug 07, 2020 6:25 pm
Santi wrote:Well he already gave up being a fan once.
by Santi » Fri Aug 07, 2020 6:31 pm
UFGN wrote:Santi wrote:Well he already gave up being a fan once.
Shut up you little numpty
Doesn't surprise me in the slightest that youre not bothered by this, armchair clown
by UFGN » Fri Aug 07, 2020 6:37 pm
by EliteKiller » Sat Aug 08, 2020 1:22 am
StLGooner wrote:I remember when I first came on this forum I suggested wage caps and/or transfer caps, and I pretty much got told that it was just a stupid American thing. Now I see some are starting to see the light.
by gooney » Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:42 am
by jayramfootball » Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:58 am
UFGN wrote:StLGooner wrote:It's unfortunate, but the players are what bring the team more revenue, not those 55 people, so you have to still invest in the team to get out of this financial rut. Would people feel better if we didn't announce signings at all, so their feelings weren't hurt? I get it, it sucks for those 55 people, but life goes on. I would imagine those 55 people would understand since they worked there. The fans don't pay money to go see them, they pay to see world class athletes, and world class athletes are what is going to bring in more money.
They are my local club and represent my local area. It is a coincidence as far as I'm concerned that they happen to be one of the biggest clubs in the country. I want success at the club but success with honour, and shafting people on a normal working wage in this way is not acceptable.
As a fan of a club which happens to be a big club, I put up with a lot including high ticket prices.... but stiffing regular staff to save a few quid is too much for me.
by jayramfootball » Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:06 am
EliteKiller wrote:StLGooner wrote:I remember when I first came on this forum I suggested wage caps and/or transfer caps, and I pretty much got told that it was just a stupid American thing. Now I see some are starting to see the light.
Only works in the US because sport is all played in a closed shop - a gang of twenty Kronke's decide everything - to compare that to world wide football is like comparing NASCAR Racing to F1 sure it might look similar with cars going around and around, but scratch the surface and the comparison soon disappears.
Football is the world game - Auba can go and get his 100k a week at any club on the planet - if you limit Arsenal to a salary cap of 50k a week we wouldn't have Auba or any top class players, let alone any world class ones ... football operates in a free market environment, the NFL and NBA are USA only closed shop playthings for their rich owners ... there is simply no realistic comparison.
Pushing for a 'closed shop' is exactly what owners like Kronke and the Glaziers want - 25 clubs in a European League with no relegation gives them guaranteed profit every year - that's what they want but it's not what we want. It is as you suggest a very Stupid American Thing you just don't understand why.
FYI - Arsenal were once guaranteed a place in any US style closed shop European league, we aren't anymore ... you want that?
by EliteKiller » Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:32 am
jayramfootball wrote:I think the idea of a wage cap extends to football overall, not just us.
I'd like to see players graded and fixed wages based on grade, with some bonuses for actually winning things.
Players could be regraded each season.
Top grade players - 10k a week, going down from there.
Ticket prices no more than 10 pounds for the best seats.
That, or something like it, is what SHOULD happen, but of course will not because football was completely ruined by money and fans became unimportant a long time ago. They are just cash cows now to be exploited. Football is like a one big drug cartel taking advantage of millions of ready made junkies.
We get to watch spoiled brat players, with far less talent than footballers of yesteryear, earning hundreds of grand a week and laughing their asses off at the fans.
I think the Stranglers song 'No more Heroes' sums it up nicely.
by Salibatelli » Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:48 am
EliteKiller wrote:jayramfootball wrote:I think the idea of a wage cap extends to football overall, not just us.
I'd like to see players graded and fixed wages based on grade, with some bonuses for actually winning things.
Players could be regraded each season.
Top grade players - 10k a week, going down from there.
Ticket prices no more than 10 pounds for the best seats.
That, or something like it, is what SHOULD happen, but of course will not because football was completely ruined by money and fans became unimportant a long time ago. They are just cash cows now to be exploited. Football is like a one big drug cartel taking advantage of millions of ready made junkies.
We get to watch spoiled brat players, with far less talent than footballers of yesteryear, earning hundreds of grand a week and laughing their asses off at the fans.
I think the Stranglers song 'No more Heroes' sums it up nicely.
You seem to have an incredibly myopic view off the world ...
Football is regularly played by an estimated 240m people in the world, just a tiny percentage, only a few thousand make a living playing football, and a minuscule statistically insignificant number end up as footballing millionaires. How can you boldly claim "football was completely ruined by money and fans became unimportant a long time ago" when money and fans have almost no bearing on 239.9m of the 240m who play football around the world.
Sometimes Jayram you do let your heart overtake your head, sure there's money in football, there was when we bribed our way into the 1st division back in 1919, but the money only impacts a very tiny minority ... jumpers for goalposts is still what football is all about if you play, and if you watch on TV then you want the best, and that means they get paid fortunes, but they are not alone:
Federer earns 106m a year for hitting a tennis ball, LeBron James 88m for playing hoops, Tiger Woods 65m for hitting a ball in a hole, Mayweather 55m for fighting, Hamilton 40m for driving a fast car .... so why should footballers miss out?
by hs6bx » Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:21 am
by jayramfootball » Sat Aug 08, 2020 12:16 pm
EliteKiller wrote:jayramfootball wrote:I think the idea of a wage cap extends to football overall, not just us.
I'd like to see players graded and fixed wages based on grade, with some bonuses for actually winning things.
Players could be regraded each season.
Top grade players - 10k a week, going down from there.
Ticket prices no more than 10 pounds for the best seats.
That, or something like it, is what SHOULD happen, but of course will not because football was completely ruined by money and fans became unimportant a long time ago. They are just cash cows now to be exploited. Football is like a one big drug cartel taking advantage of millions of ready made junkies.
We get to watch spoiled brat players, with far less talent than footballers of yesteryear, earning hundreds of grand a week and laughing their asses off at the fans.
I think the Stranglers song 'No more Heroes' sums it up nicely.
You seem to have an incredibly myopic view off the world ...
Football is regularly played by an estimated 240m people in the world, just a tiny percentage, only a few thousand make a living playing football, and a minuscule statistically insignificant number end up as footballing millionaires. How can you boldly claim "football was completely ruined by money and fans became unimportant a long time ago" when money and fans have almost no bearing on 239.9m of the 240m who play football around the world.
Sometimes Jayram you do let your heart overtake your head, sure there's money in football, there was when we bribed our way into the 1st division back in 1919, but the money only impacts a very tiny minority ... jumpers for goalposts is still what football is all about if you play, and if you watch on TV then you want the best, and that means they get paid fortunes, but they are not alone:
Federer earns 106m a year for hitting a tennis ball, LeBron James 88m for playing hoops, Tiger Woods 65m for hitting a ball in a hole, Mayweather 55m for fighting, Hamilton 40m for driving a fast car .... so why should footballers miss out?
by EliteKiller » Sat Aug 08, 2020 1:37 pm
jayramfootball wrote: In fairness, my heart does not rule my head - it just tells me what is right and wrong. None of these sports people should be earning the money they are. I say that because it costs a fortune to watch sports. We do it as fans because we are emotionally engaged to an extent that is far beyond any other 'product'.
I do not think sports is going to change back to being - well - sport ever again. It's all business and the fans are the ones exploited. No one can tell me it is right in any society that a footballer is paid hundreds of thousands a week whilst fans are paying a small fortune (and high percentage of their income) on attending football matches and buying TV packages.
My heart tells me that the money is obscene - in a society that seems to undervalue real contribution and pay peanuts to people that deserve far more.
My head tells me that is the way it is and is not going to change.
Like I said, sport has become a drug pushed by big business and we are the addicts.
by Dejan » Sat Aug 08, 2020 1:44 pm
LoldUFGN wrote:Santi wrote:Well he already gave up being a fan once.
Shut up you little numpty
Doesn't surprise me in the slightest that youre not bothered by this, armchair clown
by Santi » Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:50 pm
by Salibatelli » Sat Aug 08, 2020 9:12 pm
EliteKiller wrote:jayramfootball wrote: In fairness, my heart does not rule my head - it just tells me what is right and wrong. None of these sports people should be earning the money they are. I say that because it costs a fortune to watch sports. We do it as fans because we are emotionally engaged to an extent that is far beyond any other 'product'.
I do not think sports is going to change back to being - well - sport ever again. It's all business and the fans are the ones exploited. No one can tell me it is right in any society that a footballer is paid hundreds of thousands a week whilst fans are paying a small fortune (and high percentage of their income) on attending football matches and buying TV packages.
My heart tells me that the money is obscene - in a society that seems to undervalue real contribution and pay peanuts to people that deserve far more.
My head tells me that is the way it is and is not going to change.
Like I said, sport has become a drug pushed by big business and we are the addicts.
So would you ban all 'expensive' items? no more first class travel, no luxury cars, no houses over 100,000, no 5 star hotels? To pick on football seems a bit limited, enjoyed both playing and watching by a huge chunk of the world's population, who cares if a few dozen players make a lot of money when they bring such pleasure and pain to millions.
If you are a true communist who believes everyone should receive exactly the same then fair enough - but if that's true why are you posting on a website only accessible to the wealthiest 60% of people with internet access? isn't that a bit hypocritical?
Just exactly how are being exploited? are you forced to be a fan?