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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Salibatelli » Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:09 am

jayramfootball wrote:
Özim wrote:
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Özim wrote:The biggest issue is having an owner with no interest in football at all, he doesn’t come to matches, doesn’t know anything about football and really isn’t interested in learning about it either
, consequently there’s no real motivation to get better or strive for the best or indeed look for the best around, that’s why Wenger/Gazidis etc were around so long, no other top club would have put up with this realities failure for so long.

In the end it’s all about money, spending the least whilst trying to make the most, for years we got top 4 and everyone at the club apart from the best players were happy with that, now we’re dropping down the table, but the reality is no one is really that bothered.

I think all the other billionaire owners at least have an interest in football and come to matches.

I don’t see this changing, I mean come on which other too club do you see employing a guy with zero experience when they’ve had a terrible time of it?


There are plenty of Arsenal fans, including lifelong fans, who do not go to games.
You don't actually have any insight into whether Kroenke knows anything about football - that is your opinion but I am not sure what you are basing it on.
Similarly, you don't really know what interest Kroenke has in learning more about football.

Moreover, it doesn't really matter even a little if Kroenke was completely uninterested. He's the owner, not a coach or scout or even someone managing the finances day to day. What he HAS done is spent an absolute shed load of his money on the squad. That's all we can really ask of him. Him being in the stands is not going to make a blind bit of difference.

I also doubt very much he was in any way involved in the hiring of Arteta beyond a simple rubber stamping - he'd be about as involved as a major shareholder in a company filling a non board position.

As for Arteta - some good signs and some not so good.
Can't judge until we've been through a transfer window and fully established a way of playing.


It’s 100% matters and you can see it from the state of the club, no interest means no success, you can’t tell me the guy has any interest when he pretty much never talks about Arsenal and never comes to matches sorry. Even when we got to the EL he was in the us.

The owner is a very important part of the club, a decent owner makes all the difference, the best clubs have owners that are passionate about success on the pitch more often than not and they certainly show up to games.


How is the owner important to the club outside providing funds to improve?
Be specific about what you want him to do, because I don't get it.
Is him being in the stands going to improve performance on the pitch? How?
Do you think him breathing down the managers neck will help? There is already an org structure to do that.

Stop focusing on the LEAST important person at the club (beyond his money).
I don't want him anywhere near the club interfering in the day to day.


Well he employs the people in charge, so ultimately he is to blame.

Turning up, showing your face ultimately shows you have an interest and have some passion for the sport, how can you improve a business/club if you are indifferent about what it’s doing, that makes zero sense.

If you do believe in the product you won’t make it a success as ultimately you won’t be that bothered, that’s just simple business.

In the end this is just an investment to him, that’s all, success on the pitch doesn’t matter that much, as long as the club is worth what he wants it to be he’s fine with it.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Santi » Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:51 am

I'd agree with you mostly here Jayram but what it does do is start off a poor culture from the top. If the owner looks uninterested then that only gives others the right to not give a f**k as well. Now I hope most people involved have more personal motivation than that but when you look at the Chelsea and Liverpool owners, they not only spend money but set the tone that winning is imperative and they show a vested interest.

I see what you mean about him being a figurehead to sanction funds at the end of the day, and he has done, but I wouldn't dismiss completely that his lack of interest and attendance has some impact on those beneath him.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby theHotHead » Thu Jul 30, 2020 1:30 pm

Özim wrote:
EliteKiller wrote:
Özim wrote:It’s 100% matters and you can see it from the state of the club, no interest means no success, you can’t tell me the guy has any interest when he pretty much never talks about Arsenal and never comes to matches sorry. Even when we got to the EL he was in the us.

The owner is a very important part of the club, a decent owner makes all the difference, the best clubs have owners that are passionate about success on the pitch more often than not and they certainly show up to games.


Not sure that's true - without looking it up - can you name the owner in charge at the top twenty clubs in Europe? I had to look them up and reckon well over half have no visible presence at their clubs, far less than Kroenke.

We notice because it's our club but do you ever notice - Zhang Jindong at Inter? Paul Singer at AC? Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan at City? Tamim Bin Hamad Al Thani at PSG? Bayern don't even have a single owner ... Spurs have an absent billionaire ... Real and Barca are owned by the fans ... the list goes on.

Despite the press hype nearly all clubs do in fact abide by FFP and do live within the financial constraints of their business - you could replace Kroenke with any other unnamed individual and it's almost certain that financially nothing much would change ... we can dream of a 'sugar daddy' many teenagers do, but once we grow up we realise that we have to stand or fall on our own efforts not rely on handouts and charity ... the same applies at Arsenal, we are in the top ten of most valuable clubs on the planet and we are still ranked 10th in the UEFA coefficient ... blaming Kroenke for Arsenal's failure from board level to players is right because eventually the buck stops at the top ... but the real failure came from the inept hands on management (Gazidis / Wenger) and not from the owner.


No I can’t but what you do see is ambition from quite a few clubs, Chelsea, Liverpool, City, Man U, Inter, Real, Bayern, Juve, Barca, etc this club has zero ambition as has been shown in the last 15 years, always happy to settle for 4th place, excuses left right and centre and now even as we drop further very little signs of any genuine ambition at all, from the hiring of the manager, the kind of players we’re after, to hearing the manager praise players like Luiz, Mustafi and Xhaka and going as far as resigning the players who cost us points regularly it’s a joke.

This club is going nowhere and it definitely filters down from the top, the owner employs all these guys, if he really was interested he’d get rid and replace them with people who can do a much better job, but then Kroenke is the guy that let Gazidis stick around achieving nothing for the best part of a decade (and Wenger) so it’s no great surprise really.

I can’t believe you guys can’t see that the owner is ultimately the guy responsible because he employs the guys who handle those below them, yes of course others are also to blame, but as the owners he can replace them if he sees they’re not doing a great job and he doesn’t.

Kroenke has sanctioned shit loads on player purchases ! We have broken our club record at least 5 times since Kroenke took the helm. Hec, we obliterated our club record signing this season having already spent what was publicly assumed to be our transfer budget. What difference will him going to games bring ?? He is not preventing our progress. He hired specialists in various areas of club management, he fired Wenger and Emery, what more can he do ?
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Arsenal Tone » Thu Jul 30, 2020 1:48 pm

theHotHead wrote:
Özim wrote:
EliteKiller wrote:
Özim wrote:It’s 100% matters and you can see it from the state of the club, no interest means no success, you can’t tell me the guy has any interest when he pretty much never talks about Arsenal and never comes to matches sorry. Even when we got to the EL he was in the us.

The owner is a very important part of the club, a decent owner makes all the difference, the best clubs have owners that are passionate about success on the pitch more often than not and they certainly show up to games.


Not sure that's true - without looking it up - can you name the owner in charge at the top twenty clubs in Europe? I had to look them up and reckon well over half have no visible presence at their clubs, far less than Kroenke.

We notice because it's our club but do you ever notice - Zhang Jindong at Inter? Paul Singer at AC? Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan at City? Tamim Bin Hamad Al Thani at PSG? Bayern don't even have a single owner ... Spurs have an absent billionaire ... Real and Barca are owned by the fans ... the list goes on.

Despite the press hype nearly all clubs do in fact abide by FFP and do live within the financial constraints of their business - you could replace Kroenke with any other unnamed individual and it's almost certain that financially nothing much would change ... we can dream of a 'sugar daddy' many teenagers do, but once we grow up we realise that we have to stand or fall on our own efforts not rely on handouts and charity ... the same applies at Arsenal, we are in the top ten of most valuable clubs on the planet and we are still ranked 10th in the UEFA coefficient ... blaming Kroenke for Arsenal's failure from board level to players is right because eventually the buck stops at the top ... but the real failure came from the inept hands on management (Gazidis / Wenger) and not from the owner.


No I can’t but what you do see is ambition from quite a few clubs, Chelsea, Liverpool, City, Man U, Inter, Real, Bayern, Juve, Barca, etc this club has zero ambition as has been shown in the last 15 years, always happy to settle for 4th place, excuses left right and centre and now even as we drop further very little signs of any genuine ambition at all, from the hiring of the manager, the kind of players we’re after, to hearing the manager praise players like Luiz, Mustafi and Xhaka and going as far as resigning the players who cost us points regularly it’s a joke.

This club is going nowhere and it definitely filters down from the top, the owner employs all these guys, if he really was interested he’d get rid and replace them with people who can do a much better job, but then Kroenke is the guy that let Gazidis stick around achieving nothing for the best part of a decade (and Wenger) so it’s no great surprise really.

I can’t believe you guys can’t see that the owner is ultimately the guy responsible because he employs the guys who handle those below them, yes of course others are also to blame, but as the owners he can replace them if he sees they’re not doing a great job and he doesn’t.

Kroenke has sanctioned shit loads on player purchases ! We have broken our club record at least 5 times since Kroenke took the helm. Hec, we obliterated our club record signing this season having already spent what was publicly assumed to be our transfer budget. What difference will him going to games bring ?? He is not preventing our progress. He hired specialists in various areas of club management, he fired Wenger and Emery, what more can he do ?


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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Salibatelli » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:01 pm

theHotHead wrote:
Özim wrote:
EliteKiller wrote:
Özim wrote:It’s 100% matters and you can see it from the state of the club, no interest means no success, you can’t tell me the guy has any interest when he pretty much never talks about Arsenal and never comes to matches sorry. Even when we got to the EL he was in the us.

The owner is a very important part of the club, a decent owner makes all the difference, the best clubs have owners that are passionate about success on the pitch more often than not and they certainly show up to games.


Not sure that's true - without looking it up - can you name the owner in charge at the top twenty clubs in Europe? I had to look them up and reckon well over half have no visible presence at their clubs, far less than Kroenke.

We notice because it's our club but do you ever notice - Zhang Jindong at Inter? Paul Singer at AC? Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan at City? Tamim Bin Hamad Al Thani at PSG? Bayern don't even have a single owner ... Spurs have an absent billionaire ... Real and Barca are owned by the fans ... the list goes on.

Despite the press hype nearly all clubs do in fact abide by FFP and do live within the financial constraints of their business - you could replace Kroenke with any other unnamed individual and it's almost certain that financially nothing much would change ... we can dream of a 'sugar daddy' many teenagers do, but once we grow up we realise that we have to stand or fall on our own efforts not rely on handouts and charity ... the same applies at Arsenal, we are in the top ten of most valuable clubs on the planet and we are still ranked 10th in the UEFA coefficient ... blaming Kroenke for Arsenal's failure from board level to players is right because eventually the buck stops at the top ... but the real failure came from the inept hands on management (Gazidis / Wenger) and not from the owner.


No I can’t but what you do see is ambition from quite a few clubs, Chelsea, Liverpool, City, Man U, Inter, Real, Bayern, Juve, Barca, etc this club has zero ambition as has been shown in the last 15 years, always happy to settle for 4th place, excuses left right and centre and now even as we drop further very little signs of any genuine ambition at all, from the hiring of the manager, the kind of players we’re after, to hearing the manager praise players like Luiz, Mustafi and Xhaka and going as far as resigning the players who cost us points regularly it’s a joke.

This club is going nowhere and it definitely filters down from the top, the owner employs all these guys, if he really was interested he’d get rid and replace them with people who can do a much better job, but then Kroenke is the guy that let Gazidis stick around achieving nothing for the best part of a decade (and Wenger) so it’s no great surprise really.

I can’t believe you guys can’t see that the owner is ultimately the guy responsible because he employs the guys who handle those below them, yes of course others are also to blame, but as the owners he can replace them if he sees they’re not doing a great job and he doesn’t.

Kroenke has sanctioned shit loads on player purchases ! We have broken our club record at least 5 times since Kroenke took the helm. Hec, we obliterated our club record signing this season having already spent what was publicly assumed to be our transfer budget. What difference will him going to games bring ?? He is not preventing our progress. He hired specialists in various areas of club management, he fired Wenger and Emery, what more can he do ?


Let’s get this right, this is basically spending the money fans hand over to him, that’s standard at any football club, nothing special there, so yeah if you get kudos for using the money the fans give him, he’s great. The guy has never put a penny in, in fact he may well be taking money out now he owns the entire club, he also wouldn’t let Usmanov who owner a large percentage on the board at all, yet the guy was clearly more interested in football than him.

Specialists, specialists in failure perhaps because so far they’ve been awful appointments. Took him 13 years to get rid of Wenger and Gazidis was here for 10 years (and would still be here had he not chosen to leave) despite really doing a terrible job (as he’s doing at Milan now), these guys wouldn’t have last a season and a half at Chelsea, City or Man U, he’s a terrible owner, one of the worst around.

Abrahmovic, the City Owners, Liverpool owners and many others are much more visible than him and are clearly more interested in their respective clubs successes on the pitch, often attending games and actually not settling for 2nd rate employees either.

The day Kroenke bought Arsenal was a very sad day for the club, it hasn’t been the same since. It’s now a shadow of the great club it use to be.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby StLGooner » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:07 pm

Kroenke is a horrible owner and even worse human being. He doesn't care about the fans, or even the teams he owns. He cares about himself and his bank account only. He doesn't care about winning as long as he's profiting. There isn't one person I know that is happy with him as an owner of any of their clubs. He sold out his own hometown FFS just to make more money somewhere else, and don't think he wouldn't do it to us if he could. Nobody should want anyone like that anywhere near the club they love.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Salibatelli » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:09 pm

StLGooner wrote:Kroenke is a horrible owner and even worse human being. He doesn't care about the fans, or even the teams he owns. He cares about himself and his bank account only. He doesn't care about winning as long as he's profiting. There isn't one person I know that is happy with him as an owner of any of their clubs. He sold out his own hometown FFS just to make more money somewhere else, and don't think he wouldn't do it to us if he could. Nobody should want anyone like that anywhere near the club they love.


Spot on.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Highbury Hillbilly » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:43 pm

Liverpool are pretty much the only big club whose owners are investing for the good of the the club itself, and not as a way to whitewash their international image or move money offshore without people too many questions.

Billionaires who buy clubs to boost their egos tend to do horribly. Fulham, Hull City, Monaco, Milan and Valencia come to mind. Everton has been slipping down the table since the days of Moyes, even with Usmanov and Moshiri's money. Chelsea is the outlier, and their story likely can't be replicated again.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby hs6bx » Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:08 pm

Agree that the day Kronke took over was sad for the club. I don’t mind a rich American dude but having someone with at least some passion about football would probably lead to some better personnel and decisions below him. And because arsenal is such a cash cow he will just let it run as is... and the risk of people coming in on huge money and putting their feet up is huge. The fact that his son is so heavily involved worries me. Some young gun with a big ego and a point to prove... could be worse though... we could have Vincent Tan - that’s the Cardiff owner who wanted to sack Marshall because he didn’t score in the whole season... not realising that he played in goal!
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby jayramfootball » Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:53 pm

What I see from Kroenke is him investing a huge amount of his money into our squad.
That's all that is needed from him, so I give him an A+.

I would not, however, if I was him, give his managment team any money to spend. It should be sell and buy to break even.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby jayramfootball » Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:58 pm

Özim wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
Özim wrote:
EliteKiller wrote:
Özim wrote:It’s 100% matters and you can see it from the state of the club, no interest means no success, you can’t tell me the guy has any interest when he pretty much never talks about Arsenal and never comes to matches sorry. Even when we got to the EL he was in the us.

The owner is a very important part of the club, a decent owner makes all the difference, the best clubs have owners that are passionate about success on the pitch more often than not and they certainly show up to games.


Not sure that's true - without looking it up - can you name the owner in charge at the top twenty clubs in Europe? I had to look them up and reckon well over half have no visible presence at their clubs, far less than Kroenke.

We notice because it's our club but do you ever notice - Zhang Jindong at Inter? Paul Singer at AC? Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan at City? Tamim Bin Hamad Al Thani at PSG? Bayern don't even have a single owner ... Spurs have an absent billionaire ... Real and Barca are owned by the fans ... the list goes on.

Despite the press hype nearly all clubs do in fact abide by FFP and do live within the financial constraints of their business - you could replace Kroenke with any other unnamed individual and it's almost certain that financially nothing much would change ... we can dream of a 'sugar daddy' many teenagers do, but once we grow up we realise that we have to stand or fall on our own efforts not rely on handouts and charity ... the same applies at Arsenal, we are in the top ten of most valuable clubs on the planet and we are still ranked 10th in the UEFA coefficient ... blaming Kroenke for Arsenal's failure from board level to players is right because eventually the buck stops at the top ... but the real failure came from the inept hands on management (Gazidis / Wenger) and not from the owner.


No I can’t but what you do see is ambition from quite a few clubs, Chelsea, Liverpool, City, Man U, Inter, Real, Bayern, Juve, Barca, etc this club has zero ambition as has been shown in the last 15 years, always happy to settle for 4th place, excuses left right and centre and now even as we drop further very little signs of any genuine ambition at all, from the hiring of the manager, the kind of players we’re after, to hearing the manager praise players like Luiz, Mustafi and Xhaka and going as far as resigning the players who cost us points regularly it’s a joke.

This club is going nowhere and it definitely filters down from the top, the owner employs all these guys, if he really was interested he’d get rid and replace them with people who can do a much better job, but then Kroenke is the guy that let Gazidis stick around achieving nothing for the best part of a decade (and Wenger) so it’s no great surprise really.

I can’t believe you guys can’t see that the owner is ultimately the guy responsible because he employs the guys who handle those below them, yes of course others are also to blame, but as the owners he can replace them if he sees they’re not doing a great job and he doesn’t.

Kroenke has sanctioned shit loads on player purchases ! We have broken our club record at least 5 times since Kroenke took the helm. Hec, we obliterated our club record signing this season having already spent what was publicly assumed to be our transfer budget. What difference will him going to games bring ?? He is not preventing our progress. He hired specialists in various areas of club management, he fired Wenger and Emery, what more can he do ?


Let’s get this right, this is basically spending the money fans hand over to him, that’s standard at any football club, nothing special there, so yeah if you get kudos for using the money the fans give him, he’s great. The guy has never put a penny in, in fact he may well be taking money out now he owns the entire club, he also wouldn’t let Usmanov who owner a large percentage on the board at all, yet the guy was clearly more interested in football than him.

Specialists, specialists in failure perhaps because so far they’ve been awful appointments. Took him 13 years to get rid of Wenger and Gazidis was here for 10 years (and would still be here had he not chosen to leave) despite really doing a terrible job (as he’s doing at Milan now), these guys wouldn’t have last a season and a half at Chelsea, City or Man U, he’s a terrible owner, one of the worst around.

Abrahmovic, the City Owners, Liverpool owners and many others are much more visible than him and are clearly more interested in their respective clubs successes on the pitch, often attending games and actually not settling for 2nd rate employees either.

The day Kroenke bought Arsenal was a very sad day for the club, it hasn’t been the same since. It’s now a shadow of the great club it use to be.


It's not money 'fans hand over to him'. It's money fans pay for a product - willingly.
Everything that is spent investing in new players and contracts by Arsenal is Kroenke's money. Fans have absolutely zero claim on that money.
Your argument is like belittling shareholders of Apple for reinvesting in R&D by saying it's just money that customers hand over to them.
Total nonsense.

Kroenke has ploughed huge amounts of money into our playing staff and he should be lauded for that.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Salibatelli » Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:26 pm

jayramfootball wrote:
Özim wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
Özim wrote:
EliteKiller wrote:
Özim wrote:It’s 100% matters and you can see it from the state of the club, no interest means no success, you can’t tell me the guy has any interest when he pretty much never talks about Arsenal and never comes to matches sorry. Even when we got to the EL he was in the us.

The owner is a very important part of the club, a decent owner makes all the difference, the best clubs have owners that are passionate about success on the pitch more often than not and they certainly show up to games.


Not sure that's true - without looking it up - can you name the owner in charge at the top twenty clubs in Europe? I had to look them up and reckon well over half have no visible presence at their clubs, far less than Kroenke.

We notice because it's our club but do you ever notice - Zhang Jindong at Inter? Paul Singer at AC? Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan at City? Tamim Bin Hamad Al Thani at PSG? Bayern don't even have a single owner ... Spurs have an absent billionaire ... Real and Barca are owned by the fans ... the list goes on.

Despite the press hype nearly all clubs do in fact abide by FFP and do live within the financial constraints of their business - you could replace Kroenke with any other unnamed individual and it's almost certain that financially nothing much would change ... we can dream of a 'sugar daddy' many teenagers do, but once we grow up we realise that we have to stand or fall on our own efforts not rely on handouts and charity ... the same applies at Arsenal, we are in the top ten of most valuable clubs on the planet and we are still ranked 10th in the UEFA coefficient ... blaming Kroenke for Arsenal's failure from board level to players is right because eventually the buck stops at the top ... but the real failure came from the inept hands on management (Gazidis / Wenger) and not from the owner.


No I can’t but what you do see is ambition from quite a few clubs, Chelsea, Liverpool, City, Man U, Inter, Real, Bayern, Juve, Barca, etc this club has zero ambition as has been shown in the last 15 years, always happy to settle for 4th place, excuses left right and centre and now even as we drop further very little signs of any genuine ambition at all, from the hiring of the manager, the kind of players we’re after, to hearing the manager praise players like Luiz, Mustafi and Xhaka and going as far as resigning the players who cost us points regularly it’s a joke.

This club is going nowhere and it definitely filters down from the top, the owner employs all these guys, if he really was interested he’d get rid and replace them with people who can do a much better job, but then Kroenke is the guy that let Gazidis stick around achieving nothing for the best part of a decade (and Wenger) so it’s no great surprise really.

I can’t believe you guys can’t see that the owner is ultimately the guy responsible because he employs the guys who handle those below them, yes of course others are also to blame, but as the owners he can replace them if he sees they’re not doing a great job and he doesn’t.

Kroenke has sanctioned shit loads on player purchases ! We have broken our club record at least 5 times since Kroenke took the helm. Hec, we obliterated our club record signing this season having already spent what was publicly assumed to be our transfer budget. What difference will him going to games bring ?? He is not preventing our progress. He hired specialists in various areas of club management, he fired Wenger and Emery, what more can he do ?


Let’s get this right, this is basically spending the money fans hand over to him, that’s standard at any football club, nothing special there, so yeah if you get kudos for using the money the fans give him, he’s great. The guy has never put a penny in, in fact he may well be taking money out now he owns the entire club, he also wouldn’t let Usmanov who owner a large percentage on the board at all, yet the guy was clearly more interested in football than him.

Specialists, specialists in failure perhaps because so far they’ve been awful appointments. Took him 13 years to get rid of Wenger and Gazidis was here for 10 years (and would still be here had he not chosen to leave) despite really doing a terrible job (as he’s doing at Milan now), these guys wouldn’t have last a season and a half at Chelsea, City or Man U, he’s a terrible owner, one of the worst around.

Abrahmovic, the City Owners, Liverpool owners and many others are much more visible than him and are clearly more interested in their respective clubs successes on the pitch, often attending games and actually not settling for 2nd rate employees either.

The day Kroenke bought Arsenal was a very sad day for the club, it hasn’t been the same since. It’s now a shadow of the great club it use to be.


It's not money 'fans hand over to him'. It's money fans pay for a product - willingly.
Everything that is spent investing in new players and contracts by Arsenal is Kroenke's money. Fans have absolutely zero claim on that money.
Your argument is like belittling shareholders of Apple for reinvesting in R&D by saying it's just money that customers hand over to them.
Total nonsense.

Kroenke has ploughed huge amounts of money into our playing staff and he should be lauded for that.


He’s one of the worst owners out there no question, it’s costing him nothing, he’s making money off the back of our failure and couldn’t care less if we come 8th as long as his investment is still worth a decent amount.

Where the money comes from matters, it partly shows his lack of commitment, the fact he never comes to matches, never really talks about Arsenal and employs people who do a poor job and just seems to keep them on indefinitely further shows this.

I’m mystified that anyone can be happy this guy owns us, as I said it was a very sad day when he took ownership, to be owned by someone so disinterested in not only the club but football in general is a shocker, during the EL final he stayed in the US where he eventually showed up at the Super Bowl at a sport he actually is interested in.

Success filters down from the top, if someone isn’t interested then he won’t be too bothered who he employs or how they do just as long as his investment is still worth what he wants it to be.

Btw football clubs and Apple are two different things, they’re not comparable at all.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby EliteKiller » Fri Jul 31, 2020 12:22 am

Özim wrote:He’s one of the worst owners out there no question, it’s costing him nothing, he’s making money off the back of our failure and couldn’t care less if we come 8th as long as his investment is still worth a decent amount.

Where the money comes from matters, it partly shows his lack of commitment, the fact he never comes to matches, never really talks about Arsenal and employs people who do a poor job and just seems to keep them on indefinitely further shows this.

I’m mystified that anyone can be happy this guy owns us, as I said it was a very sad day when he took ownership, to be owned by someone so disinterested in not only the club but football in general is a shocker, during the EL final he stayed in the US where he eventually showed up at the Super Bowl at a sport he actually is interested in.

Success filters down from the top, if someone isn’t interested then he won’t be too bothered who he employs or how they do just as long as his investment is still worth what he wants it to be.

Btw football clubs and Apple are two different things, they’re not comparable at all.


Your grasp on investment is weird

Kroenke invested a billion (1.029m) in buying Arsenal ... in what world is that NO MONEY? Any investor would expect a return on their investment that would come via dividends and increased share value ... so what would be a reasonable dividend return?

How about 5%? that's about what the Glaziers take every year out of Utd - that would be 50m a year does he take that? NO so your argument that he's "making money off the back of our failure" is simply wrong, the value of the club that he owns dropped 125m last year so in fact he's losing a fortune right now ...

The reality is under Kroenke's ownership the club have spent net 300m on new players only City and Utd have spent more in that time ... that's 300m Kroenke could have kept in the bank as cash, as the owner that's his cash ... it's not "the fans" money it's his, fans pay to see his team at his stadium same as paying for any other goods and service.

Agreed his an absentee owner, but so are half the owners in football, having Kroenke sitting in the Director's box is not going to make anyone at the club any better, even if it does show 'fanboy' credentials.

The bottom line is that Kroenke is not a great fan, that's a shame but so what, the real problem is that he allowed his employees (Gazidis, Wenger, and now Edu) far to much power and then didn't react fast enough when they fecked everything up ... that's his failing it's not the money, we've spent fortunes on players and on wages, we just haven't spent it very well ... is that truly all Kroenke's fault?
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby DiamondGooner » Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:25 am

Really interested to see what Mikel does next season.

Formation, style of play.

I am slightly concerned he's pushing for a Pep philosophy and I feel he really needs to find his own, we're not Man City and can't buy the best in every position.

Mourhino, Fergie, Pep, Wenger ........... all the best had their own philosophy, I don't want Arteta to try to be a 2nd rate Pep because it'll fail.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby hs6bx » Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:10 am

Just hearing him speak brings me confidence - very certain and self assured. I’ve seen a shift in mentality and accountability since he came in. Like he said in that interview, we are short on quality, the biggest difference now is that we won’t be 2nd best when it comes to competing physically (like we have been for 10-12 years). That’s a key foundation that’s been needed for such a long time... then new players coming in are living and breathing this whole squad of top competitors. It will of course take time for that reality to bed in, as it did with Liverpool under klopp. There will be casualties along the way with players who can’t hack it, but I think he is capable of something really great.
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