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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby theHotHead » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:06 am

Whatchoo talkin 'bout Sims!! There has been no improvement over Emery!!
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Ach » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:10 am

theHotHead wrote:Whatchoo talkin 'bout Sims!! There has been no improvement over Emery!!

Pretty much this
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Marsbar100 » Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:39 pm

Better team shape, more compact, better pressing.

Very early days, the mess emery left means we need a good quality 6 players and getting rid of a few.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby DiamondGooner » Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:45 pm

Not like it wasn't obvious anyway but further proof Arteta is going for a possession style but hopefully aiming more for City level incisive attack rather than late Wenger era 7 passes and fizz out.

Also interesting Ozil's statement of under Emery they weren't in control of the game opting for forced over paced attacks which they weren't good at and defending in a way they weren't good at.

You see they tried to change the style of the club without refitting the players, these players were bought to play skillful and possession football, Emery wanted us to play like a Mourhino team, Arteta wants us to play like late 2000's Arsenal and City.

Its easy to see why the players prefer Arteta, take something they know and up the level, shine it up, get more organised and set the standard higher .......... or ask them to play an alien form of football?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... g-21282197

Ozil suggested Arsenal were not in control of games under Emery, and that the squad is much happier under new manager Arteta.

“It is basically getting us back to the old Arsenal virtues," said the former Germany international in quotes reported by The Sun .

“Fighting and having possession, being in control of the game, having the ball all the time.

“These are the things that he is working on with us and you can see it — everyone is smiling, laughing, enjoying their time — it has made us successful.

“I think he is the right man at this club.”
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Losmeister » Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:29 pm

good article from the AThletic...


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Michael Cox: The Premier League’s top sides have been playing with a front five for three years – you just didn’t notice…


By Michael Cox 6h ago 62
Football formations have always been, and will always be, a simplification. The movement of individuals, particularly in the attacking phase, has always meant the formation changes considerably as the game progresses — and in the era of complex pressing traps, sometimes the formation is harder than ever to decipher without the ball, too.

Perhaps the most curious thing about the nature of a formation is that it is almost exclusively used to refer to a side’s shape without possession. We all agree that Liverpool, for example, are generally using a 4-3-3 this season, but we also all know that Trent Alexander-Arnold and Andy Robertson are key attacking weapons, and spend much of their time scampering forward on the overlap, effectively forming a front five. Rarely is the formation given in the attacking phase of play, and yet Liverpool spend far longer with the ball than they do without it.

And perhaps this limitation has meant that a crucial trend has gone slightly overlooked over recent years — almost every top-level side is attempting to play with a front five, recalling the old days of the 2-3-5 “pyramid” formation that dominated the early 20th century.

There’s plenty of logic behind this development.

Top-level managers have begun to understand football and create systems according to a division of the pitch into five vertical strips. These are, broadly speaking, considered to consist of: the centre (the 20-yard strip designated by the width of the centre circle), two wings (the areas on the outsides of the penalty box) and two strips between the centre and the wings.

These final spaces are sometimes referred to as “half-spaces”, a translation from the German term which originated because that was the “space” where the “half-backs” played. The term “channel” isn’t precisely the same — that was more frequently used to describe the space between centre-back and full-back — but it feels a more natural word to use in English.

Look at the training pitch used by Pep Guardiola when he was in charge of Bayern Munich, for example, and you’ll find it divided into these five strips. “The only important thing about our game is what happens in those four lines,” Guardiola told Bayern’s squad in his first week in Germany. “Nothing else matters.”

There are also more complex horizontal lines, which effectively split the wings into six areas of equal size. For now, though, the five vertical strips are most relevant.


The five vertical strips that leading coaches divide the pitch into
To summarise, Guardiola never wants more than two players in the same vertical strip, which means an emphasis on covering the width of the pitch equally. He is renowned for changing his system regularly from match to match, but the same fundamental principles apply. Whether forwards, attacking midfielders, wingers, wing-backs or full-backs, Guardiola’s sides usually position five attackers across the pitch. His City predecessor Manuel Pellegrini once summarised the approach succinctly by saying that his team must position an attacking player in each of the five vertical strips — they just didn’t need to be the same player each time.

There have been three truly outstanding sides over the past few years in the Premier League; two have won the title and a third will almost certainly follow this year. Antonio Conte’s Chelsea, Guardiola’s Manchester City and Jurgen Klopp’s Liverpool have all recorded 90-plus points and helped to raise the tactical level of the Premier League.

All have, in a way, played similar systems because of the presence of a front five.

However they have all formed the front five in very different ways.

Conte famously switched to a three-man defence early in 2016-17, and the system that was often considered 3-4-3 was actually far more like 3-2-5 in the attacking phase of play, or 2-3-5 when David Luiz or Cesar Azpilicueta stepped forward into midfield. Marcos Alonso and Victor Moses were given strict instructions to push forward on the overlap, keeping the width and effectively playing on the last line of the opposition’s defence. Chelsea often scored by switching the play across the pitch to find one of them at the far post, unmarked, after the opposition back four had become sucked inside.

Take Alonso’s opening goal in a 3-1 win over Arsenal in February 2017, for example — the back four gradually becomes drawn across to close down each of Chelsea’s five attackers, which leaves him entirely unmarked at the far post. Eventually, Alonso storms in at the far post to overpower Hector Bellerin, who has just been challenging Diego Costa for the initial header. Opponents couldn’t cope with Chelsea’s fifth attacker.





What’s interesting, though, is that the attacking shape of Conte’s 3-4-3 wasn’t actually that different to that of the 4-3-3 he started the season with. In the first half-dozen matches of the campaign, Conte threw right-back Bransilav Ivanovic and left-back Azpilicueta forward to bookend the same three-man attack, while a three-man midfield was given strict instructions to remain as a tight unit and cover the width of the pitch. N’Golo Kante shuttled between defence and midfield — so, before and after the switch, Chelsea were using a 2-3-5/3-2-5 system.

The below image is from Chelsea’s first league game under Conte — even before the switch in system, the effective front five is clear.



The difference, of course, was that Chelsea defended in a different shape, and the defensive transitions were smoother after the formation change, with more mobile players out wide who could get back into position more quickly.

Guardiola’s all-conquering City side also used a front five — but in a completely different manner.

Whereas Conte’s front three drifted inside with wing-backs overlapping to become the wide players, Guardiola instructed Leroy Sane and Raheem Sterling to hug the touchlines, stretching the opposition defence and creating gaps for Kevin De Bruyne and David Silva to exploit either side of Sergio Aguero. This was the front five.

To compensate for emptying midfield, the full-backs would generally tuck inside and form the 2-3-5 system, although this has sometimes been 3-2-5 too.

Here’s the build-up to City’s opener at home to Manchester United last season — the quintet of Sterling, Silva, Aguero, Mahrez and Bernardo is clear.



Guardiola’s many variations stick to the same approach.

When Benjamin Mendy is used as a rampaging left-back, for example, it’s almost never been with Sane ahead of him — that would generally mean them covering the same vertical strip. It’s been more common for Guardiola to use Mendy behind someone who can drift inside — for example, in last weekend’s 6-1 thrashing of Aston Villa, Gabriel Jesus was deployed from the left, but effectively acted as a second striker in the left channel, allowing Mendy to hold the width.

On the other flank, the combination play between De Bruyne and Riyad Mahrez or Bernardo has been the key part of City’s campaign. Although Mahrez and Bernardo are left-footed and therefore naturally drift inside, they have generally been told to remain in wide positions, ensuring the opposition are stretched enough for De Bruyne to play in the right-hand channel.

When right-back Kyle Walker has been handed a more attacking role, it’s often been when De Bruyne has been absent, and Mahrez or Bernardo are drifting inside more to play in that channel.

Liverpool’s attacking follows many of the same principles. Klopp generally uses 4-3-3, like Guardiola, but the front five is formed with the full-backs overlapping, which allows Mohamed Salah and Sadio Mane to tuck inside into goalscoring positions. Last season, Alexander-Arnold and Robertson were the side’s highest assisters, and Salah and Mane the side’s joint-top scorers.

Like both Conte’s Chelsea and Guardiola’s City, Liverpool can look like both 2-3-5 and 3-2-5. Fabinho is capable of dropping between the centre-backs to form a three-man defence, while increasingly Jordan Henderson can effectively become a temporary right-back to cover for Alexander-Arnold. It is, in possession, much the same system as Liverpool’s two predecessors as Premier League champions — broadly speaking, 2-3-5.

Here’s a goal they scored against Red Bull Salzburg earlier in the campaign. It’s converted by Robertson, popping up in a centre-forward position, and therefore there has been some switching of roles between players here. But it’s nevertheless an interesting situation because of how far removed this ‘front five’ is from the rest of the team, who are all out of shot.



It’s worth remembering that Guardiola bought into this concept so much he literally used a 2-3-5 on occasion at Bayern, filling his side with five outright attackers because he was so confident they would dominate possession so much that they may as well consider their attacking shape their default formation. The defensive transitions asked a lot of the wide players, but Bayern played the system with great authority and fluency.

On the back of all these success stories, it’s been significant that the two most notable managerial appointments of recent weeks have both attempted to get their side playing with an effective front five, from a starting system of 4-2-3-1.

Jose Mourinho’s debut with Tottenham Hotspur saw him pushing right-back Serge Aurier forward aggressively on the overlap, while left-back Ben Davies tucked inside. On paper they were both full-backs, but on the pitch one became an outside-right while the other became a left-sided centre-back.

In turn, Mourinho’s left-winger has stayed wide, while his right-winger has drifted inside, ensuring the five vertical strips are all filled.



Mourinho hasn’t entirely stuck to this approach — the ankle injury Davies suffered against West Ham and the manner of the 2-0 home defeat by Frank Lampard’s Chelsea appear to have forced him to reconsider, but it was interesting that he appeared to be learning lessons from the likes of Conte, Guardiola and Klopp.

It was much less surprising that Mikel Arteta borrowed some of Guardiola’s tactics upon leaving his Manchester City staff to take charge of Arsenal.

His approach has been similar — purely in terms of player positioning — to Mourinho’s initial approach with Spurs, albeit a mirror image. Arteta’s overlapping full-back has been on the left, Sead Kolasinac or Bukayo Saka, while his right-sided full-back Ainsley Maitland-Niles has narrowed his positioning and becomes a right-sided central midfielder rather than a right-sided centre-back, maintaining the 3-2-5.

The overlapping of the left-back has allowed Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang to play in the inside-left channel, while the conservative nature of the right-back means Nicolas Pepe or Reiss Nelson has stayed wide, while Mesut Ozil fills the inside-right channel.



Arguably the most significant thing about Arteta’s approach is not that his “front five” is a surprise, it is that it’s entirely as expected — this has become the default approach for top clubs.

With such similarities between many of the elite sides, maybe we’re talking about football formations the wrong way around. We should think of them in terms of their structure in possession, and the differences come mainly in terms of the defensive transition.

Modern football’s dominant shape isn’t 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 but 2-3-5 — a throwback to tactics from 100 years ago.

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Michael Cox has written for the Guardian and ESPN, primarily focusing upon tactical analysis. He has written two books - The Mixer, about the tactical evolution of the Premier League, and Zonal Marking, about footballing philosophies across Europe. Follow Michael on Twitter @Zonal_Marking.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Zanatos3 » Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:49 pm

MUSTI-XHAKA-OZIL-(Confirmed) the 3 Fecetoes !!! ___________________----Against MEN OF STEEL---______________

Massive L Predicted....

Arteta to RE-LEARN what the definition of DEADWOOD is!

#Buy1get2free !!!

Maybe with the flaws shown in this match & Chelsea. the fans who Always Forget the errors & Forgive these players... maybe they will remember

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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Nuggets » Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:56 pm

theHotHead wrote:Whatchoo talkin 'bout Sims!! There has been no improvement over Emery!!

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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Dejan » Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:51 pm

This is why I disagree with people claiming "massive improvements".

Very average once again.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Ach » Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:53 pm

Another shit result and a shit performance
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Arsenal Tone » Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:53 pm

Haven't seen game but i'm guessing lots of possession on the half way line followed by a sloppy goal near the end to drop points. Its like having Wenger back lol
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Ach » Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:54 pm

Tony Adams wrote:Haven't seen game but i'm guessing lots of possession on the half way line followed by a sloppy goal near the end to drop points. Its like having Wenger back lol

Pretty much
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Dejan » Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:56 pm

Tony Adams wrote:Haven't seen game but i'm guessing lots of possession on the half way line followed by a sloppy goal near the end to drop points. Its like having Wenger back lol
Spot on tbh

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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby alexafc12 » Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:57 pm

The same posters howling at posters for judging 'The Don' after 1 year "he needs at least 4-5 transfer windows before we can really judge him" pointing fingers at Mikel after a matter of weeks.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Ach » Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:58 pm

Dejan wrote:This is why I disagree with people claiming "massive improvements".

Very average once again.

Yeah wouldn't pay too much attention to them

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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Godlop » Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:59 pm

Up to their goal probably the best game under Arteta so far but once again the lack of players that can kill of a game properly cost us the points.
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