EliteKiller wrote:LMAO wrote:EliteKiller wrote:LMAO wrote:But yeah, I think what we're seeing with the right lashing out are its death throes. The younger generations (Millennials and Gen Z) are overwhelmingly and undeniably left of center because of all the right wing lies we've seen and had to put up with growing up. And in 20 years, we're going to see a massive shift left.
For now though, I'm just counting down the days until Texas finally turns blue. Maybe that'll finally be the day Republicans wake up and shift left from their current positions.
The younger generation since the 1960's have always been overwhelmingly and undeniably left of centre, they simply grow out of believing in Father Christmas, the Easter Bunny and Socialism ... for those of us old enough we've heard "
in 20 years, we're going to see a massive shift left" every decade for sixty years and yet if anything the world is more capitalist right wing than ever.
There needs to be decent opposition, but "
more radical" is not the answer either in the UK as Corbyn just found out or in the US when you stupidly re-elect Trump in 2020 - not because he's no longer an Orange Buffoon but because the left simply can't muster a decent alternative, seriously how bad must you be when you can't beat Boris and Trump?
If some people paid attention rather than howling at the moon Boris has already made some fairly dramatic left turn promises for the Tories, the proof will be in actions not words but just maybe the Tories are going to move into that enormous vacuum now at the centre of UK politics ... if they do Labour has nowhere to go despite the younger generations (Millennials and Gen Z) being overwhelmingly and undeniably left of centre, you can't win an election with children ... and you never will.
The oldest Millennials turn 39 this year.
Don't fall into the
'he I must not name' trap of thinking everyone is a far right fascist unless they are a member of momentum and extinction rebellion ... I would happily support a centre left party which got rid of nationalisation, collective bargaining and a promise of a 32 hour week with 40 hour pay as policies ... not that I necessarily disagree with those goals but they are something you work towards by building consensus not try and impose on an electorate who simply don't believe it can be done.
People turn from socialists into capitalist because that's how most people's life works, you start with everything free, go through a phase of paying your own way, then have to support yourself and the next batch of freeloaders (
the kids) it's natural to have your values reflect these changes. What should happen is that from an early age you not only get used to paying your own way but also to supporting everyone else ... not by blocking streets and shouting loudly, and not by handing over hard earned cash, but by doing things like unpaid social work, picking up litter, planting trees real actions in a real world, not just liking the latest clever tweet on social media ...
If you can educate young people into democratic socialism - making money from capitalism to support social programmes - that would be far better than indoctrinating them in radical socialism only to have them abandon it all as they grow old. Better some good than no good at all who knows eventually true socialism could evolve but you have to start small.
Only my opinion which is worth bugger all I know ... but having watched the world become more and more radical every decade you know without compromise there's only one way that will end up. Kaboom
@Pat Rice, this is a reply to you too so I don't have to quote you and basically say the same thing.People getting more conservative as they age isn't a universal law. It seems to be one of those statements parroted enough that people start to believe it.
Full article:
https://www.people-press.org/2018/03/01 ... -politics/Take note of Baby Boomers in '94, Gen X in '04, and Millennials in '17 since the middle of the generations are about early to mid 30s then (and it's the best 1:1 comparisons we have).
Millennials are 52% liberal (first gen that has cracked the 50% barrier in either direction), Gen X was 36% at a similar age, and Baby Boomers were 22%.
Since 2004, Gen X has gone from 36% liberal and 14% conservative to 43% liberal and 23% conservative.
Since 1994, Baby Boomers have gone from 22% liberal and 29% conservative to 39% liberal and 32% conservative.
So if anything, the data suggests generations become
more liberal as they grow older
And Gen Z will be more liberal than Millennials.
Also, when I say we (i.e., America since I can't speak for the UK, although I'd expect a similar trend) are going to take a massive shift left in 20 years, I'm not saying it's going to become a (far-)left world where socialism is king and capitalists are sent to death camps. I'm saying the world is currently teetering on being far-right, and that from 2040 to at least 2070, we're going to settle on a happy center-left medium.
And last thing, us younger generations aren't in favor of "radical socialism" like older generations and the right at large portray us as being. Most of us are center-left, in favor of a greater mixed economy than what we currently have, and what would be considered more left-leaning social democrats (since social democrats can also be center-right). Think of a slightly more left Scandinavia.