elkanofan wrote:I do see a clear similarity but worse.Holdini wrote:aniym wrote:Were trying to poach Wolves' and LCFC's managers at the moment so I dont think those two fixtures were a likely 6 points.
Klopp got 8th in his first season and lost the EL final.. Should he also have been sacked?
Of course not. He got money to rebuild and didn't have a European campaign to worry about in Year 2, which helped them get 4th that season.
Emery isn't Klopp, he couldn't win over the players like Klopp could. He is also to blame for shifting lineups constantly. Sacking him after our dismal run of results is fair. But it wouldn't have been fair to do that after he did better than Wenger with Wenger players.
My fear is that we're now in Utd territory. If the new guy doesn't deliver within 18 months, he's gone as well. Do you think our defense will be sorted in that time?
im not worried about falling into the same territory as utd. there was no post fergie planning whereas we laid the groundwork for wenger leaving by making the right structural changes at the club to bring us on par with modern football (bringing in raul, sven/edu etc). utd still haven't made the required structural changes, they have no DOF/michael edwards/edu type character at the club, woodward's running the show and it's clear to see it's not working. their model is outdated and archaic.
we've implemented the model of a european superclub and now it's simply about finding the right coach (and note i didn't say manager) to come in and get the best out of the players. it's a similar model to barca, chelsea, psg etc where they've decentralised power away from the manager and put in a team of people around him. if the coach fails, they move onto the next guy without much disruption.
i mean we could get into the fact that utd lost gill - an absolute beast - and replaced him with a dud in woodward, whereas we lost a clown in gazidis and upgraded to a barca beast too, but yeah i don't see much similarity.
United are a shitshow, however have remained a top 6 club due to throwing obscene amounts of money at their problems to at least attain quality in patches like Pogba, keeping De Gea, Martial while inconsistent is better than anything we have by some distance bar Auba and Laca, along with even guys like Mata being around, Lingaard while a shithead is still better than all our attacking midfielders!
Rashford has never ever not stopped trying no matter how shit he's been and he's turned the corner to really help them out last few weeks..
Problem with our club is the board only care about profit. We do NOT spend when necessary, the summer proved our shit recruitment. While we did spend more than usually, we failed to adequately replace the large number of key departures. Our team has progressively got worse and worse every single year and this all drops down from the top. Our team has always been heavily unbalanced however with the quality in abundance of attacking mids, at least one real world class attack along with Wengers favourites we managed to remained at least a top 4/6 club under Wenger until it all rightfully fell sour at the end.
The difference now is between United and us is that we now have no really quality in midfield at all. Our two world class strikers are the only really quality we have period in the team, along with again a very poorly balanced squad which has failed to look convincing in any match this year without Ramsey, infact without Ramsey only the fightback vs Valencia at home and the counter job away from home have shown quality. We have been woeful without a midfielder on his level this year.
Our midfield has zero serious goal threat to any quality EPL side in providing assists or goals, its slow, immature, weak, pretentious. Its a nightmare situation for those who see it. Its why the delusion of some fans really worries me, by the time they see it we will already be marooned in midtable and will easily surpass united as the banter club of the England and world football.
Many of these fans are too baked into to dogma that because we are Arsenal we always have quality. We don't even check the actual levels of the players we have. The post wenger rebuild has been a total failure on the pitch. Not just from Emery but the club as a whole. We can dress up Freddie as much as we want but this is not reality, the board have acted because they had to but they had no real plan whatsoever it seems due to Emery not working out the way they wanted.
I refuse to give Freddie any critique when we struggle with him. Absolutely none of this will be his fault. I see the blessing of Freddie will be that we can finally see the players for what they are and every mistake freddie makes will simply be down to him being a rookie with no experience in what to do at a Top level club.
Under 23 is quite literally easy childs play.
that's my whole point. utd have thrown obscene amounts of money at rebuilding but it's failed as they don't have the right structural set up and no strategy. city and liverpool have blown utd out the water. we have the right structural set up, it just takes hiring the right manager, getting in the right few players and you'll be amazed at what can happen.
honestly im not worried about utd unless they make some serious changes. i dont agree that they have quality in their squad. many utd fans i know say their squad is bang average. they've spent nearly 1bn since fergie left and there's still talk of them spending more next summer. that's obscene.
as gary neville says, it's never as bad as you think and if liverpool can come back from the brink of administration, we can come back from this. im positive.