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Re: Raül Sanllehí, Head of Football

Postby Holdini » Sun Dec 01, 2019 8:04 am

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aniym wrote:Were trying to poach Wolves' and LCFC's managers at the moment so I dont think those two fixtures were a likely 6 points.

Klopp got 8th in his first season and lost the EL final.. Should he also have been sacked?

Of course not. He got money to rebuild and didn't have a European campaign to worry about in Year 2, which helped them get 4th that season.

Emery isn't Klopp, he couldn't win over the players like Klopp could. He is also to blame for shifting lineups constantly. Sacking him after our dismal run of results is fair. But it wouldn't have been fair to do that after he did better than Wenger with Wenger players.

My fear is that we're now in Utd territory. If the new guy doesn't deliver within 18 months, he's gone as well. Do you think our defense will be sorted in that time?


im not worried about falling into the same territory as utd. there was no post fergie planning whereas we laid the groundwork for wenger leaving by making the right structural changes at the club to bring us on par with modern football (bringing in raul, sven/edu etc). utd still haven't made the required structural changes, they have no DOF/michael edwards/edu type character at the club, woodward's running the show and it's clear to see it's not working. their model is outdated and archaic.

we've implemented the model of a european superclub and now it's simply about finding the right coach (and note i didn't say manager) to come in and get the best out of the players. it's a similar model to barca, chelsea, psg etc where they've decentralised power away from the manager and put in a team of people around him. if the coach fails, they move onto the next guy without much disruption.

i mean we could get into the fact that utd lost gill - an absolute beast - and replaced him with a dud in woodward, whereas we lost a clown in gazidis and upgraded to a barca beast too, but yeah i don't see much similarity.
I do see a clear similarity but worse.

United are a shitshow, however have remained a top 6 club due to throwing obscene amounts of money at their problems to at least attain quality in patches like Pogba, keeping De Gea, Martial while inconsistent is better than anything we have by some distance bar Auba and Laca, along with even guys like Mata being around, Lingaard while a shithead is still better than all our attacking midfielders!

Rashford has never ever not stopped trying no matter how shit he's been and he's turned the corner to really help them out last few weeks..

Problem with our club is the board only care about profit. We do NOT spend when necessary, the summer proved our shit recruitment. While we did spend more than usually, we failed to adequately replace the large number of key departures. Our team has progressively got worse and worse every single year and this all drops down from the top. Our team has always been heavily unbalanced however with the quality in abundance of attacking mids, at least one real world class attack along with Wengers favourites we managed to remained at least a top 4/6 club under Wenger until it all rightfully fell sour at the end.

The difference now is between United and us is that we now have no really quality in midfield at all. Our two world class strikers are the only really quality we have period in the team, along with again a very poorly balanced squad which has failed to look convincing in any match this year without Ramsey, infact without Ramsey only the fightback vs Valencia at home and the counter job away from home have shown quality. We have been woeful without a midfielder on his level this year.

Our midfield has zero serious goal threat to any quality EPL side in providing assists or goals, its slow, immature, weak, pretentious. Its a nightmare situation for those who see it. Its why the delusion of some fans really worries me, by the time they see it we will already be marooned in midtable and will easily surpass united as the banter club of the England and world football.

Many of these fans are too baked into to dogma that because we are Arsenal we always have quality. We don't even check the actual levels of the players we have. The post wenger rebuild has been a total failure on the pitch. Not just from Emery but the club as a whole. We can dress up Freddie as much as we want but this is not reality, the board have acted because they had to but they had no real plan whatsoever it seems due to Emery not working out the way they wanted.

I refuse to give Freddie any critique when we struggle with him. Absolutely none of this will be his fault. I see the blessing of Freddie will be that we can finally see the players for what they are and every mistake freddie makes will simply be down to him being a rookie with no experience in what to do at a Top level club.

Under 23 is quite literally easy childs play.


that's my whole point. utd have thrown obscene amounts of money at rebuilding but it's failed as they don't have the right structural set up and no strategy. city and liverpool have blown utd out the water. we have the right structural set up, it just takes hiring the right manager, getting in the right few players and you'll be amazed at what can happen.

honestly im not worried about utd unless they make some serious changes. i dont agree that they have quality in their squad. many utd fans i know say their squad is bang average. they've spent nearly 1bn since fergie left and there's still talk of them spending more next summer. that's obscene.

as gary neville says, it's never as bad as you think and if liverpool can come back from the brink of administration, we can come back from this. im positive.
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Re: Raül Sanllehí, Head of Football

Postby aniym » Sun Dec 01, 2019 5:48 pm

Emery got 16-18 months to implement a system, and it didn't work. Freddie won't move the needle in the short amount of time he has.

So next summer we start over with a new guy, with new staff, and give him 18 months as well.

Utd gave LVG and Mourinho more time each than we have, and they weren't able to implement anything either. They're both more decorated than Emery, with more money at their disposal. DoF or not, Utd's academy products have been better than ours; Rashford has 4 seasons in the senior squad, Nketiah doesn't even have one.

What's going to happen when Nuno comes in with a brand new staff, recruits his targets, leaves after 1.5 seasons, and then a new manager comes in wanting to do the same?
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Re: Raül Sanllehí, Head of Football

Postby jayramfootball » Sun Dec 01, 2019 5:56 pm

aniym wrote:Emery got 16-18 months to implement a system, and it didn't work. Freddie won't move the needle in the short amount of time he has.

So next summer we start over with a new guy, with new staff, and give him 18 months as well.

Utd gave LVG and Mourinho more time each than we have, and they weren't able to implement anything either. They're both more decorated than Emery, with more money at their disposal. DoF or not, Utd's academy products have been better than ours; Rashford has 4 seasons in the senior squad, Nketiah doesn't even have one.

What's going to happen when Nuno comes in with a brand new staff, recruits his targets, leaves after 1.5 seasons, and then a new manager comes in wanting to do the same?


Whoever comes in, they need to realise that this is a rebuild from the groud up job. It's a 5-10 yr project to rescue the club.
There are only 3-4 players that should still be with us in 2 years.
That means the job for the next couple of years is to overhaul the entire squad, change the culture Wenger created and keep us in the PL.
The next manager needs to be chosen with that goal in mind and as fans we have to accept that whether we like it or not.
I thought we got our Arsenal back - but we got Emery
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Re: Raül Sanllehí, Head of Football

Postby ag6789 » Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:05 pm

We already invested heavily in the team, in the past two years. Don't think we can again spend 250 mil over 5-6 players. We need to plug the holes and motivate players. The planning and execution have been dismal since Unai came, and have left the core dispirited. We need a good CM for sure, but we have 5 CBs and have to get a strategy in place to defend. Buying CBs is not the answer.
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Re: Raül Sanllehí, Head of Football

Postby jayramfootball » Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:11 pm

ag6789 wrote:We already invested heavily in the team, in the past two years. Don't think we can again spend 250 mil over 5-6 players. We need to plug the holes and motivate players. The planning and execution have been dismal since Unai came, and have left the core dispirited. We need a good CM for sure, but we have 5 CBs and have to get a strategy in place to defend. Buying CBs is not the answer.


That's why it's a long term rebuild.
With the players we have we're not going to get better than we are. It's that simple.
We're on our way down the league until we accept that a major rebuild is needed.

Good players don't have to cost huge money.
Step one for any manager coming in must be the defence. We have NO defenders right now who are good enough at this level.
Tierney MIGHT be, but so far he's been a let down.
A new manager must first sort out our defensive personnel and organisation.
Then go from there.
If any new manager has not completely replaced our defence within 1 year, then he'll fail - no matter who he is.
There is simply no coaching or motivation that will work on players as bad as Bellerin, Holding, Chambers, Mustafi etc.
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Re: Raül Sanllehí, Head of Football

Postby elkanofan » Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:20 pm

Santi wrote:My god your doom and gloom is f***ing annoying.


All we need is a good manager and a couple of new players for top 4, that is our aim. We are not f***ked unless we lose the front 3 for peanuts.


We have another 6-7 games till Janauray.

Includes home to City and Chelsea.

We just been outplayed by a shit Norwich team who are a genuine relegation fodder side. This ain't like the City game where Norwich defender for their lives and took the few chances they got. They should have won. They created more genuine open play chances where we scored two lucky goals from a set piece and a daft handball.

Problem is just like i said, way, way bigger than just the manager. This is a crap team. Plain and simple.
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elkanofan wrote:
Holdini wrote:
aniym wrote:Were trying to poach Wolves' and LCFC's managers at the moment so I dont think those two fixtures were a likely 6 points.

Klopp got 8th in his first season and lost the EL final.. Should he also have been sacked?

Of course not. He got money to rebuild and didn't have a European campaign to worry about in Year 2, which helped them get 4th that season.

Emery isn't Klopp, he couldn't win over the players like Klopp could. He is also to blame for shifting lineups constantly. Sacking him after our dismal run of results is fair. But it wouldn't have been fair to do that after he did better than Wenger with Wenger players.

My fear is that we're now in Utd territory. If the new guy doesn't deliver within 18 months, he's gone as well. Do you think our defense will be sorted in that time?


im not worried about falling into the same territory as utd. there was no post fergie planning whereas we laid the groundwork for wenger leaving by making the right structural changes at the club to bring us on par with modern football (bringing in raul, sven/edu etc). utd still haven't made the required structural changes, they have no DOF/michael edwards/edu type character at the club, woodward's running the show and it's clear to see it's not working. their model is outdated and archaic.

we've implemented the model of a european superclub and now it's simply about finding the right coach (and note i didn't say manager) to come in and get the best out of the players. it's a similar model to barca, chelsea, psg etc where they've decentralised power away from the manager and put in a team of people around him. if the coach fails, they move onto the next guy without much disruption.

i mean we could get into the fact that utd lost gill - an absolute beast - and replaced him with a dud in woodward, whereas we lost a clown in gazidis and upgraded to a barca beast too, but yeah i don't see much similarity.
I do see a clear similarity but worse.

United are a shitshow, however have remained a top 6 club due to throwing obscene amounts of money at their problems to at least attain quality in patches like Pogba, keeping De Gea, Martial while inconsistent is better than anything we have by some distance bar Auba and Laca, along with even guys like Mata being around, Lingaard while a shithead is still better than all our attacking midfielders!

Rashford has never ever not stopped trying no matter how shit he's been and he's turned the corner to really help them out last few weeks..

Problem with our club is the board only care about profit. We do NOT spend when necessary, the summer proved our shit recruitment. While we did spend more than usually, we failed to adequately replace the large number of key departures. Our team has progressively got worse and worse every single year and this all drops down from the top. Our team has always been heavily unbalanced however with the quality in abundance of attacking mids, at least one real world class attack along with Wengers favourites we managed to remained at least a top 4/6 club under Wenger until it all rightfully fell sour at the end.

The difference now is between United and us is that we now have no really quality in midfield at all. Our two world class strikers are the only really quality we have period in the team, along with again a very poorly balanced squad which has failed to look convincing in any match this year without Ramsey, infact without Ramsey only the fightback vs Valencia at home and the counter job away from home have shown quality. We have been woeful without a midfielder on his level this year.

Our midfield has zero serious goal threat to any quality EPL side in providing assists or goals, its slow, immature, weak, pretentious. Its a nightmare situation for those who see it. Its why the delusion of some fans really worries me, by the time they see it we will already be marooned in midtable and will easily surpass united as the banter club of the England and world football.

Many of these fans are too baked into to dogma that because we are Arsenal we always have quality. We don't even check the actual levels of the players we have. The post wenger rebuild has been a total failure on the pitch. Not just from Emery but the club as a whole. We can dress up Freddie as much as we want but this is not reality, the board have acted because they had to but they had no real plan whatsoever it seems due to Emery not working out the way they wanted.

I refuse to give Freddie any critique when we struggle with him. Absolutely none of this will be his fault. I see the blessing of Freddie will be that we can finally see the players for what they are and every mistake freddie makes will simply be down to him being a rookie with no experience in what to do at a Top level club.

Under 23 is quite literally easy childs play.


that's my whole point. utd have thrown obscene amounts of money at rebuilding but it's failed as they don't have the right structural set up and no strategy. city and liverpool have blown utd out the water. we have the right structural set up, it just takes hiring the right manager, getting in the right few players and you'll be amazed at what can happen.

honestly im not worried about utd unless they make some serious changes. i dont agree that they have quality in their squad. many utd fans i know say their squad is bang average. they've spent nearly 1bn since fergie left and there's still talk of them spending more next summer. that's obscene.

as gary neville says, it's never as bad as you think and if liverpool can come back from the brink of administration, we can come back from this. im positive.
I fear it will take a long time. United are horse manure, don't get me wrong. Just like i said with at least someone like Pogba, De Gea all the money they have throw at their problems have allowed them to at least gain a few top players to bail them out of true total freefall.

If we get a good manager i have hope in 2 years we can at least be back in the CL, if we buy properly in January. Thing is no great manager seems to want the job now and while we are ahead of United in terms of structure off the pitch, on the pitch we have one of the worst midfields in the entire league and we are facing a hard, hard december. This is all a result of how dreadful our recruitment has been for so long.
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Re: Raül Sanllehí, Head of Football

Postby starmandb » Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:15 pm

Manoban wrote:cant believe our top candidate is another mid table manager

we have become a mid table club

Don't put yourself down
Spurs are a top 6 club
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Re: Raül Sanllehí, Head of Football

Postby swipe right » Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:40 am

Didn’t we hire this guy to prevent this problem? Manager and player continuity and succession was supposed to be his thing.
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Re: Raül Sanllehí, Head of Football

Postby VCC » Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:22 am

BREAKING NEWS
Raul Sanilehi to send Arteta to Hogwarts for specialist managerial training
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Re: Raül Sanllehí, Head of Football

Postby Angelito » Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:16 am

VCC wrote:BREAKING NEWS
Raul Sanilehi to send Arteta to Hogwarts for specialist managerial training


Sanllehi should be given the DADA position at Hogwarts.
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Re: Raül Sanllehí, Head of Football

Postby Nuggets » Sun Dec 08, 2019 4:02 pm

The club is rotten to the core, from the top down, its going to take some sorting out.
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Re: Raül Sanllehí, Head of Football

Postby LMAO » Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:49 pm

Angelito wrote:
VCC wrote:BREAKING NEWS
Raul Sanilehi to send Arteta to Hogwarts for specialist managerial training


Sanllehi should be given the DADA position at Hogwarts.


That's reserved for our captains.

We need someone to hit him with an Imperio and get him to act like the best DoF.
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Re: Raül Sanllehí, Head of Football

Postby Özim » Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:34 pm

I don't understand why noone at the club is seeing the urgency of the situation, surely you'd be in there saying listen it's been a disaster of a season so far, we're really dropping down the table and aren't far from the relegation zone, Aubameyang isn't going to sign a new contract as it stands and Laca probably won't either so we could lose our start strikers, we need to get a big manager who has plenty of experience and is proven to turn things around at all costs, he might be able to keep our major assets here and get this club back to where it should.

Financially it wil also make a huge difference if he succeeds and gets us back in the CL, we can still get there by winning the EL but we can't afford to take a chance with someone with little/no experience, the Emery experiment didn't work, the job was too big for him, let's learn from our mistakes the first time round and appoint the right guy this time.

Instead it sounds like they're saying,who can we get in who won't be too demanding and will see themselves lucky to have this job and also we don't have to pay too much to, let's take our time on this, there's no urgency, we'll win eventully this is just a bad run.
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Re: Raül Sanllehí, Head of Football

Postby Özim » Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:46 pm

On reflection as someone else said Begiristain and not Sanelhi was perhaps the brains behind the success at Barca.
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Re: Raül Sanllehí, Head of Football

Postby Holdini » Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:28 pm

the lack of planning is one thing that baffles me too. levy sacked poch and had mourinho in the door within 24 hours. where was the risk management and succession planning here? a committee of 4 we have. 4 flippin people and not 1 thought 'hang on let's start thinking of a backup in case this goes tits up'.

that data geek bellend vinai has a business and trading background doesn't he. rule number 1 in business: risk management.
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