DiamondGooner wrote:UFGN wrote:DiamondGooner wrote:UFGN wrote:DiamondGooner wrote:UFGN wrote:DiamondGooner wrote:Reading into it on the surface it seems fine but Farage doesn't want it, neither do Remain or the DUP, so there's obviously something in the details that they don't like.
Does anyone know specifically what it is?
JRM likes it so it can't be that bad for Leavers??
Border down the Irish Sea
And I think theres other details which tie us to EU regs
From Corbyn ..............
“These proposals risk triggering a race to the bottom on rights and protections: putting food safety at risk, cutting environmental standards and workers’ rights, and opening up our NHS to a takeover by US private corporations.
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Hes saying here basically what youve previously said youre concerned about
Yes but that's not necessarily what's going to happen, he's basically saying he doesn't want us out of the EU regs at all because he doesn't trust the Con's to run this country.
If that's the case then he's not going to back ANY deal no matter how good it is, the issue I have with Corbyn is he's hot stepping all over the place so he doesn't have to admit his real stance.
He wants Remain or at worst a close Norway but he won't come out and say it, if the Gov't and the people knew his position then maybe they wouldn't be wasting their time trying to even get a deal knowing full well ALL of them are going to get shot down.
As of my opinion, I'm not sure, there's no guarantee we're going to hand America anything, too much is being made of our reliance on them.
We'll be striking up deals globally and as this is a friendly deal, still be heavily reliant on Europe so I don't think that American take over scenario is a fair assessment in this situation ............. that would be more likely in No Deal.
This is a deal so not the same situation.
Regardless, its not going through anyway as per Corbyn.
Corbyn is 100% right.
The cons cant be trusted, they WILL sell us out wholesale to America. They WILL rent our workers arses out and they WILL manafactue a low tax, low wage, low rights economy. Its in their fabric. Its everything they believe in.
The only thing he will never accept is that he is helping to keep the cons in power
Don't be obtuse about it, you know exactly what that means, it means Labour will never accept ANY version of a Conservative Brexit and what pisses me off is their lying asses are still wasting everyone's time, the Lib Dems are at least being clear, they want Remain or nothing.
Corbyns pissing around is giving the public etc the false impression that they in their words "respect the referendum" when they fkin don't, never did, never had any intention to which makes all these deal talks a waste of fkin time due to the Con's lack of a majority.
People are going to realise this after Boris brings this back and Corbyn will be exposed, Mays deal was different everyone hated it, this time the rats are losing their masks.
.......... also you don't know if the Cons will sell us out to America, they're businessmen as well, yes they prob want a Capitalist utopia but they also want power and they won't have that dishing it all up for the yanks.
Either way it doesn't change the status quo which is Brexit is still and won't be served.
Boris should put his deal vs Remain to the people in a referendum, that's the only way to get a true mandate to strong arm Parliament.
That would be his best shot because if Labour knock this down and all Boris is left with is No Deal, he'll never win.
Its you who is being obtuse
Look at the Tories record in government
Look at the individuals in this government
You can break out all the ifs and maybes you like, but you know I'm right.