by Zedie » Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:23 pm
by Power n Glory » Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:04 pm
EliteKiller wrote:Power n Glory wrote:Ramsey's value to Juve will show if he starts games and keeps his place in the team.
It makes no sense talking about his wages in terms of the transfer value. Hazard and Ronaldo were already on massive wages, Ramsey wasn't on that much at Arsenal so of course £300k will be more attractive to him.
Apart from Swipe-right nobody gives two fecks about Ramsey's value to Juve ... the point being made in the Unai Emery thread is that Ramsey leaving for nothing is >40m that The Don doesn't have in his transfer budget ... and because Ramsey was still on 2016 wages even though him leaving clears 100k off the weekly wages bill, in reality that won't cover a like-for-like replacement ...
by gooney » Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:54 pm
by Zedie » Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:59 pm
gooney wrote:Not only is the manager poor. Read this to understand the financial problems we have
https://www.arsenaltrust.org/feed/afc-f ... alanalysis
The future look bleak
by theHotHead » Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:33 pm
by swipe right » Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:42 pm
by Power n Glory » Tue Jun 11, 2019 4:38 pm
Zedie wrote:gooney wrote:Not only is the manager poor. Read this to understand the financial problems we have
https://www.arsenaltrust.org/feed/afc-f ... alanalysis
The future look bleak
Easier to blame Emery tbh. People will stick to that.
by Zedie » Tue Jun 11, 2019 6:21 pm
Power n Glory wrote:Zedie wrote:gooney wrote:Not only is the manager poor. Read this to understand the financial problems we have
https://www.arsenaltrust.org/feed/afc-f ... alanalysis
The future look bleak
Easier to blame Emery tbh. People will stick to that.
It's not about the blame game. You need to start thinking about how we can realistically get out of this situation.
by Zedie » Tue Jun 11, 2019 6:25 pm
swipe right wrote:So here’s my question. Had you known the new manager would finish fifth and embarrassingly blow out of the EL, would you still have pushed to terminate Wengers contract, or would you have let it expire this summer and not renewed?
by Power n Glory » Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:40 pm
Zedie wrote:Power n Glory wrote:Zedie wrote:gooney wrote:Not only is the manager poor. Read this to understand the financial problems we have
https://www.arsenaltrust.org/feed/afc-f ... alanalysis
The future look bleak
Easier to blame Emery tbh. People will stick to that.
It's not about the blame game. You need to start thinking about how we can realistically get out of this situation.
I know what needs to be done but it looks like theres still a lot of people that seem to have admitted defeat against kronke, been left with the frustration and instead take the easier way out of just blaming manager x y and z.
Some posters here will be on the 3rd post Wenger manager swearing that all we need is a young big thinker to make the 40m budget and a squad of journeymen / youth team prospects defeat the worlds best teams.
A year ago, we emptied the stadium, made ourselves heard across the terraces and stopped buying their merch.
The names on the banners need to be changed and kronke needs f**k off.
by Zedie » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:27 pm
by CrimsonGunner11 » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:58 pm
Power n Glory wrote:Zedie wrote:Power n Glory wrote:Zedie wrote:gooney wrote:Not only is the manager poor. Read this to understand the financial problems we have
https://www.arsenaltrust.org/feed/afc-f ... alanalysis
The future look bleak
Easier to blame Emery tbh. People will stick to that.
It's not about the blame game. You need to start thinking about how we can realistically get out of this situation.
I know what needs to be done but it looks like theres still a lot of people that seem to have admitted defeat against kronke, been left with the frustration and instead take the easier way out of just blaming manager x y and z.
Some posters here will be on the 3rd post Wenger manager swearing that all we need is a young big thinker to make the 40m budget and a squad of journeymen / youth team prospects defeat the worlds best teams.
A year ago, we emptied the stadium, made ourselves heard across the terraces and stopped buying their merch.
The names on the banners need to be changed and kronke needs f**k off.
The protests resulted in the manager getting sacked. How realistic is it to expect a change of ownership? I hate to be pessimistic but I just don't see it happening regardless of protests. A boycott of games and merch at this point will further bleed the club dry of resources needed to strengthen the team. Also, I don't think Kroenke has held back resources. Just look at the foolish spending on wages over the years. He's a business man and doesn't know this sport well so we're going to be dependent on Raul, Emery and Edu if appointed to steer the club back in the right direction. With the FFP rules in place, the days of a sugar daddy owner look to be over. We missed the boat.
Keeping Wenger on for too long and allowing so much freedom to build team after team is what got us in this mess. Allowing the same under Emery will just deepen our troubles and we'll fall further down the tier. He has to prove himself. For a long time Wenger went unquestioned and everything was directed at Kroenke and the Board until it became obvious that Wenger was passed it but it was too late.
It's going to take smart management to get us out of this problem in all fronts. If we can't afford the very best we need to be able to spot some bargains, potential and try to.punch above our weight. A Monaco, Dortmund, Atletico style type of performance in the league ti turn it around.
by Phil71 » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:01 pm
by Power n Glory » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:34 pm
CrimsonGunner11 wrote:Power n Glory wrote:Zedie wrote:Power n Glory wrote:Zedie wrote:gooney wrote:Not only is the manager poor. Read this to understand the financial problems we have
https://www.arsenaltrust.org/feed/afc-f ... alanalysis
The future look bleak
Easier to blame Emery tbh. People will stick to that.
It's not about the blame game. You need to start thinking about how we can realistically get out of this situation.
I know what needs to be done but it looks like theres still a lot of people that seem to have admitted defeat against kronke, been left with the frustration and instead take the easier way out of just blaming manager x y and z.
Some posters here will be on the 3rd post Wenger manager swearing that all we need is a young big thinker to make the 40m budget and a squad of journeymen / youth team prospects defeat the worlds best teams.
A year ago, we emptied the stadium, made ourselves heard across the terraces and stopped buying their merch.
The names on the banners need to be changed and kronke needs f**k off.
The protests resulted in the manager getting sacked. How realistic is it to expect a change of ownership? I hate to be pessimistic but I just don't see it happening regardless of protests. A boycott of games and merch at this point will further bleed the club dry of resources needed to strengthen the team. Also, I don't think Kroenke has held back resources. Just look at the foolish spending on wages over the years. He's a business man and doesn't know this sport well so we're going to be dependent on Raul, Emery and Edu if appointed to steer the club back in the right direction. With the FFP rules in place, the days of a sugar daddy owner look to be over. We missed the boat.
Keeping Wenger on for too long and allowing so much freedom to build team after team is what got us in this mess. Allowing the same under Emery will just deepen our troubles and we'll fall further down the tier. He has to prove himself. For a long time Wenger went unquestioned and everything was directed at Kroenke and the Board until it became obvious that Wenger was passed it but it was too late.
It's going to take smart management to get us out of this problem in all fronts. If we can't afford the very best we need to be able to spot some bargains, potential and try to.punch above our weight. A Monaco, Dortmund, Atletico style type of performance in the league ti turn it around.
Wenger went so long without being questioned because he was delivering exactly what the board and owner wanted. Settling for mediocrity is what’s got us where we are today and if this mindset still hasn’t changed after all these years then, as was said many years ago, we have a far more serious problem than Wenger.
by CrimsonGunner11 » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:20 pm
Power n Glory wrote:CrimsonGunner11 wrote:Power n Glory wrote:Zedie wrote:Power n Glory wrote:Zedie wrote:gooney wrote:Not only is the manager poor. Read this to understand the financial problems we have
https://www.arsenaltrust.org/feed/afc-f ... alanalysis
The future look bleak
Easier to blame Emery tbh. People will stick to that.
It's not about the blame game. You need to start thinking about how we can realistically get out of this situation.
I know what needs to be done but it looks like theres still a lot of people that seem to have admitted defeat against kronke, been left with the frustration and instead take the easier way out of just blaming manager x y and z.
Some posters here will be on the 3rd post Wenger manager swearing that all we need is a young big thinker to make the 40m budget and a squad of journeymen / youth team prospects defeat the worlds best teams.
A year ago, we emptied the stadium, made ourselves heard across the terraces and stopped buying their merch.
The names on the banners need to be changed and kronke needs f**k off.
The protests resulted in the manager getting sacked. How realistic is it to expect a change of ownership? I hate to be pessimistic but I just don't see it happening regardless of protests. A boycott of games and merch at this point will further bleed the club dry of resources needed to strengthen the team. Also, I don't think Kroenke has held back resources. Just look at the foolish spending on wages over the years. He's a business man and doesn't know this sport well so we're going to be dependent on Raul, Emery and Edu if appointed to steer the club back in the right direction. With the FFP rules in place, the days of a sugar daddy owner look to be over. We missed the boat.
Keeping Wenger on for too long and allowing so much freedom to build team after team is what got us in this mess. Allowing the same under Emery will just deepen our troubles and we'll fall further down the tier. He has to prove himself. For a long time Wenger went unquestioned and everything was directed at Kroenke and the Board until it became obvious that Wenger was passed it but it was too late.
It's going to take smart management to get us out of this problem in all fronts. If we can't afford the very best we need to be able to spot some bargains, potential and try to.punch above our weight. A Monaco, Dortmund, Atletico style type of performance in the league ti turn it around.
Wenger went so long without being questioned because he was delivering exactly what the board and owner wanted. Settling for mediocrity is what’s got us where we are today and if this mindset still hasn’t changed after all these years then, as was said many years ago, we have a far more serious problem than Wenger.
We have a hands off owner and that's unlikely to change. In order to change that, we'd have to practically set the club on fire to get the owner out. That leaves a lot of damage to recover from.
But looking at the manager and the Wenger situation, I can't understand how he was so comfortable not winning trophies. It reminds me of the Ozil situation. Comfortable picking up a salary with no ambition to win stuff and he regarded as the best. The parameters for success are different for a player and manager compared to the owner. I can see how Stan would look at this as a successful business model and have more a long term vision. But for a manager, that ambition to win should be what drives them. It shouldn't take the owner having a word with the manager to sign better players or spend more. I always thought it should be the manager demanding more support from the board and if the owner is more of hindrance to your ambitions and not supportive, you decide to leave. Players do this all the time when they feel the club can't support their ambition