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Re: Mkhitaryan and UEFA Disgrace

Postby starmandb » Wed May 22, 2019 4:38 pm

north bank gooner wrote:
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whee wrote:
gunnor wrote:
whee wrote:
gunnor wrote:He's being paid to play and there is 0% chance that his life is in danger. We're almost certain to lose now because Mkhi is such an important player. So frustrating!


0% chance that his life is in danger? Well that's not exactly true is it.

And the second sentence is just as big a pile of bollocks as the first.

His life is not in danger. And yes, we are more likely to lose now than not. Mkhi is a high level performer in this competition and we have no playmaker now other than Ozil. It's pretty much all on Ozil's shoulders. No Ramsey No Mkhitaryan. This is a disaster.


We've seen a couple of occasions this year where supporters have got onto the field of play and assaulted players; no reason that couldn't happen in Baku - so not 0% chance at all. When there's a desire from a lunatic to act, there's always a chance.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the importance of Mkhi to this match. The one part of his game I think we may miss is his industry, but guess what? Somebody else will have to pull their socks up.

Is Mkhi in your best XI?

Yeah but they extended a State guarantee, the ambassador the foreign ministry etc. all came out and said he had nothing to worry about. That's a big deal. I can't think of a single time when a single player representing a club was targeted on hostile territory. I admit that Serbians did invade the pitch to attack Albanian players once but Mkhi is representing Arsenal here not Armenia. There are a lot of Arsenal fans in Azerbaijan believe it or not. It's not realistic for him to say he fears for his life.

We have nobody that can replace Ozil even if Mkhi wasn't in your first XI that's my point. If Mkhi starts, he can complement Ozil and yes I would start him. But if Mkhi doesn't start then we would have no choice but to play 5 at the back (3 centre backs with two wingbacks) with only Ozil as the playmaker, just like against Valencia. But if plan A doesn't work, there is no plan B, because we don't have Mkhi. Its as simple as that. Either Ozil does the job or we're toast! Remember, every time plan A doesn't work, Mkhi always bails us out, he's an effective replacement for Ozil. His directness and sharp crosses would also catch Chelsea defenders out. Like I said, no Ramsey and no Mikhi means Ozil is on his own.


You're making a big case for Mikhi being on the bench. I am not sure how tbh, he was responsible for the Brighton move (with his shocking pass in the final third) that ultimately saw us drop 2 points which was the difference between us qualifying for the CL in 4th and having an all or nothing shot in Baku.

In saying that I am disappointed that he did not despite reassurances from the highest order in Azerbaijan choose to travel. The fans are taking every bit as much a risk going into an unstable part of the world.

Mkhitariyan was also responsible for our equaliser home to wolves
Set up lacazette for our first then scored in our 2-0 home win v Southampton
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Re: Mkhitaryan and UEFA Disgrace

Postby PairyGrows » Wed May 22, 2019 5:31 pm

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PairyGrows wrote:Had UEFA taken a hard stance on the issue, they would have been accused of taking sides on geopolitical issues.


No they would be taking a stance on racism/xenophobia. A country which specifically bans certain nationalities from entering should not be allowed to host a multinational event.


Taking a stance on racism and xenophobia and taking a stance on Azerbaijan being a racist and xenophobic country are two different things. I can see why UEFA isn't comfortable with the prospect of taking such stances.
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Re: Mkhitaryan and UEFA Disgrace

Postby whee » Wed May 22, 2019 5:51 pm

PairyGrows wrote:
Pudpop wrote:
PairyGrows wrote:Had UEFA taken a hard stance on the issue, they would have been accused of taking sides on geopolitical issues.


No they would be taking a stance on racism/xenophobia. A country which specifically bans certain nationalities from entering should not be allowed to host a multinational event.


Taking a stance on racism and xenophobia and taking a stance on Azerbaijan being a racist and xenophobic country are two different things. I can see why UEFA isn't comfortable with the prospect of taking such stances.


Bang on.

It would be a hugely dangerous precedent to set.
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Re: Mkhitaryan and UEFA Disgrace

Postby Royal Gooner » Wed May 22, 2019 9:15 pm

ag6789 wrote:Cannot understand how an European final is held at an Asian country. UEFA is nuts.
Cannot fault Mikhi when his life could be at risk.


Because they'll take anyone who'll pay. Israel I can understand being in UEFA because the Arabs unfairly forced them out of AFC but the likes of Azerbaijan and Kazahstan are in Asia and shouldn't be here.
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Re: Mkhitaryan and UEFA Disgrace

Postby theHotHead » Thu May 23, 2019 4:46 am

Sims wrote:How can u be annoyed with Micki for not going LOOOOL

Because he is taking the easy option. How will he be in danger? Barring a total fruitcake running on the pitch - and that happens in England too, whats gonna happen to him ffs???

Its not like he is out clubbing or going to bars, its not like there was not going to be a serious level of protection afforded to him by the government - as they stated. Other players have played in far more volatile environments.
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Re: Mkhitaryan and UEFA Disgrace

Postby north bank gooner » Thu May 23, 2019 6:29 am

starmandb wrote:
north bank gooner wrote:
gunnor wrote:
whee wrote:
gunnor wrote:
whee wrote:
gunnor wrote:He's being paid to play and there is 0% chance that his life is in danger. We're almost certain to lose now because Mkhi is such an important player. So frustrating!


0% chance that his life is in danger? Well that's not exactly true is it.

And the second sentence is just as big a pile of bollocks as the first.

His life is not in danger. And yes, we are more likely to lose now than not. Mkhi is a high level performer in this competition and we have no playmaker now other than Ozil. It's pretty much all on Ozil's shoulders. No Ramsey No Mkhitaryan. This is a disaster.


We've seen a couple of occasions this year where supporters have got onto the field of play and assaulted players; no reason that couldn't happen in Baku - so not 0% chance at all. When there's a desire from a lunatic to act, there's always a chance.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the importance of Mkhi to this match. The one part of his game I think we may miss is his industry, but guess what? Somebody else will have to pull their socks up.

Is Mkhi in your best XI?

Yeah but they extended a State guarantee, the ambassador the foreign ministry etc. all came out and said he had nothing to worry about. That's a big deal. I can't think of a single time when a single player representing a club was targeted on hostile territory. I admit that Serbians did invade the pitch to attack Albanian players once but Mkhi is representing Arsenal here not Armenia. There are a lot of Arsenal fans in Azerbaijan believe it or not. It's not realistic for him to say he fears for his life.

We have nobody that can replace Ozil even if Mkhi wasn't in your first XI that's my point. If Mkhi starts, he can complement Ozil and yes I would start him. But if Mkhi doesn't start then we would have no choice but to play 5 at the back (3 centre backs with two wingbacks) with only Ozil as the playmaker, just like against Valencia. But if plan A doesn't work, there is no plan B, because we don't have Mkhi. Its as simple as that. Either Ozil does the job or we're toast! Remember, every time plan A doesn't work, Mkhi always bails us out, he's an effective replacement for Ozil. His directness and sharp crosses would also catch Chelsea defenders out. Like I said, no Ramsey and no Mikhi means Ozil is on his own.


You're making a big case for Mikhi being on the bench. I am not sure how tbh, he was responsible for the Brighton move (with his shocking pass in the final third) that ultimately saw us drop 2 points which was the difference between us qualifying for the CL in 4th and having an all or nothing shot in Baku.

In saying that I am disappointed that he did not despite reassurances from the highest order in Azerbaijan choose to travel. The fans are taking every bit as much a risk going into an unstable part of the world.

Mkhitariyan was also responsible for our equaliser home to wolves
Set up lacazette for our first then scored in our 2-0 home win v Southampton


Those weren't pivotal moments were they though? In the case of Soton, it didn't make any difference.

The Brighton game was worth millions to us, and under pressure, Mikhi was a player that didn't step up. I am not saying others in the team are not responsible, Xhaka and Mustafi were absolute dogshit in the run in but let's keep things in perspective.

Next season if Reiss Nelson isn't loaned out I would like to see him started ahead of Mikhi and Ozil in a creative position.
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Re: Mkhitaryan and UEFA Disgrace

Postby starmandb » Thu May 23, 2019 6:50 am

north bank gooner wrote:
starmandb wrote:
north bank gooner wrote:
gunnor wrote:
whee wrote:
gunnor wrote:
whee wrote:
gunnor wrote:He's being paid to play and there is 0% chance that his life is in danger. We're almost certain to lose now because Mkhi is such an important player. So frustrating!


0% chance that his life is in danger? Well that's not exactly true is it.

And the second sentence is just as big a pile of bollocks as the first.

His life is not in danger. And yes, we are more likely to lose now than not. Mkhi is a high level performer in this competition and we have no playmaker now other than Ozil. It's pretty much all on Ozil's shoulders. No Ramsey No Mkhitaryan. This is a disaster.


We've seen a couple of occasions this year where supporters have got onto the field of play and assaulted players; no reason that couldn't happen in Baku - so not 0% chance at all. When there's a desire from a lunatic to act, there's always a chance.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the importance of Mkhi to this match. The one part of his game I think we may miss is his industry, but guess what? Somebody else will have to pull their socks up.

Is Mkhi in your best XI?

Yeah but they extended a State guarantee, the ambassador the foreign ministry etc. all came out and said he had nothing to worry about. That's a big deal. I can't think of a single time when a single player representing a club was targeted on hostile territory. I admit that Serbians did invade the pitch to attack Albanian players once but Mkhi is representing Arsenal here not Armenia. There are a lot of Arsenal fans in Azerbaijan believe it or not. It's not realistic for him to say he fears for his life.

We have nobody that can replace Ozil even if Mkhi wasn't in your first XI that's my point. If Mkhi starts, he can complement Ozil and yes I would start him. But if Mkhi doesn't start then we would have no choice but to play 5 at the back (3 centre backs with two wingbacks) with only Ozil as the playmaker, just like against Valencia. But if plan A doesn't work, there is no plan B, because we don't have Mkhi. Its as simple as that. Either Ozil does the job or we're toast! Remember, every time plan A doesn't work, Mkhi always bails us out, he's an effective replacement for Ozil. His directness and sharp crosses would also catch Chelsea defenders out. Like I said, no Ramsey and no Mikhi means Ozil is on his own.


You're making a big case for Mikhi being on the bench. I am not sure how tbh, he was responsible for the Brighton move (with his shocking pass in the final third) that ultimately saw us drop 2 points which was the difference between us qualifying for the CL in 4th and having an all or nothing shot in Baku.

In saying that I am disappointed that he did not despite reassurances from the highest order in Azerbaijan choose to travel. The fans are taking every bit as much a risk going into an unstable part of the world.

Mkhitariyan was also responsible for our equaliser home to wolves
Set up lacazette for our first then scored in our 2-0 home win v Southampton


Those weren't pivotal moments were they though? In the case of Soton, it didn't make any difference.

The Brighton game was worth millions to us, and under pressure, Mikhi was a player that didn't step up. I am not saying others in the team are not responsible, Xhaka and Mustafi were absolute dogshit in the run in but let's keep things in perspective.

Next season if Reiss Nelson isn't loaned out I would like to see him started ahead of Mikhi and Ozil in a creative position.

How about the penalty miss at Spurs then?
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Re: Mkhitaryan and UEFA Disgrace

Postby Zenith » Thu May 23, 2019 9:50 pm

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Re: Mkhitaryan and UEFA Disgrace

Postby PairyGrows » Fri May 24, 2019 8:19 am

Poor relations between Armenia and Azerbaijan are a political issue, not a footballing issue. If you don't like the situation, you shouldn't turn to UEFA for a resolution.
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Re: Mkhitaryan and UEFA Disgrace

Postby whee » Fri May 24, 2019 8:25 am

PairyGrows wrote:Poor relations between Armenia and Azerbaijan are a political issue, not a footballing issue. If you don't like the situation, you shouldn't turn to UEFA for a resolution.


But when UEFA's own policy is about inclusion for all and promoting opportunities regardless of race, sex, faith, then question's have to be asked about how the decision was made in the first place.

It was mentioned in Parliament, as those fans with Armenian connections have been refused visas (even though they'd have stated Europa League Final on their application) - that then becomes an FCO matter. Those visas should never have been refused.
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Re: Mkhitaryan and UEFA Disgrace

Postby EliteKiller » Fri May 24, 2019 8:33 am

whee wrote:But when UEFA's own policy is about inclusion for all and promoting opportunities regardless of race, sex, faith, then question's have to be asked about how the decision was made in the first place.

It was mentioned in Parliament, as those fans with Armenian connections have been refused visas (even though they'd have stated Europa League Final on their application) - that then becomes an FCO matter. Those visas should never have been refused.


Get your point but I doubt any Armenian going to Baku for terrorist reasons would list that on his application ... sadly major sporting events all around the globe are like giant 'get in free' passes for people with bad intentions ... It's a fact that some 100 countries still need Visas to enter the UK ... just putting down going to watch a sporting final wouldn't get any off them in ... of course they are not in Europe, but then nor is bloody Azerbaijan
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Re: Mkhitaryan and UEFA Disgrace

Postby Zenith » Fri May 24, 2019 7:23 pm

EliteKiller wrote: they are not in Europe, but then nor is bloody Azerbaijan.

Ahem.

Azerbaijan absolutely belongs to Europe and are part of the Eastern Partnership, the European Neighborhood Policy, and the Council of Europe. Azerbaijan stopped being part of the USSR in 1991.

The only country that isn't (either fully, or partially) situated in Europe, which has clubs who are eligible to compete in the CL and EL is Israel.
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Re: Mkhitaryan and UEFA Disgrace

Postby EliteKiller » Fri May 24, 2019 11:45 pm

Zenith wrote:Azerbaijan absolutely belongs to Europe and are part of the Eastern Partnership, the European Neighborhood Policy, and the Council of Europe. Azerbaijan stopped being part of the USSR in 1991.

The only country that isn't (either fully, or partially) situated in Europe, which has clubs who are eligible to compete in the CL and EL is Israel.


Depends who you ask .....

The precise definition of where Europe and Asia were located was debated well into the 19th century, as the Russian and Iranian empires battled repeatedly for political supremacy of the southern Caucasus Mountains where Georgia, Azerbaijan, and Armenia lie. But by the time of the Russian Revolution, when the U.S.S.R. consolidated its borders, the issue had become moot. The Urals lay well within the Soviet Union's borders, as did territories on its periphery, such as Georgia, Azerbaijan, and Armenia.

With the fall of the U.S.S.R. in 1991, these and other former Soviet republics achieved independence, if not political stability. Geographically speaking, their re-emergence on the international stage renewed debate over whether Georgia, Azerbaijan, and Armenia lie within Europe or Asia.

If you use the invisible line of the Ural Mountains and continue it south into the Caspian Sea, then the nations of the southern Caucasus lie within Europe. However it might be better to argue that Georgia, Azerbaijan, and Armenia are instead the gateway to southwestern Asia. Over the centuries, this region has been ruled by the Russians, the Iranians, Ottoman, and Mongol powers.


Seriously does it look like part of Europe to you ????????

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Re: Mkhitaryan and UEFA Disgrace

Postby gooney » Sat May 25, 2019 2:17 am

north bank gooner wrote:
starmandb wrote:
north bank gooner wrote:
gunnor wrote:
whee wrote:
gunnor wrote:
whee wrote:
gunnor wrote:He's being paid to play and there is 0% chance that his life is in danger. We're almost certain to lose now because Mkhi is such an important player. So frustrating!


0% chance that his life is in danger? Well that's not exactly true is it.

And the second sentence is just as big a pile of bollocks as the first.

His life is not in danger. And yes, we are more likely to lose now than not. Mkhi is a high level performer in this competition and we have no playmaker now other than Ozil. It's pretty much all on Ozil's shoulders. No Ramsey No Mkhitaryan. This is a disaster.


We've seen a couple of occasions this year where supporters have got onto the field of play and assaulted players; no reason that couldn't happen in Baku - so not 0% chance at all. When there's a desire from a lunatic to act, there's always a chance.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the importance of Mkhi to this match. The one part of his game I think we may miss is his industry, but guess what? Somebody else will have to pull their socks up.

Is Mkhi in your best XI?

Yeah but they extended a State guarantee, the ambassador the foreign ministry etc. all came out and said he had nothing to worry about. That's a big deal. I can't think of a single time when a single player representing a club was targeted on hostile territory. I admit that Serbians did invade the pitch to attack Albanian players once but Mkhi is representing Arsenal here not Armenia. There are a lot of Arsenal fans in Azerbaijan believe it or not. It's not realistic for him to say he fears for his life.

We have nobody that can replace Ozil even if Mkhi wasn't in your first XI that's my point. If Mkhi starts, he can complement Ozil and yes I would start him. But if Mkhi doesn't start then we would have no choice but to play 5 at the back (3 centre backs with two wingbacks) with only Ozil as the playmaker, just like against Valencia. But if plan A doesn't work, there is no plan B, because we don't have Mkhi. Its as simple as that. Either Ozil does the job or we're toast! Remember, every time plan A doesn't work, Mkhi always bails us out, he's an effective replacement for Ozil. His directness and sharp crosses would also catch Chelsea defenders out. Like I said, no Ramsey and no Mikhi means Ozil is on his own.


You're making a big case for Mikhi being on the bench. I am not sure how tbh, he was responsible for the Brighton move (with his shocking pass in the final third) that ultimately saw us drop 2 points which was the difference between us qualifying for the CL in 4th and having an all or nothing shot in Baku.

In saying that I am disappointed that he did not despite reassurances from the highest order in Azerbaijan choose to travel. The fans are taking every bit as much a risk going into an unstable part of the world.

Mkhitariyan was also responsible for our equaliser home to wolves
Set up lacazette for our first then scored in our 2-0 home win v Southampton


Those weren't pivotal moments were they though? In the case of Soton, it didn't make any difference.

The Brighton game was worth millions to us, and under pressure, Mikhi was a player that didn't step up. I am not saying others in the team are not responsible, Xhaka and Mustafi were absolute dogshit in the run in but let's keep things in perspective.

Next season if Reiss Nelson isn't loaned out I would like to see him started ahead of Mikhi and Ozil in a creative position.


Reiss nelson isnt half the player micky is....but why not. The guy who cant get a game in bundesliga is better than a guy who was one of the best players in bundesliga....make that make sense. The worst thing being arsenal fan is how we overated English kds
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Re: Mkhitaryan and UEFA Disgrace

Postby ag6789 » Sat May 25, 2019 2:41 am

Constant tinkering with the midfield have left our midfielders tentative, unsettled. Their confidence has taken a hit, unfortunately.
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