by FrustratedGooner » Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:36 am
by LMAO » Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:45 am
FrustratedGooner wrote:How long is left on his contract? He is still very young(22) loan him out see if he gets any better playing everywee...ohh he does that already. But in all honesty if we loan him out in Germany or some week league let him play and hopefully learn to shoot might work out and we can bring him back or sell him.
by Pudpop » Wed Apr 24, 2019 6:09 am
TheHotHead wrote:Theo was always a decent finisher and his shooting tekkers didn't stink the place up. At 16 Walcott was better in those areas than Iwobi is now. I have lost my patience with Iwobi, the quicker we sell the dud the better.
by Zenith » Wed Apr 24, 2019 6:40 am
LMAO wrote:FrustratedGooner wrote:How long is left on his contract? He is still very young(22) loan him out see if he gets any better playing everywee...ohh he does that already. But in all honesty if we loan him out in Germany or some week league let him play and hopefully learn to shoot might work out and we can bring him back or sell him.
2022 according to transfermarkt
Give him to Ajax for a season.
by Power n Glory » Wed Apr 24, 2019 6:46 am
by coach8smallball » Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:13 am
by theHotHead » Wed Apr 24, 2019 11:04 am
Pudpop wrote:TheHotHead wrote:Theo was always a decent finisher and his shooting tekkers didn't stink the place up. At 16 Walcott was better in those areas than Iwobi is now. I have lost my patience with Iwobi, the quicker we sell the dud the better.
This is a lie. Theo was universally lambasted fir his poor finoshing ability. The same goes for his first touch and dribbling skills, this that Iwobi is MUCH better at. It is nothing but revisionism to say anything else.
by Pudpop » Wed Apr 24, 2019 11:13 am
theHotHead wrote:Pudpop wrote:TheHotHead wrote:Theo was always a decent finisher and his shooting tekkers didn't stink the place up. At 16 Walcott was better in those areas than Iwobi is now. I have lost my patience with Iwobi, the quicker we sell the dud the better.
This is a lie. Theo was universally lambasted fir his poor finoshing ability. The same goes for his first touch and dribbling skills, this that Iwobi is MUCH better at. It is nothing but revisionism to say anything else.
Lets see shall we. All comps figures below.
Walcott (Arsenal first team aged 16)
2006/7 - 1414 mins. 1 goal, 5 assists.
2007/8 - 2101 mins. 7 goals, 6 assists.
2008/9 - 2217 mins. 6 goals, 4 assists.
Iwobi (Arsenal first team aged 19)
2015/16 - 1123 mins. 2 goals, 3 assists.
2016/17 - 2264 mins. 4 goals, 8 assists.
2017/18 - 2578 mins. 3 goals, 7 assists.
2018/19 - 2597 mins. 5 goals, 7 assists.
So in Theo's second season, he was 17 years old, he scored more goals than Iwobi has scored in any season with Arsenal. Iwobi is currently 22 and has more minutes on the pitch than Theo bar one season - when Theo was 16 ! Conclusive proof that Theo has always been a better finisher and has a better shot than Iwobi. Nobody was taking about dribbling or first touch.
Power n Glory wrote:I wouldn't say universally. Theo had some fans. I had time for Theo and always maintained that Wenger shafted his development by playing him on the wing for so long and then allocating a 'wide forward' role for him where doesn't get involved in the build up play and remained anonymous for most games if not scoring. Similar to what we've seen of Aubameyang on the wing when struggling.
Iwobi has the wing play that Theo lacks. The link up play, strength and dribbling but lacks the end product. I think Emery is missing trick by playing him wide all the time. Especially in games where he's having to play Guendouzi and Elneny. He should try and develop Iwobi as a CM/AM since he can't finish.
by Power n Glory » Wed Apr 24, 2019 11:27 am
by theHotHead » Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:09 pm
Pudpop wrote:theHotHead wrote:Pudpop wrote:TheHotHead wrote:Theo was always a decent finisher and his shooting tekkers didn't stink the place up. At 16 Walcott was better in those areas than Iwobi is now. I have lost my patience with Iwobi, the quicker we sell the dud the better.
This is a lie. Theo was universally lambasted fir his poor finoshing ability. The same goes for his first touch and dribbling skills, this that Iwobi is MUCH better at. It is nothing but revisionism to say anything else.
Lets see shall we. All comps figures below.
Walcott (Arsenal first team aged 16)
2006/7 - 1414 mins. 1 goal, 5 assists.
2007/8 - 2101 mins. 7 goals, 6 assists.
2008/9 - 2217 mins. 6 goals, 4 assists.
Iwobi (Arsenal first team aged 19)
2015/16 - 1123 mins. 2 goals, 3 assists.
2016/17 - 2264 mins. 4 goals, 8 assists.
2017/18 - 2578 mins. 3 goals, 7 assists.
2018/19 - 2597 mins. 5 goals, 7 assists.
So in Theo's second season, he was 17 years old, he scored more goals than Iwobi has scored in any season with Arsenal. Iwobi is currently 22 and has more minutes on the pitch than Theo bar one season - when Theo was 16 ! Conclusive proof that Theo has always been a better finisher and has a better shot than Iwobi. Nobody was taking about dribbling or first touch.
Imagine thinking that argument is even remotely 'conclusive proof'
That's like saying Theo is a better finisher than Guendouzi because he scored more goals.Power n Glory wrote:I wouldn't say universally. Theo had some fans. I had time for Theo and always maintained that Wenger shafted his development by playing him on the wing for so long and then allocating a 'wide forward' role for him where doesn't get involved in the build up play and remained anonymous for most games if not scoring. Similar to what we've seen of Aubameyang on the wing when struggling.
Iwobi has the wing play that Theo lacks. The link up play, strength and dribbling but lacks the end product. I think Emery is missing trick by playing him wide all the time. Especially in games where he's having to play Guendouzi and Elneny. He should try and develop Iwobi as a CM/AM since he can't finish.
I said his finishing was universally criticized. Not him as a player
by Phil71 » Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:13 pm
by theHotHead » Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:39 pm
by Rockape » Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:40 pm
Phil71 wrote:I think if you played a one legged blind bloke up front he'd score more than Iwobi.
by Highbury Hillbilly » Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:42 pm
by Power n Glory » Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:58 pm
theHotHead wrote:Pudpod, to add to my previous response, an Iwobi/Walcott comparison is at least pretty accurate. A Guendouzi/Walcott comparison makes no sense. Iwobi and Walcott are attackers. Lets also not forget that Walcott was played solely as a winger not a forward, during the first half of his Arsenal career. So the comparison with Iwobi is spot on.