Firstly the 5 players Angelito listed have all been regular starters in the same team in 2019
Would you like to re-evaluate your last post? Think you missed the quote above.
by theHotHead » Tue Feb 26, 2019 5:12 pm
Firstly the 5 players Angelito listed have all been regular starters in the same team in 2019
by NovaGB » Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:24 pm
by StLGooner » Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:37 pm
Suprnova wrote:This has probably been posted a million times here, but i think without the stadium move and more money to spend, and without him having the pressure of hiding everything that was really going on (which he was great at) I think we would have continued our success.
Emery is less shy about exposing the money issues so it shows what Wenger was dealing with the whole time.
One deal stands out in particular, Signing Xhaka over Kante and another in Gervinho over Hazard or even the 40,000,001 bid for Suarez, he was always going for the player that was cheaper in fees and wages, and it showed, was this his doing, or the boards?
I'm on the fence with it, it could be either, but i'd like to see him at a club that gives him money to spend, to see if he woudl actually spend it, and if he did spend it what he could still achieve.
Until then, I'll never judge either way with Wenger, the guy was a revelation and turned mediocre as soon as we moved to the Emirates, with his best players already aging and nothing to replace them with.
by swipe right » Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:20 pm
Suprnova wrote:This has probably been posted a million times here, but i think without the stadium move and more money to spend, and without him having the pressure of hiding everything that was really going on (which he was great at) I think we would have continued our success.
Emery is less shy about exposing the money issues so it shows what Wenger was dealing with the whole time.
One deal stands out in particular, Signing Xhaka over Kante and another in Gervinho over Hazard or even the 40,000,001 bid for Suarez, he was always going for the player that was cheaper in fees and wages, and it showed, was this his doing, or the boards?
I'm on the fence with it, it could be either, but i'd like to see him at a club that gives him money to spend, to see if he woudl actually spend it, and if he did spend it what he could still achieve.
Until then, I'll never judge either way with Wenger, the guy was a revelation and turned mediocre as soon as we moved to the Emirates, with his best players already aging and nothing to replace them with.
by NovaGB » Wed Feb 27, 2019 4:19 am
swipe right wrote:Suprnova wrote:This has probably been posted a million times here, but i think without the stadium move and more money to spend, and without him having the pressure of hiding everything that was really going on (which he was great at) I think we would have continued our success.
Emery is less shy about exposing the money issues so it shows what Wenger was dealing with the whole time.
One deal stands out in particular, Signing Xhaka over Kante and another in Gervinho over Hazard or even the 40,000,001 bid for Suarez, he was always going for the player that was cheaper in fees and wages, and it showed, was this his doing, or the boards?
I'm on the fence with it, it could be either, but i'd like to see him at a club that gives him money to spend, to see if he woudl actually spend it, and if he did spend it what he could still achieve.
Until then, I'll never judge either way with Wenger, the guy was a revelation and turned mediocre as soon as we moved to the Emirates, with his best players already aging and nothing to replace them with.
Eh? So after he left why did we sign Leno and not Alison or Ederson? Why did we sign Sokratis and not a Kolabaliy?
by CrimsonGunner11 » Wed Feb 27, 2019 4:33 am
Suprnova wrote:This has probably been posted a million times here, but i think without the stadium move and more money to spend, and without him having the pressure of hiding everything that was really going on (which he was great at) I think we would have continued our success.
Emery is less shy about exposing the money issues so it shows what Wenger was dealing with the whole time.
One deal stands out in particular, Signing Xhaka over Kante and another in Gervinho over Hazard or even the 40,000,001 bid for Suarez, he was always going for the player that was cheaper in fees and wages, and it showed, was this his doing, or the boards?
I'm on the fence with it, it could be either, but i'd like to see him at a club that gives him money to spend, to see if he woudl actually spend it, and if he did spend it what he could still achieve.
Until then, I'll never judge either way with Wenger, the guy was a revelation and turned mediocre as soon as we moved to the Emirates, with his best players already aging and nothing to replace them with.
by NovaGB » Wed Feb 27, 2019 4:54 am
CrimsonGunner11 wrote:Suprnova wrote:This has probably been posted a million times here, but i think without the stadium move and more money to spend, and without him having the pressure of hiding everything that was really going on (which he was great at) I think we would have continued our success.
Emery is less shy about exposing the money issues so it shows what Wenger was dealing with the whole time.
One deal stands out in particular, Signing Xhaka over Kante and another in Gervinho over Hazard or even the 40,000,001 bid for Suarez, he was always going for the player that was cheaper in fees and wages, and it showed, was this his doing, or the boards?
I'm on the fence with it, it could be either, but i'd like to see him at a club that gives him money to spend, to see if he woudl actually spend it, and if he did spend it what he could still achieve.
Until then, I'll never judge either way with Wenger, the guy was a revelation and turned mediocre as soon as we moved to the Emirates, with his best players already aging and nothing to replace them with.
Good post.
If it’s a battle between the board and Wenger, then anyone who’s been following my posts in this forum will know where my allegiance has always been. I only gave up on Wenger because it became clear that he could no longer work with all the handicaps as much as he (and I) probably thought he could.
It will take a special man to get this club back where it belongs, all things remaining equal.
by theHotHead » Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:01 am
Suprnova wrote:This has probably been posted a million times here, but i think without the stadium move and more money to spend, and without him having the pressure of hiding everything that was really going on (which he was great at) I think we would have continued our success.
Emery is less shy about exposing the money issues so it shows what Wenger was dealing with the whole time.
One deal stands out in particular, Signing Xhaka over Kante and another in Gervinho over Hazard or even the 40,000,001 bid for Suarez, he was always going for the player that was cheaper in fees and wages, and it showed, was this his doing, or the boards?
I'm on the fence with it, it could be either, but i'd like to see him at a club that gives him money to spend, to see if he woudl actually spend it, and if he did spend it what he could still achieve.
Until then, I'll never judge either way with Wenger, the guy was a revelation and turned mediocre as soon as we moved to the Emirates, with his best players already aging and nothing to replace them with.
by Arsenal Tone » Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:03 am
theHotHead wrote:Suprnova wrote:This has probably been posted a million times here, but i think without the stadium move and more money to spend, and without him having the pressure of hiding everything that was really going on (which he was great at) I think we would have continued our success.
Emery is less shy about exposing the money issues so it shows what Wenger was dealing with the whole time.
One deal stands out in particular, Signing Xhaka over Kante and another in Gervinho over Hazard or even the 40,000,001 bid for Suarez, he was always going for the player that was cheaper in fees and wages, and it showed, was this his doing, or the boards?
I'm on the fence with it, it could be either, but i'd like to see him at a club that gives him money to spend, to see if he woudl actually spend it, and if he did spend it what he could still achieve.
Until then, I'll never judge either way with Wenger, the guy was a revelation and turned mediocre as soon as we moved to the Emirates, with his best players already aging and nothing to replace them with.
Its a falsehood. Arsenal have never been the biggest spenders but have been able to compete. The stadium move was not the reason we played players out of position and brought in the likes of potato head Silvestre and Sanogo. It was not the reason Wenger stuck with Almunia and Flappyhandski in goal. It was not the reason he didn't want to spend £4m on Schwarzer.
No, it was Wenger's stubbornness and arrogance that prevented us from winning the league again. Buying a million little frail technical midfielders and no men, no leaders on the pitch.
The stadium didn't prevent us from getting a spiralling wage bill did it!!! Its a non-argument and one that Wenger apologists like to hide behind.
by NovaGB » Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:08 am
by CrimsonGunner11 » Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:07 am
theHotHead wrote:Suprnova wrote:This has probably been posted a million times here, but i think without the stadium move and more money to spend, and without him having the pressure of hiding everything that was really going on (which he was great at) I think we would have continued our success.
Emery is less shy about exposing the money issues so it shows what Wenger was dealing with the whole time.
One deal stands out in particular, Signing Xhaka over Kante and another in Gervinho over Hazard or even the 40,000,001 bid for Suarez, he was always going for the player that was cheaper in fees and wages, and it showed, was this his doing, or the boards?
I'm on the fence with it, it could be either, but i'd like to see him at a club that gives him money to spend, to see if he woudl actually spend it, and if he did spend it what he could still achieve.
Until then, I'll never judge either way with Wenger, the guy was a revelation and turned mediocre as soon as we moved to the Emirates, with his best players already aging and nothing to replace them with.
Its a falsehood. Arsenal have never been the biggest spenders but have been able to compete. The stadium move was not the reason we played players out of position and brought in the likes of potato head Silvestre and Sanogo. It was not the reason Wenger stuck with Almunia and Flappyhandski in goal. It was not the reason he didn't want to spend £4m on Schwarzer.
No, it was Wenger's stubbornness and arrogance that prevented us from winning the league again. Buying a million little frail technical midfielders and no men, no leaders on the pitch.
The stadium didn't prevent us from getting a spiralling wage bill did it!!! Its a non-argument and one that Wenger apologists like to hide behind.
by StLGooner » Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:12 pm
by EliteKiller » Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:32 pm
StLGooner wrote:And why don't we have any money now then? Can't blame Wenger anymore. I'm not a Wenger fan or apologist, but its seem pretty clear that it wasn't all his fault. And Wenger protected the board all while making himself look bad.
by StLGooner » Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:35 pm
EliteKiller wrote:StLGooner wrote:And why don't we have any money now then? Can't blame Wenger anymore. I'm not a Wenger fan or apologist, but its seem pretty clear that it wasn't all his fault. And Wenger protected the board all while making himself look bad.
Probably because we've recently spent a huge amount ...
18/19 - 73m
17/18 - 137m
16/17 - 101m
15/16 - 24m
14/15 - 107m
That's 442m in five years the vast majority by Wenger, during that same period we sold just 182m ... that means we've spent net 260m in five years ... some 200m of that has come straight out of our cash reserves, claiming we don't spend money? Before he left Arsene spent a bloody fortune, and somehow we got worse.
by theHotHead » Wed Feb 27, 2019 2:50 pm
EliteKiller wrote:StLGooner wrote:And why don't we have any money now then? Can't blame Wenger anymore. I'm not a Wenger fan or apologist, but its seem pretty clear that it wasn't all his fault. And Wenger protected the board all while making himself look bad.
Probably because we've recently spent a huge amount ...
18/19 - 73m
17/18 - 137m
16/17 - 101m
15/16 - 24m
14/15 - 107m
That's 442m in five years the vast majority by Wenger, during that same period we sold just 182m ... that means we've spent net 260m in five years ... some 200m of that has come straight out of our cash reserves, claiming we don't spend money? Before he left Arsene spent a bloody fortune, and somehow we got worse.