by swipe right » Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:18 am
by CrimsonGunner11 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:45 am
Zedie wrote:PairyGrows wrote:I can't help feeling there are a few misuderstandings about what I'm trying to argue. I'll try to address them to the best of my ability.
Offloading the deadwood won't guarantee a better wage structure. The incoming players will base their wage demands on the wages we're currently paying, which likely means we'll have to pay over the odds a bit. Also, even if the wage cap won't prove a hindrance, we'll still have to make a profit.
Also, it's incredibly difficult to grow the revenue in the short term. Broadcast revenue is less lucrative for the Europa League, and commercial income is inflexible. The only way to make more money quickly is to crank up the ticket prices. For obvious reasons, that option is out of question.
Even though we're worth £2bn, the reality is that our self-sufficient model (which won't change according to the club) coupled with plummeting revenues and soaring wages mean we're in serious trouble.
Release ramsey - 120k
Sell ozil at a huge loss - 350k
Elneny - 60k?
Jenkinson - 50k?
Cech - 100k ?
Lichtenstiener 70k ?
Monreal 70k?
Replace these lot with some up and coming / a few established performers and we'll be fine.
We just need to endure the 2nd half of this season to do it.
All of our competitors have gone through this in some form over the last 3 years or more, from various starting points. We arent that far off but we really need a decent investment in the summer.
by Ach » Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:57 am
by Highbury Hillbilly » Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:58 am
CrimsonGunner11 wrote:
Xhaka's on 90k = please get rid.
Read Doucoure's on 25k
Read Gueye's on 45k
Read Mendy's on 50k
Read Ndidi's on 35k
Read Herrera's on 75k
Read Romeu's on 65k
Read Hojbjerg's on 50k
Read Wanyama's on 26k
All this from the PL alone
by Dubs4Sam » Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:29 am
by PairyGrows » Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:45 am
by Luzh 22 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:38 am
PairyGrows wrote:I hate to beat a dead horse but our current wage bill has a profound effect on the demands of the players we're going to sign the summer. Let's also not forget our objective is to cut the wage bill in order to turn in a profit.
Take Abdoulaye Doucoure for instance. If he's going to be a back-up midfielder, he's going to look at what Elneny makes (£55k per week), and he's going to want the same. Likewise, if he's coming in as a starter, he's going to look at what Xhaka and Torreira make (£90k and £70k per week, respectively) and he's going to want the same.
Our wage structure is horrible, and it will increase the costs even further. Rising costs are not what we can afford with our limited revenue growth. Our hands are tied.
by Luzh 22 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:46 am
Zedie wrote:PairyGrows wrote:I can't help feeling there are a few misuderstandings about what I'm trying to argue. I'll try to address them to the best of my ability.
Offloading the deadwood won't guarantee a better wage structure. The incoming players will base their wage demands on the wages we're currently paying, which likely means we'll have to pay over the odds a bit. Also, even if the wage cap won't prove a hindrance, we'll still have to make a profit.
Also, it's incredibly difficult to grow the revenue in the short term. Broadcast revenue is less lucrative for the Europa League, and commercial income is inflexible. The only way to make more money quickly is to crank up the ticket prices. For obvious reasons, that option is out of question.
Even though we're worth £2bn, the reality is that our self-sufficient model (which won't change according to the club) coupled with plummeting revenues and soaring wages mean we're in serious trouble.
Release ramsey - 120k
Sell ozil at a huge loss - 350k
Elneny - 60k?
Jenkinson - 50k?
Cech - 100k ?
Lichtenstiener 70k ?
Monreal 70k?
Replace these lot with some up and coming / a few established performers and we'll be fine.
We just need to endure the 2nd half of this season to do it.
All of our competitors have gone through this in some form over the last 3 years or more, from various starting points. We arent that far off but we really need a decent investment in the summer.
by gooney » Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:15 am
Luzh 22 wrote:PairyGrows wrote:I hate to beat a dead horse but our current wage bill has a profound effect on the demands of the players we're going to sign the summer. Let's also not forget our objective is to cut the wage bill in order to turn in a profit.
Take Abdoulaye Doucoure for instance. If he's going to be a back-up midfielder, he's going to look at what Elneny makes (£55k per week), and he's going to want the same. Likewise, if he's coming in as a starter, he's going to look at what Xhaka and Torreira make (£90k and £70k per week, respectively) and he's going to want the same.
Our wage structure is horrible, and it will increase the costs even further. Rising costs are not what we can afford with our limited revenue growth. Our hands are tied.
At this point, I am certain you're just trying to paint a far gloomier picture than is the reality. All of this stuff you keep going on about is just baseless conjecture.
by PairyGrows » Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:38 am
Luzh 22 wrote:PairyGrows wrote:I hate to beat a dead horse but our current wage bill has a profound effect on the demands of the players we're going to sign the summer. Let's also not forget our objective is to cut the wage bill in order to turn in a profit.
Take Abdoulaye Doucoure for instance. If he's going to be a back-up midfielder, he's going to look at what Elneny makes (£55k per week), and he's going to want the same. Likewise, if he's coming in as a starter, he's going to look at what Xhaka and Torreira make (£90k and £70k per week, respectively) and he's going to want the same.
Our wage structure is horrible, and it will increase the costs even further. Rising costs are not what we can afford with our limited revenue growth. Our hands are tied.
At this point, I am certain you're just trying to paint a far gloomier picture than is the reality. All of this stuff you keep going on about is just baseless conjecture.
by Luzh 22 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:15 am
PairyGrows wrote:Luzh 22 wrote:PairyGrows wrote:I hate to beat a dead horse but our current wage bill has a profound effect on the demands of the players we're going to sign the summer. Let's also not forget our objective is to cut the wage bill in order to turn in a profit.
Take Abdoulaye Doucoure for instance. If he's going to be a back-up midfielder, he's going to look at what Elneny makes (£55k per week), and he's going to want the same. Likewise, if he's coming in as a starter, he's going to look at what Xhaka and Torreira make (£90k and £70k per week, respectively) and he's going to want the same.
Our wage structure is horrible, and it will increase the costs even further. Rising costs are not what we can afford with our limited revenue growth. Our hands are tied.
At this point, I am certain you're just trying to paint a far gloomier picture than is the reality. All of this stuff you keep going on about is just baseless conjecture.
Far from it. I'm basing my opinion on facts and reasonable estimates about the club's financial position, the club's statements about self-sufficiency as well as an understanding of basic economics. I've not pulled this out of thin air just to agitate my fellow Arsenal fans. This is a genuine concern of mine.
by PairyGrows » Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:40 pm
Luzh 22 wrote:PairyGrows wrote:Luzh 22 wrote:PairyGrows wrote:I hate to beat a dead horse but our current wage bill has a profound effect on the demands of the players we're going to sign the summer. Let's also not forget our objective is to cut the wage bill in order to turn in a profit.
Take Abdoulaye Doucoure for instance. If he's going to be a back-up midfielder, he's going to look at what Elneny makes (£55k per week), and he's going to want the same. Likewise, if he's coming in as a starter, he's going to look at what Xhaka and Torreira make (£90k and £70k per week, respectively) and he's going to want the same.
Our wage structure is horrible, and it will increase the costs even further. Rising costs are not what we can afford with our limited revenue growth. Our hands are tied.
At this point, I am certain you're just trying to paint a far gloomier picture than is the reality. All of this stuff you keep going on about is just baseless conjecture.
Far from it. I'm basing my opinion on facts and reasonable estimates about the club's financial position, the club's statements about self-sufficiency as well as an understanding of basic economics. I've not pulled this out of thin air just to agitate my fellow Arsenal fans. This is a genuine concern of mine.
All of your so called "reasonable estimates" are based on this statement: " Let's also not forget our objective is to cut the wage bill in order to turn in a profit."
That is baseless conjecture. Nowhere has it been said or reported, via the club or anybody else, other than yourself. If that was the objective, there is no way recent wage rises of over 100% would have been sanctioned.
Stan Kroenke, for as much as an asshole as he is, is not an idiot. You don't secure loans worth billions of pounds if you're an idiot.
He knows that the real money he's going to make from Arsenal is going to be the re-selling of the club in the future. Not a few quid in wages (in the scheme of things). He knows he has to grow the brand, and he knows by doing so he'll make a killing on the re-sale. He's already doubled the value on his original investment.
by Luzh 22 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:04 pm
Sims wrote:EVERYONE SHOULD READ THIS
by Santi » Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:08 pm