The Wizard of Özil

[Dynamite]

Assists on Transfrmarkt are dodgy and unreliable

Based on what?

They tend to be generous with their assist giving, it’s usually the one stat which is categorically wrong - alongside transfer value, obvs

Understat, Squawka & WhoScored are the most accurate

They all (the three above) use Opta as their source IIRC and Opta hasn't a 100% accuracy history too.

[theHotHead]

So, lets look at David Silva and Eden Hazard.

Silva
Goals/assists v top 6 - 33. So 23% of goals
Goals/assists v rest - 111. So 77% of goals

Hazard
Goals/assists v top 6 - 27. So 20% of goals
Goals assists v rest - 107. So 80% of goals

Ozil
Goals/assists v top 6 - 16. So 19% of goals
Goals/assists v rest - 70. So 81% of goals

Now consider, Ozil has been playing for a team that doesn't challenge for league titles and a team that typically has less squad quality than both Chelsea and Man City. A reminder, 26% of games are against top 6 teams, 74% are against the rest.

Another argument napalmed !

[Dejan]

So, lets look at David Silva and Eden Hazard.

Silva
Goals/assists v top 6 - 33. So 23% of goals
Goals/assists v rest - 111. So 77% of goals

Hazard
Goals/assists v top 6 - 27. So 20% of goals
Goals assists v rest - 107. So 80% of goals

Ozil
Goals/assists v top 6 - 16. So 19% of goals
Goals/assists v rest - 70. So 81% of goals

Now consider, Ozil has been playing for a team that doesn't challenge for league titles and a team that typically has less squad quality than both Chelsea and Man City. A reminder, 26% of games are against top 6 teams, 74% are against the rest.

Another argument napalmed !

Percentage of assists within your own total assists isnt a very good measure to compare them is it. Should of compared these players with assists/goals per 90(against top 6). Far more accurate.

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[StLGooner]

Ahh the enigma that is Mesut Ozil!!

This thread may never die, even after he's done playing.

[theHotHead]

So, lets look at David Silva and Eden Hazard.

Silva
Goals/assists v top 6 - 33. So 23% of goals
Goals/assists v rest - 111. So 77% of goals

Hazard
Goals/assists v top 6 - 27. So 20% of goals
Goals assists v rest - 107. So 80% of goals

Ozil
Goals/assists v top 6 - 16. So 19% of goals
Goals/assists v rest - 70. So 81% of goals

Now consider, Ozil has been playing for a team that doesn't challenge for league titles and a team that typically has less squad quality than both Chelsea and Man City. A reminder, 26% of games are against top 6 teams, 74% are against the rest.

Another argument napalmed !

Percentage of assists within your own total assists isnt a very good measure to compare them is it. Should of compared these players with assists/goals per 90(against top 6). Far more accurate.

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Huh ?? What could be more accurate than totaling the number of goals and assists and working out how many were against top teams and how many were not ? No need to over complicate this. 100% of goals/assists, how many were against the top 6 ? Does it match proportionally the number of games vs the top 6. Is Ozil a flat track bully? Not really. If he is then so is Hazard and Silva isn't far off either.

[Santi]

Why do people still care so much? If you like him then enjoy him while he’s here and fit, if not, Fvck off.

[Dejan]

So, lets look at David Silva and Eden Hazard.

Silva
Goals/assists v top 6 - 33. So 23% of goals
Goals/assists v rest - 111. So 77% of goals

Hazard
Goals/assists v top 6 - 27. So 20% of goals
Goals assists v rest - 107. So 80% of goals

Ozil
Goals/assists v top 6 - 16. So 19% of goals
Goals/assists v rest - 70. So 81% of goals

Now consider, Ozil has been playing for a team that doesn't challenge for league titles and a team that typically has less squad quality than both Chelsea and Man City. A reminder, 26% of games are against top 6 teams, 74% are against the rest.

Another argument napalmed !

Percentage of assists within your own total assists isnt a very good measure to compare them is it. Should of compared these players with assists/goals per 90(against top 6). Far more accurate.

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Huh ?? What could be more accurate than totaling the number of goals and assists and working out how many were against top teams and how many were not ? No need to over complicate this. 100% of goals/assists, how many were against the top 6 ? Does it match proportionally the number of games vs the top 6. Is Ozil a flat track bully? Not really. If he is then so is Hazard and Silva isn't far off either.

Because your stat does not take into account how many matches he played against top 6.

For example if he played once against top 6 and scored 2 and played 38 times against other teams outside top 6 and scored 76 then using your stat would make him look like a flattrack bully meanwhile his scoring ratio is the same between top6 and non top 6.

Using assist ratio per match of 90minutes against for both would give a better comparison.

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[Dejan]

Why do people still care so much? If you like him then enjoy him while he’s here and fit, if not, Fvck off.

Fck off yourself mate

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[indy23]

People should not get it twisted. He's not better than those two

[theHotHead]

Dejan, you are welcome to do so.

I proved that Ozil's goal percentage between top 6 teams and the rest are exactly what they should be and he is not a flat track bully. If you want to prove something else, be my guest.

[Angelito]

Can someone pass this to Unai? Cheers.

[knowledge93]

Can someone pass this to Unai? Cheers.

Don't get what that has to do with Ozil. To get the best out of Ozil he needs a completely free role with no defensive responsibility whereas Eriksen has a free role but is also trusted to contribute defensively. I love Ozil but can we stop comparing him to other number 10s. Ozil is an out and out number 10. While he is by far our most creative player, he does need a system built around him to thrive. The other players like Silva, Eriksen and De Bruyne don't have the same freedom Ozil has.

[Power n Glory]

Ozil had complete freedom under Wenger.

[Luzh 22]

Ozil needs to go. Very talented footballer but doesn't deliver consistently enough to justify the level of investment in him.


Quite simply, he is now holding the club back. Pretty sure the club now recognize this, hence his agents comments a few weeks ago.

[EliteKiller]

Is it time of the month again? another 350k contribution well spent ... this has to be Emery giving him the finger, fit but not even in the squad