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Re: British Politics

Postby UFGN » Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:20 pm

EliteKiller wrote:
UFGN wrote:The right are responsible for vastly more violence than the left, both in general and in polotics

In this country, in recent years, one political assassination and at least one attempted assassination

Phil also went to the trouble of creating a thread and post to highlight an attack on a far right politician.

The game of the far right and their sympathisers is to cling to any example of violence or intimidation directed at them..... When their meat, drink, bread and butter is intimidation and hate every single day.


How do you define left and Right?

The world's two biggest killers by far - Mao Zedong - Joseph Stalin both who could be described as Left wing .... Khmer Rouge also Left Wing ....

The claim 'The right are responsible for vastly more violence' is just emotive based on Hitler (who started out as a socialist) being a homicidal right wing nutter who lost the war ... Stalin was far worse but he won ....

Whilst the Right wing does indeed contain some odious racist W****rs, they are few in number and 99.9% all talk. The Left wing with their Yellow Vest protests have caused more deaths (10 so far) than Right wing protests have killed in a decade. Both sides are still out of order

The truth is the Far Right and the Far Left are equally odious, history shows that the left are just as violent and have killed just as many people as the right. To try and say one group of extremists is somehow less abhorrent than their opposite number ... is like saying death by drowning is better than death by hanging ... either way you're still dead.


I'm not basing anything on Hitler or Stalin

I'm basing it on attitudes. Far Right ideology as a matter of fact has hate at its very core. It's aim is by it's very nature to discriminate.

Far left ideology, has at its core a wish for people to be equal in opportunities and rights.

I'm not denying that there are examples of far left idiots committing violence. What I'm saying is that hate, discrimination and all that goes with that, are an integral part of far right DNA
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Re: British Politics

Postby Phil71 » Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:31 pm

UFGN wrote:
EliteKiller wrote:
UFGN wrote:The right are responsible for vastly more violence than the left, both in general and in polotics

In this country, in recent years, one political assassination and at least one attempted assassination

Phil also went to the trouble of creating a thread and post to highlight an attack on a far right politician.

The game of the far right and their sympathisers is to cling to any example of violence or intimidation directed at them..... When their meat, drink, bread and butter is intimidation and hate every single day.


How do you define left and Right?

The world's two biggest killers by far - Mao Zedong - Joseph Stalin both who could be described as Left wing .... Khmer Rouge also Left Wing ....

The claim 'The right are responsible for vastly more violence' is just emotive based on Hitler (who started out as a socialist) being a homicidal right wing nutter who lost the war ... Stalin was far worse but he won ....

Whilst the Right wing does indeed contain some odious racist W****rs, they are few in number and 99.9% all talk. The Left wing with their Yellow Vest protests have caused more deaths (10 so far) than Right wing protests have killed in a decade. Both sides are still out of order

The truth is the Far Right and the Far Left are equally odious, history shows that the left are just as violent and have killed just as many people as the right. To try and say one group of extremists is somehow less abhorrent than their opposite number ... is like saying death by drowning is better than death by hanging ... either way you're still dead.


I'm not basing anything on Hitler or Stalin

I'm basing it on attitudes. Far Right ideology as a matter of fact has hate at its very core. It's aim is by it's very nature to discriminate.

Far left ideology, has at its core a wish for people to be equal in opportunities and rights.

I'm not denying that there are examples of far left idiots committing violence. What I'm saying is that hate, discrimination and all that goes with that, are an integral part of far right DNA


...and anyone who doesn't agree can be disposed of.
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Re: British Politics

Postby EliteKiller » Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:43 pm

UFGN wrote:I'm not basing anything on Hitler or Stalin

I'm basing it on attitudes. Far Right ideology as a matter of fact has hate at its very core. It's aim is by it's very nature to discriminate.

Far left ideology, has at its core a wish for people to be equal in opportunities and rights.

I'm not denying that there are examples of far left idiots committing violence. What I'm saying is that hate, discrimination and all that goes with that, are an integral part of far right DNA


I get what you are saying "The Far Right are worse than the Far Left" my point, backed up by history, is that they are both equally detestable ...
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Re: British Politics

Postby UFGN » Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:56 pm

EliteKiller wrote:
UFGN wrote:I'm not basing anything on Hitler or Stalin

I'm basing it on attitudes. Far Right ideology as a matter of fact has hate at its very core. It's aim is by it's very nature to discriminate.

Far left ideology, has at its core a wish for people to be equal in opportunities and rights.

I'm not denying that there are examples of far left idiots committing violence. What I'm saying is that hate, discrimination and all that goes with that, are an integral part of far right DNA


I get what you are saying "The Far Right are worse than the Far Left" my point, backed up by history, is that they are both equally detestable ...


Anyone who holds far right views is dangerous by default, because of those views and what they mean in practice

The same can not be said for just anyone on the far left
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Re: British Politics

Postby Rockape » Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:21 pm

Far left ideology, has at its core a wish for people to be equal in opportunities and rights.


Although some are more equal than others! I think UFGN you are thinking of the Corbynistas when you say that. A gentle man who would harm no one.......but some would say his style of politics would be more dangerous to the general well being of the country, than all of the Nazi thugs in the country (multiplied by ten)would ever be capable of.
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Re: British Politics

Postby UFGN » Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:38 pm

Rockape wrote:
Far left ideology, has at its core a wish for people to be equal in opportunities and rights.


Although some are more equal than others! I think UFGN you are thinking of the Corbynistas when you say that. A gentle man who would harm no one.......but some would say his style of politics would be more dangerous to the general well being of the country, than all of the Nazi thugs in the country (multiplied by ten)would ever be capable of.


Well please explain how. Please avoid general assumptions about the economy by the way

Some specific examples of how his policies could cause a situation 10 times worse than all the neo Nazi thugs in our country could ever cause?

Specific examples?
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Re: British Politics

Postby Rockape » Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:40 pm

UFGN wrote:
Rockape wrote:
Far left ideology, has at its core a wish for people to be equal in opportunities and rights.


Although some are more equal than others! I think UFGN you are thinking of the Corbynistas when you say that. A gentle man who would harm no one.......but some would say his style of politics would be more dangerous to the general well being of the country, than all of the Nazi thugs in the country (multiplied by ten)would ever be capable of.


Well please explain how. Please avoid general assumptions about the economy by the way

Some specific examples of how his policies could cause a situation 10 times worse than all the neo Nazi thugs in our country could ever cause?

Specific examples?


One word....Business!
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Re: British Politics

Postby DiamondGooner » Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:50 pm

UFGN wrote:
EliteKiller wrote:
UFGN wrote:I'm not basing anything on Hitler or Stalin

I'm basing it on attitudes. Far Right ideology as a matter of fact has hate at its very core. It's aim is by it's very nature to discriminate.

Far left ideology, has at its core a wish for people to be equal in opportunities and rights.

I'm not denying that there are examples of far left idiots committing violence. What I'm saying is that hate, discrimination and all that goes with that, are an integral part of far right DNA


I get what you are saying "The Far Right are worse than the Far Left" my point, backed up by history, is that they are both equally detestable ...


Anyone who holds far right views is dangerous by default, because of those views and what they mean in practice

The same can not be said for just anyone on the far left


Pol Pot and 2 million dead say hi.

You may be right on average but when the Far Left actually do get power they're just as dangerous if not more so.

The Right funnily enough are quite easily pacified, stick them with "their own kind" and as isolationists they tend to calm down, the Far Left however have an ideology that can never be pacified because the people will always fight against that level of intellectual oppression and so will any other nation they try to invade.

The Right may want to control their territory and who's allowed in it but the Far Left want to control how you even think and that is why its so repulsive.

The Far Right are a den of c*nts, the Far Left are deranged.

We don't need either, so you two arguing is like arguing over which shade of sh*t is more fetching, Extremism no matter which wing it comes from is just pure intolerance.
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Re: British Politics

Postby DiamondGooner » Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:55 pm

Not sure what to make of this Bercow business on one hand I admire it if full Leave will be a disaster and the fact we've not been planning for it then its tough balls, Leave MP's should of stepped up ........... but on the other hand I don't like the way Remain MP's have willfully ignored the referendum and haven't addressed the public saying ...........

"We will leave and respect the result but it can't be done this way as we've not planned for it".

Instead their just saying "No, we're stopping this and we want to Remain because!"

The current crop of MP's are going about this all wrong, unfit to Govern.

Shame on Leave MP's for not leading the negotiations and leaving this to a Remainer who has scuppered away her mandate on a BS "non-deal" deal, practically sabotage, and also shame on Remainer MP's for not respecting the referrendum result and ruling from self agenda and not the sovereignty of the people.

I have to admit, I think I blame Leave more ............ they caused this by not stepping up to lead, Remain were always going to Remain but Leave allowed Theresa May to squander their mandate.

Fk the lot of them tbh, this will cause constitutional issues between the people and the Government for the forseeable future.

Mark Twain once said ............ "If voting made a difference they wouldn't allow us to do it" how fkin true!!
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Re: British Politics

Postby Phil71 » Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:44 pm

Bercow looks like an alchie.
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Re: British Politics

Postby Royal Gooner » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:13 pm

Bercow's a Gooner too. But going against Commons practice and the advise of his clerks clearly shows he has disregarded the neutrality that his office requires of him. Plus if its true he's driving around with an anti-Brexit bumper sticker can still be seen to be showing he has a preference for one side. He ought to step down or at least excuse himself from any more Brexit debates.
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Re: British Politics

Postby DiamondGooner » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:32 pm

Royal Gooner wrote:Bercow's a Gooner too. But going against Commons practice and the advise of his clerks clearly shows he has disregarded the neutrality that his office requires of him. Plus if its true he's driving around with an anti-Brexit bumper sticker can still be seen to be showing he has a preference for one side. He ought to step down or at least excuse himself from any more Brexit debates.


He is def anti-brexit and it wouldn't surprise me if he's taken a bribe, the man is months away from retirement, what's to stop him interjecting?

The EU has billions and the fate of a Union of nations to lose here, don't think for one second they haven't "reached out" to people.

The thing is though again as I posted, its getting to the point of "So what?" yes he's over reached in impartiality but the behaviour of May trying to force fk her "non-deal" deal and the behaviour of Remainer' and Leaver's .......... none of these 3 are going to win anyway, however Remain is clearly pushing ahead now, May had a mandate to control them and she tore it up with Chequer's, she lost all her support from both camps.
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Re: British Politics

Postby EliteKiller » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:41 am

Bercow has breached the sanctity of impartiality that's been a bedrock for UK parliament Speakers for decades if not centuries. The subject matter doesn't really matter it's the principle.

A speaker is elected by the house to be an impartial arbiter of the rules, whatever political belief that Speaker holds that has always been put aside when undertaking the role of Speaker, that is until today.

Can understand politically why Bercow has done what he did, but he's put us on the slippery slope, almost certainly going forward the party in power will now appoint a Speaker biased in their favour and he will be expected (just like the fecked up US system) to support only his own side.

Bercow has always been a bit of a t**t, but today he's done the whole UK democratic process a massive disservice ... sad day
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Re: British Politics

Postby LMAO » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:10 am

EliteKiller wrote:Can understand politically why Bercow has done what he did, but he's put us on the slippery slope, almost certainly going forward the party in power will now appoint a Speaker biased in their favour and he will be expected (just like the fecked up US system) to support only his own side.


How is our system f***ked up? Our Speaker and your Speaker aren't the same position. Our Speaker is more analogous with your PM, at least domestically.
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Re: British Politics

Postby UFGN » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:25 am

It's hardly new nor especially notable that people on one side of a debate question a decision of the Speaker

For the benefit of our non British members, the Speaker is an MP but resigns from his Party after being elected. Bercow is originally a Tory

This particular Speaker has faced constant criticism from Tories, which is ultimately because he doesn't favour the Tories

It seems bias is expected and demanded when it suits, and perceived bias is raged against by exactly the same people if it's not in their favour

I'm not a fan of Bercow, but you simply can't question his knowledge of Parliament and procedure

The next Speaker by convention will be from Labour. Bring on Deputy Speaker Hoyle.... I might start watching Parliamentary debates if he gets the top job
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