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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Sims » Sun Nov 11, 2018 12:45 pm

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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Pudpop » Sun Nov 11, 2018 12:49 pm

Yeah but where's the proof?
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Sims » Sun Nov 11, 2018 12:54 pm

Pudpop wrote:Yeah but where's the proof?


Thomas Müller & Toni Kroos said they’ve never experienced racism so it mustn’t exist
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby DiamondGooner » Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:30 pm

Pudpop wrote:Yeah but where's the proof?


I know, we're all still waiting.

Personally I think Mesut is just overreacting ................

Nothing to see here lets all just ignore it. :shifty:
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Marsbar100 » Sun Nov 11, 2018 10:38 pm

Results were much better with him out wide, midfield control is lacking now, this will ruin Emery if he persists, put him back wide get Ramsey back in to try and get control of midfield.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby SuperJackyWilshere » Sun Nov 11, 2018 10:45 pm

Please stop pretending like putting Ramsey back in is going to work lol
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby EliteKiller » Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:33 am

Marsbar100 wrote:Results were much better with him out wide, midfield control is lacking now, this will ruin Emery if he persists, put him back wide get Ramsey back in to try and get control of midfield.


Sorry but that's a credibility fail right there ... if we are going to persist with Ozil, and we must, it has to be in the middle ....
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby LMAO » Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:01 am

SuperJackyWilshere wrote:Please stop pretending like putting Ramsey back in is going to work lol
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Marsbar100 » Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:24 am

4-3-3 will be a better midfield for control, it's got far more chance of working than what we currently have
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby theHotHead » Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:21 am

Marsbar, Ozil has played his best football as a CM and was shit for both Germany and Arsenal out wide.

You don't play Ozil out wide, you play him in the centre.

The problem with our midfield is for Ozil to be released to do what he does Torreira can't be doing the job of 2 players, Xhaka is a half player and Guendouzi isn't quite ready or disciplined.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Marsbar100 » Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:02 am

theHotHead wrote:Marsbar, Ozil has played his best football as a CM and was shit for both Germany and Arsenal out wide.

You don't play Ozil out wide, you play him in the centre.

The problem with our midfield is for Ozil to be released to do what he does Torreira can't be doing the job of 2 players, Xhaka is a half player and Guendouzi isn't quite ready or disciplined.

I am not a massive fan of him out wide but Germany did win the world cup with him out wide so it was hardly tragic.

If we aren't getting him into the game enough it doesn't matter how much potential he has as a 10.

Long term ozil at 10 with the right players might be fine but atm I think putting him out wide now is the best option.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby DiamondGooner » Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:47 am

Marsbar100 wrote:Results were much better with him out wide, midfield control is lacking now, this will ruin Emery if he persists, put him back wide get Ramsey back in to try and get control of midfield.


Urhhgh hemm Liverpool cough* cough*

Anyway, this has no basis behind it just pure agenda so I can't take this seriously.

Fact is Ozil gets raped by wingers out wide and we tried playing Ozil and Ramsey together earlier on in the season and Emery quickly realized they cancel each other out as they occupy the same space.

Out wide we need direct wing play, Ozil doesn't offer that, in fact Ramsey would offer more out wide than Ozil.

Leicester etc all of Ozil's best performances have come from him central, with Ramsey you play one or the other, we don't need two CAM's.

............ and to be honest, instead of dissing Ozil to justify Ramsey, why don't you point to us bar the goal at Fulham (which Ozil equaled at Leicester) where these amazing Ramsey performances are that justify him starting over Ozil?

Because so far against Lisbon, Wolves etc either when he starts or comes on as an impact player, he's doing jack sh*t.

There's not one performance in recent memory worth grading more than a 6/10.

............ to top it off he's leaving so is not the future of this club.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Marsbar100 » Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:46 pm

DiamondGooner wrote:
Marsbar100 wrote:Results were much better with him out wide, midfield control is lacking now, this will ruin Emery if he persists, put him back wide get Ramsey back in to try and get control of midfield.


Urhhgh hemm Liverpool cough* cough*

Anyway, this has no basis behind it just pure agenda so I can't take this seriously.

Fact is Ozil gets raped by wingers out wide and we tried playing Ozil and Ramsey together earlier on in the season and Emery quickly realized they cancel each other out as they occupy the same space.

Out wide we need direct wing play, Ozil doesn't offer that, in fact Ramsey would offer more out wide than Ozil.

Leicester etc all of Ozil's best performances have come from him central, with Ramsey you play one or the other, we don't need two CAM's.

............ and to be honest, instead of dissing Ozil to justify Ramsey, why don't you point to us bar the goal at Fulham (which Ozil equaled at Leicester) where these amazing Ramsey performances are that justify him starting over Ozil?

Because so far against Lisbon, Wolves etc either when he starts or comes on as an impact player, he's doing jack sh*t.

There's not one performance in recent memory worth grading more than a 6/10.

............ to top it off he's leaving so is not the future of this club.

Not dissing ozil to jusitify Ramsey, point is he can be the best 10 in the world if he doesn't get in the game it's void, we was good against Liverpool in terms of fight but it was a draw against a Liverpool side that was under par, the quality is lacking offensively atm, the performance against wolves proves that.

He played Ramsey and ozil all wrong together, he played Ramsey as a 10, this nulifies Ramsey's strengths completely, he doesn't have the skill back to goal for it and as you point out he just got in the way of ozil.

Ramsey shouldn't be expected to do anything like blitz a team, his role should be work hard, stop counters, bring the ball forward into better players and if he can make some late runs and cause trouble in the final 3rd it's a bonus.

When ozil got blitzed by full name, torreria wasn't really in the team then and if we play a 4-3-3 instead of a 4-2-3-1 we should have an extra man to cover him, ozil can still play central when we are on the ball.

I agree we need width but we simply don't have it ATM apart from through full backs so it doesn't matter with ozil out wide, until we get wingers we have to make do with what we have.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby theHotHead » Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:50 pm

Marsbar100 wrote:
theHotHead wrote:Marsbar, Ozil has played his best football as a CM and was shit for both Germany and Arsenal out wide.

You don't play Ozil out wide, you play him in the centre.

The problem with our midfield is for Ozil to be released to do what he does Torreira can't be doing the job of 2 players, Xhaka is a half player and Guendouzi isn't quite ready or disciplined.

I am not a massive fan of him out wide but Germany did win the world cup with him out wide so it was hardly tragic.

If we aren't getting him into the game enough it doesn't matter how much potential he has as a 10.

Long term ozil at 10 with the right players might be fine but atm I think putting him out wide now is the best option.

If you are going to play Ozil out wide you are better off not playing him at all, he is less than useless there. Germany got away with it because a) he wasn't just stuck out wide and b) Germany had much better players than Arsenal so were able to absorb Ozil's ineffectiveness out wide. The fact that Low so desperately wanted Ozil in the side that he marginalised his role just to shoehorn him in tells you all you need to know about Ozil's talent.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Angelito » Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:26 pm

4-3-1-2 is the solution.

Xhaka - Torreira - Ramsey
Ozil
Laca - Auba


There's no guarantee that this will work, but it's the best system, on paper, for the players we have. 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 won't work for us because we don't have wingers, and Xhaka is a liability defensively.

We also need someone like Modric or Rakitic in the middle alongside Torreira. To think City have the two Silvas, Gundogan, and KdB to fill their CM/advanced CM roles.. We will never be able to compete with that.
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