Leading 1-0 thanks to a goal from smith-Rowe
One two with John - jules
by starmandb » Wed Sep 12, 2018 6:54 pm
by Zenith » Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:30 am
by SuperJackyWilshere » Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:33 am
by UFGN » Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:52 am
by Phil71 » Thu Sep 13, 2018 11:02 am
SuperJackyWilshere wrote:Oh damn!
Wasn’t aware we entered this.
Quality little to tournament for our youth players
by UFGN » Thu Sep 13, 2018 11:09 am
Phil71 wrote:SuperJackyWilshere wrote:Oh damn!
Wasn’t aware we entered this.
Quality little to tournament for our youth players
Yeah absolutely.
Gives them a good taste of men's football.
Still not enough though IMO. Players are starting first team football much later than they were years back, and we find ourselves in a situation where 19 and 20 year olds have played comparatively few games against men. They earn so much money that loaning them out is too expensive for the loaning club. If a player is on £20k a week, and we ask for his wages to be paid, and include insurance & loan fees, that can total near on £2m for a one year loan that a club one or two divisions down to pay. Out of their range.
Something has to be done to give these players more proper playing time. Entering competitions like this is a start, but i think we might have to consider the continental option of having a B team permanently competing in a lower league.
by Phil71 » Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:45 pm
UFGN wrote:Phil71 wrote:SuperJackyWilshere wrote:Oh damn!
Wasn’t aware we entered this.
Quality little to tournament for our youth players
Yeah absolutely.
Gives them a good taste of men's football.
Still not enough though IMO. Players are starting first team football much later than they were years back, and we find ourselves in a situation where 19 and 20 year olds have played comparatively few games against men. They earn so much money that loaning them out is too expensive for the loaning club. If a player is on £20k a week, and we ask for his wages to be paid, and include insurance & loan fees, that can total near on £2m for a one year loan that a club one or two divisions down to pay. Out of their range.
Something has to be done to give these players more proper playing time. Entering competitions like this is a start, but i think we might have to consider the continental option of having a B team permanently competing in a lower league.
B teams are terrible because each one displaces an entire football club from the football league. It's bad for the sport and for the integrity of league competitions
In the bigger picture it also reduces the chances of youngsters to make it in football. For each club that loses its league status to an Arsenal B or a Chelsea B, thats a whole fiotball club that cant afford to maintain an academy because they're now fighting for survival.
Loaning players more extensively is the only solution.
by Phil71 » Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:57 pm
Ach wrote:Do what the Spanish do
by Ach » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:15 pm
Phil71 wrote:Ach wrote:Do what the Spanish do
You mean the B team idea? I've suggested that. It's used in lots of other leagues around Europe.
I must admit though, that in hindsight I do agree with UFGN about it devaluing the leagues. For instance, Arsenal or whomever might choose to put out a team with five novices to see how they perform. So if two teams are competing for promotion, or against relegation, and we choose to mess around with our team when we play one of them, it loses all integrity.
Not sure what the solution is.
by UFGN » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:20 pm
Ach wrote:Phil71 wrote:Ach wrote:Do what the Spanish do
You mean the B team idea? I've suggested that. It's used in lots of other leagues around Europe.
I must admit though, that in hindsight I do agree with UFGN about it devaluing the leagues. For instance, Arsenal or whomever might choose to put out a team with five novices to see how they perform. So if two teams are competing for promotion, or against relegation, and we choose to mess around with our team when we play one of them, it loses all integrity.
Not sure what the solution is.
Arsenal comes first
I for one don't care about lower league football. One match v our B team wont settle promotion or relegation for any club. They have 45 other matches
by Zenith » Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:30 pm
Phil71 wrote:They earn so much money that loaning them out is too expensive for the loaning club. If a player is on £20k a week, and we ask for his wages to be paid, and include insurance & loan fees, that can total near on £2m for a one year loan that a club one or two divisions down to pay. Out of their range.
by Phil71 » Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:34 pm
Zenith wrote:Phil71 wrote:They earn so much money that loaning them out is too expensive for the loaning club. If a player is on £20k a week, and we ask for his wages to be paid, and include insurance & loan fees, that can total near on £2m for a one year loan that a club one or two divisions down to pay. Out of their range.
Chuba was on a £15k/week salary at Arsenal when he joined STVV on loan.
For reference the average STVV player earns roughly 10 times less than that.
It's a non-issue if parent club is willing to continue to cover the wages of the player.
Plus the parent club often receives a loan fee from the club who are interested in the player's services.