by theHotHead » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:55 pm
by #ST » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:06 pm
by GoonerAlexandre » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:53 pm
theHotHead wrote:I don't think that is the widely used general understanding/meaning of a "luxury player"
by DiamondGooner » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:13 pm
by ronniec » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:00 pm
DiamondGooner wrote:To me luxury player means = A player who offers lots of creativity, high level skill, looks good while doing it .......... but not much else.
No tracking back, no tackles, no man marking, not lots of ground being covered.
Flair players often have these tendencies not to do that, we don't count strikers because of where they play, but midfielders are usually required to do the above unless they are a pure CAM and the manager isn't a dim wit who doesn't have CM's to cover them (like Wenger doesn't).
I've always considered Bergkamp a luxury player.
Ronnierec where I don't think your on the same page as mine and Hotheads description is that you think we mean luxury as in "excess to requirements" well that's not my definition ............
A Ferrari is a luxury, a Ford Focus is not, yes the argument is if you just need to get around then the Ferrari is an expensive luxury, unless ............ your in a competitive race, then the Ferrari isn't a luxury, its a better made, faster car that all of a sudden isn't just a stylish good looking ride, its now a required front runner in a drag race because of that excess performance.
That is not the same as saying its all style and no substance and not needed.
Only people who don't think we're in a competitive race think luxury players are not necessary.
Barcelona is full of luxury players, they seem to do ok.
........... I do agree though, his detractors are using that term to create the narrative that players like that aren't needed so it would be probably better to not use the term.
by Andrew » Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:51 pm
by GoonerAlexandre » Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:53 pm
by ALLCAPS_ » Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:55 pm
by Andrew » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:03 pm
ALLCAPS_ wrote:Tbh the ozil work ethic thing is a bit weird to me. How many goals have we directly conceeded due to his lack of effort?
People follow this sky sports narrative so consistently that we never challange it? I cant really think of any instances where he is directly to blame for the tide turning or conceeding goals? I'd need some examples there.
by Andrew » Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:12 pm
Sims wrote:andrew just hates muslims tbf
by Losmeister » Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:25 pm
by ronniec » Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:34 pm
by EliteKiller » Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:48 am
Andrew wrote:ALLCAPS_ wrote:Tbh the ozil work ethic thing is a bit weird to me. How many goals have we directly conceeded due to his lack of effort?
People follow this sky sports narrative so consistently that we never challange it? I cant really think of any instances where he is directly to blame for the tide turning or conceeding goals? I'd need some examples there.
Haven't watched many games this season have you?
There are countless examples of us conceding after he or xhaka gifted the ball to the opponent.
by theHotHead » Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:20 am
ALLCAPS_ wrote:Tbh the ozil work ethic thing is a bit weird to me. How many goals have we directly conceeded due to his lack of effort?
People follow this sky sports narrative so consistently that we never challange it? I cant really think of any instances where he is directly to blame for the tide turning or conceeding goals? I'd need some examples there.