99 United vs vs 04 Arsenal vs. 05 Chelsea vs. 18 City

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'99 United
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'04 Arsenal
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'05 Chelsea
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'18 City
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Re: 99 United vs vs 04 Arsenal vs. 05 Chelsea vs. 18 City

Postby Va-Va-Voom » Mon May 07, 2018 6:12 pm

Tony_Adams wrote:The thing is, the other two teams went on to win the league the season after too. Went on to dominate. It is criminal that we didn’t build on the invincibles and go on to dominate. Even with the stadium debt we didn’t need to sell them off so quickly.


People forget that we bottled the title in 2003, the season before the Invincibles.

We were 8 points clear at the top in March, ended up 5 points behind United.

That is a shambolic collapse.
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Re: 99 United vs vs 04 Arsenal vs. 05 Chelsea vs. 18 City

Postby Ach » Mon May 07, 2018 6:16 pm

Va-Va-Voom wrote:
Tony_Adams wrote:The thing is, the other two teams went on to win the league the season after too. Went on to dominate. It is criminal that we didn’t build on the invincibles and go on to dominate. Even with the stadium debt we didn’t need to sell them off so quickly.


People forget that we bottled the title in 2003, the season before the Invincibles.

We were 8 points clear at the top in March, ended up 5 points behind United.

That is a shambolic collapse.

Even in that era you could see signs of a soft underbelly but was masked over by the wins and thus ignored

And then it came to the core and Wenger gave up managing and decided to become an accountant
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Re: 99 United vs vs 04 Arsenal vs. 05 Chelsea vs. 18 City

Postby Zedie » Mon May 07, 2018 6:38 pm

LMAO wrote:For PL:
Arsenal = City* > Chelsea >> United

For all competitions:
United >> Arsenal > Chelsea = City

*This is assuming City reaches 100 points.

A treble trumps all (other than a quadruple obviously but no one has achieved that), and a triple digit point total can be as impressive as an undefeated season.

To anyone who believes the Invincibles will always be the GOAT because of zero losses, I ask a hypothetical: Is 26-12-0 more impressive than 37-0-1? If your answer is yes, then is 0-38-0 also more impressive? At what point does being undefeated become the paragon?


38 points means you could potentially be relegated at the end of the season. Hardly impressive.

One loss is still a loss as someone has bested you along the way.

No losses in a single season, securing the title and beating arguably one of the most expensive teams with the GOAT manager at the helm is special no matter how you look at it.
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Re: 99 United vs vs 04 Arsenal vs. 05 Chelsea vs. 18 City

Postby Zedie » Mon May 07, 2018 6:44 pm

Also, sorry to rain on people's parades, but the other two achievements ie the treble and record points tallies took billions of pounds of investment across the 3 other teams involved in man u city and Chelsea.

Arsenal completed an unbeaten season on an absolute shoe string, there was no FM style unlimited coin hacks available to us.

That alone puts things into perspective for me and I don't think anyone should ignore that when considering.

Barca completing a treble this season isn't that surprising given the talent they have shipped in and the wads of cash thrown at it.

The invincible squad cost the same as a summer transfer window from the man u treble winning side.

That means something.
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Re: 99 United vs vs 04 Arsenal vs. 05 Chelsea vs. 18 City

Postby LegendaryKeown » Mon May 07, 2018 7:03 pm

Zedie wrote:Also, sorry to rain on people's parades, but the other two achievements ie the treble and record points tallies took billions of pounds of investment across the 3 other teams involved in man u city and Chelsea.

Arsenal completed an unbeaten season on an absolute shoe string, there was no FM style unlimited coin hacks available to us.

That alone puts things into perspective for me and I don't think anyone should ignore that when considering.

Barca completing a treble this season isn't that surprising given the talent they have shipped in and the wads of cash thrown at it.

The invincible squad cost the same as a summer transfer window from the man u treble winning side.

That means something.

Billions of pounds in the 1999 United team which featured the class of 1992?
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Re: 99 United vs vs 04 Arsenal vs. 05 Chelsea vs. 18 City

Postby Zedie » Mon May 07, 2018 7:19 pm

LegendaryKeown wrote:
Zedie wrote:Also, sorry to rain on people's parades, but the other two achievements ie the treble and record points tallies took billions of pounds of investment across the 3 other teams involved in man u city and Chelsea.

Arsenal completed an unbeaten season on an absolute shoe string, there was no FM style unlimited coin hacks available to us.

That alone puts things into perspective for me and I don't think anyone should ignore that when considering.

Barca completing a treble this season isn't that surprising given the talent they have shipped in and the wads of cash thrown at it.

The invincible squad cost the same as a summer transfer window from the man u treble winning side.

That means something.

Billions of pounds in the 1999 United team which featured the class of 1992?


Zedie wrote:billions of pounds of investment across the 3 other teams involved in man u city and Chelsea.


City and Chelsea into the billions to achieve what they have.

Man u multiple millions to get to a treble. Iirc they had Ferdinand at 30m at a time where 30m was unheard of plus more.

They did bring through a lot of home grown talent too, but the players outside of that were coming for world and/or league record breaking transfer fees at a time where everyone else was broke in comparison.

It's easy for people to dismiss, forget or just not understand how big an advantage they had back then. Even now, they still do only others have joined their table and they cant stand it.

That treble winning team wasn't some cobbled together band of misfits from around the international lower leagues.

The invincibles team however. I'd actually love to see the money spent figures for all clubs since the start of the prem, might help some put things into perspective.
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Re: 99 United vs vs 04 Arsenal vs. 05 Chelsea vs. 18 City

Postby LegendaryKeown » Mon May 07, 2018 7:22 pm

Zedie wrote:
LegendaryKeown wrote:
Zedie wrote:Also, sorry to rain on people's parades, but the other two achievements ie the treble and record points tallies took billions of pounds of investment across the 3 other teams involved in man u city and Chelsea.

Arsenal completed an unbeaten season on an absolute shoe string, there was no FM style unlimited coin hacks available to us.

That alone puts things into perspective for me and I don't think anyone should ignore that when considering.

Barca completing a treble this season isn't that surprising given the talent they have shipped in and the wads of cash thrown at it.

The invincible squad cost the same as a summer transfer window from the man u treble winning side.

That means something.

Billions of pounds in the 1999 United team which featured the class of 1992?


Zedie wrote:billions of pounds of investment across the 3 other teams involved in man u city and Chelsea.


City and Chelsea into the billions to achieve what they have.

Man u multiple millions to get to a treble. Iirc they had Ferdinand at 30m at a time where 30m was unheard of plus more.

They did bring through a lot of home grown talent too, but the players outside of that were coming for world and/or league record breaking transfer fees at a time where everyone else was broke in comparison.

It's easy for people to dismiss, forget or just not understand how big an advantage they had back then. Even now, they still do only others have joined their table and they cant stand it.

That treble winning team wasn't some cobbled together band of misfits from around the international lower leagues.

The invincibles team however. I'd actually love to see the money spent figures for all clubs since the start of the prem, might help some put things into perspective.


That makes some sense.

However, when you consider the Invincibles, it wasn't some genius lower league buys either. It was Wenger exploiting knowledge of a market no one else had, and so able to get players cheaper.

Technically, Man City have done the same, just that football is now so global that those same players will cost 50 million each instead of the cheap bargains Wenger managed to get. He was ahead of his time with his scouting.
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Re: 99 United vs vs 04 Arsenal vs. 05 Chelsea vs. 18 City

Postby Ach » Mon May 07, 2018 7:22 pm

Ferdinand was still at West Ham
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Re: 99 United vs vs 04 Arsenal vs. 05 Chelsea vs. 18 City

Postby Marsbar100 » Mon May 07, 2018 7:27 pm

Didn't united spent earnt money anyway?
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Re: 99 United vs vs 04 Arsenal vs. 05 Chelsea vs. 18 City

Postby Ach » Mon May 07, 2018 7:29 pm

Marsbar100 wrote:Didn't united spent earnt money anyway?

Yup

They spent what they earned

No problem with that

Putting them alongside City and Chelsea, dear god
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Re: 99 United vs vs 04 Arsenal vs. 05 Chelsea vs. 18 City

Postby starmandb » Mon May 07, 2018 8:06 pm

Va-Va-Voom wrote:
Tony_Adams wrote:The thing is, the other two teams went on to win the league the season after too. Went on to dominate. It is criminal that we didn’t build on the invincibles and go on to dominate. Even with the stadium debt we didn’t need to sell them off so quickly.


People forget that we bottled the title in 2003, the season before the Invincibles.

We were 8 points clear at the top in March, ended up 5 points behind United.

That is a shambolic collapse.

We were 2 points clear at the end of march
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Re: 99 United vs vs 04 Arsenal vs. 05 Chelsea vs. 18 City

Postby Va-Va-Voom » Mon May 07, 2018 8:11 pm

starmandb wrote:
Va-Va-Voom wrote:
Tony_Adams wrote:The thing is, the other two teams went on to win the league the season after too. Went on to dominate. It is criminal that we didn’t build on the invincibles and go on to dominate. Even with the stadium debt we didn’t need to sell them off so quickly.


People forget that we bottled the title in 2003, the season before the Invincibles.

We were 8 points clear at the top in March, ended up 5 points behind United.

That is a shambolic collapse.

We were 2 points clear at the end of march


I mean we finished 5 points behind United.
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Re: 99 United vs vs 04 Arsenal vs. 05 Chelsea vs. 18 City

Postby starmandb » Mon May 07, 2018 8:24 pm

Va-Va-Voom wrote:
starmandb wrote:
Va-Va-Voom wrote:
Tony_Adams wrote:The thing is, the other two teams went on to win the league the season after too. Went on to dominate. It is criminal that we didn’t build on the invincibles and go on to dominate. Even with the stadium debt we didn’t need to sell them off so quickly.


People forget that we bottled the title in 2003, the season before the Invincibles.

We were 8 points clear at the top in March, ended up 5 points behind United.

That is a shambolic collapse.

We were 2 points clear at the end of march


I mean we finished 5 points behind United.

Yes but we were not 8 points clear at the end of march it was 2
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Re: 99 United vs vs 04 Arsenal vs. 05 Chelsea vs. 18 City

Postby Ach » Mon May 07, 2018 8:27 pm

On 2nd March we were 8 points clear
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Re: 99 United vs vs 04 Arsenal vs. 05 Chelsea vs. 18 City

Postby Marsbar100 » Mon May 07, 2018 8:28 pm

It was a bottlejob
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