Liverpool F.C.

[CukiZeGerman]

https://www.facebook.com/fussball.trans ... 634020739/

[Pudpop]

Still jealous.

Now I have to hope for a manager that I really like to flop

[DJ X-Ray]

Klopp saying in his first press conference that he wants to play a "transition game". Even asked for the translation of the German word "Umschaltspiel" to describe a playing style that emphasises on the two transition phases. Tbf to him, there's actually no such word for that in the tactically inferior Premier League.

Since you've brought it up.

There was this interesting arcticle about the problems of the English game nearly a year ago on the portal spielverlagerung (in case someone isn't aware - it is a pretty good tactical analysis portal).

Anyway, this is the part of which I was reminded by your post

Schon einmal einen englischen Trainer in einer Pressekonferenz von mangelnder Kompaktheit, unpassenden Abständen im Pressing oder zu geringer Intensität im ballorientierten Verschieben reden hören? Und bei allem Respekt: Das sind Dinge, die Jürgen Klopp und Josep Guardiola beim Frühstücksplausch mit ihren Frauen besprechen.

to translate it a bit

have you ever heard of an English coach talking about lacking compactness, bad spacing in pressing or low intensity in ball oriented shifting in a press conference ? With all due respect: but those are things about which Jürgen Klopp and Josep Guardiola talk about with their wives at the breakfast table

full article - http://spielverlagerung.de/2014/11/18/e ... fussballs/

and there is also an English version of the portal in case anyone is interested

http://spielverlagerung.com/

Certainly is. Great website mate,thanks.

[Tony Montana]

We really really need to get Ancelotti before someone else does.

Pep will prolly be offered £20 million per year by Man City so he'll go there.

[Va-Va-Voom]

All out for Simeone.

@ Tony Montana

I agree, if Bayern fail in the CL again I think Pep will leave and join one of the Manc clubs.

[Angelito]

Simeone will move to Chelsea after Mou is sacked.

[KG3]

Just realise we ain't getting more than 2 points off Liverpool this season, we'll be lucky to get that second, really should have won the game at the Emirates.

[Angelito]

Klopp attacks, and when teams take it to us, we have as much chance of winning.

It's against vastly superior teams or parked buses that we seem to suffer the most. As it is, the PL top teams all have attack-oriented managers, except one. Will make for a great season.

[KG3]

Benteke will start scoring for fun now and Frimino will look like his bundesliga self.

[Angelito]

Have to say, Klopp to Liverpool is the biggest managerial import to the PL since Wenger joined us.

How can Klopp already be bigger than Mourinho (or even Benitez) without having even managed a single game? The ideas that Klopp is supposed to bring are just speculation at this point. Otherwise it'd be fair to say that Pep will be the biggest of them all when he takes over Man Utd next year.

Or are you talking about their reputation when they started managing in the PL? Then again Wenger was fairly unknown back then.

Well, I didn't talk about accomplishments, no?

Mourinho came to the billion-dollar-baby. Klopp, like Wenger, is going to team that has history, yet are under-performers right now. Of course, there's every chance, he might fail, but as it stands, he's bringing his philosophy to the club and to English football. Mou man couldn't do that, could he?

And, agreed about Pep. He'll be THE import if he comes to the PL.

Chelsea have been criticised for being too defensive-minded by Southampton boss Ronald Koeman, who thinks Jose Mourinho should teach “fantastic football” like Arsene Wenger has Arsenal playing.

The Saints piled additional misery on Mourinho's men when they triumphed 3-1 at Stamford Bridge last weekend, leaving the Blues rooted fifth-from-bottom in the Premier League after eight games.

Koeman believes Chelsea's tactical approach of retreating after taking the lead rather than going for the opposition's jugular doesn't work in their favour, and hit out at Mourinho for relentlessly moaning about officiating.

"Chelsea prefer to defend when attacking is also an option," he is quoted as saying in the Sunday Mirror.

"Mourinho always chooses to defend. Even if his team goes 1-0 up, they would rather defend their lead than try to score more goals.

"Yet Arsenal can kill an opponent. That is why their victory against Manchester United was so impressive.

"Attacking-wise, they completely destroyed United. For 20 minutes, they played the most fantastic football, while Chelsea do the opposite thing.

"By defending, Chelsea give their opponent a chance to come back in the game. It was a shame that Mourinho was putting attention on the referee after we beat them.

"He wanted to have a penalty in the first half. But, in the first half at Stamford Bridge, Southampton should have had two penalties."

Chelsea defeated Arsenal 2-0 in September – one of only two wins so far in the league this campaign – as Mourinho's verbal feud with Gunners boss Wenger continued.

Arsenal are second Manchester City in the table and have 16 points compared to Chelsea's eight in 2015-16, though their Champions League fortunes are considerably more dire than their London rivals.

While Chelsea are one point off the top of their standings in Europe, Arsenal have lost successive games against Dinamo Zagreb and Olympiacos ahead of back-to-back clashes with Bayern Munich, leaving them perilously placed.

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/pre ... ID=HP_HN_1

Awww, despite ZERO European trophies, still garners more respect than European tycoon and arguably the most accomplishing manager today...

[GoonerAlexandre]

Just realise we ain't getting more than 2 points off Liverpool this season, we'll be lucky to get that second, really should have won the game at the Emirates.

We've beat Klopp more than he's beat us

And that was against a superior BVB team

[JoseMourinho]

Mourinho came to the billion-dollar-baby. Klopp, like Wenger, is going to team that has history, yet are under-performers right now. Of course, there's every chance, he might fail, but as it stands, he's bringing his philosophy to the club and to English football. Mou man couldn't do that, could he?

Jose did well to bring his philosophy to the PL. Chelsea had a distinctive style of play during the last 10 years which in large part was due to him and the core of players he established. Philosophy does not equal playing attacking football. Mou's philosophy is all about winning and he gave Chelsea just that. If anything, Chelsea might be the only club he's actually done that.

[Va-Va-Voom]

Mourinho came to the billion-dollar-baby. Klopp, like Wenger, is going to team that has history, yet are under-performers right now. Of course, there's every chance, he might fail, but as it stands, he's bringing his philosophy to the club and to English football. Mou man couldn't do that, could he?

Jose did well to bring his philosophy to the PL. Chelsea had a distinctive style of play during the last 10 years which in large part was due to him and the core of players he established. Philosophy does not equal playing attacking football. Mou's philosophy is all about winning and he gave Chelsea just that. If anything, Chelsea might be the only club he's actually done that.

Chelsea are famed for their anti-football. Safe to say Mourinho gave them that - I've never heard anyone praise Chelsea's style of play.

[Angelito]

Mourinho came to the billion-dollar-baby. Klopp, like Wenger, is going to team that has history, yet are under-performers right now. Of course, there's every chance, he might fail, but as it stands, he's bringing his philosophy to the club and to English football. Mou man couldn't do that, could he?

Jose did well to bring his philosophy to the PL. Chelsea had a distinctive style of play during the last 10 years which in large part was due to him and the core of players he established. Philosophy does not equal playing attacking football. Mou's philosophy is all about winning and he gave Chelsea just that. If anything, Chelsea might be the only club he's actually done that.

If spending millions and parking the bus is a philosophy, sure. Chelsea's successes are down to Abramovich - more than Mou. The spine - Cech, Lampard, Terry, and Drogba - were bought/came to Chelsea before Mourinho. Drogba signed the same summer as Mourinho came to Chelsea. And, Cech to Chelsea was already finalized when Ranieri was there. So, you could suppose, that Chelsea's spine that culminated in the CL win was already there before Mou took over.

It's something people tend to overlook.

I'm not going to get down into another Mou discussion. My original post related to English football and for English footy, Mou hasn't done as much as Wenger and SAF have. Klopp comes into this discussion because he's now at 'Pool - not a club bankrolled by its owner - and promises to bring forward a style to Liverpool and of course, the PL.

Honestly, we can credit Mou for the CL win of Chelsea in 2012 as much as we want. It's all fantasy. I know some already contribute Real's CL success to him too. Strange considering he wasn't the manager on both instances and in both clubs - Real and Chelsea - the prez and owner call the shots in a more hands-on manner.

Unless somebody educates me that Mou bought all of Chelsea's spine that has been large part of Chelsea's successes, it doesn't hold any water. Mind you, this is the same manager who fled the scene immediately after losing the League title in both occasions (Chelsea and Real). But whatever is convenient, right?

[JoseMourinho]

If spending millions and parking the bus is a philosophy, sure. Chelsea's successes are down to Abramovich - more than Mou. The spine - Cech, Lampard, Terry, and Drogba - were bought/came to Chelsea before Mourinho. Drogba signed the same summer as Mourinho came to Chelsea. And, Cech to Chelsea was already finalized when Ranieri was there. So, you could suppose, that Chelsea's spine that culminated in the CL win was already there before Mou took over.

Drogba came after Mourinho took over. Let's not pretend he was bought before. Terry and Lampard were hardly world beaters either before that. Jose might not have bought them, but made all of them the players they are.

As for Cech, who was the one who gave him the confidence and trust from day one and played him instead of the more proven and experienced Cudicini? Mourinho was a huge reason for Cech to become the best goalkeeper at the time. I don't think every manager would've done that.

Or to use another example: The core of Xavi, Iniesta and Messi were already at the club when Pep took over. Still, he was the one who made the GOAT trio happen. Not Rijkaard, van Gaal or any other manager.