English Premier League ~ Season 2015/2016

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Who will win the EPL 2015/2016?

Poll ended at Thu Sep 03, 2015 7:50 am

A.F.C. Bournemouth
8
10%
Arsenal
30
36%
Chelsea
14
17%
Everton
1
1%
Liverpool
0
No votes
Manchester City
27
32%
Manchester United
2
2%
Tottenham Hotspur (Lolz again)
1
1%
Other
1
1%
 
Total votes : 84

Re: English Premier League ~ Season 2015/2016

Postby Apollo » Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:20 pm

elkanofan wrote:
Maradonaitis wrote:
Tony_Adams wrote:We're two players away from a title winning squad now,!

that means absolutely nothing.
the market is the last place you go to resolve an issue.
we are not 2 players away from anything, we are already a definite contender for the title.
We need an extra body in midfield.
An elite striker is a dream
we can do it without the striker, its going to be harder but not impossible.
we can do it without the midfielder it's going to be harder but not impossible.
if we are the better team we are going to win it.
from january till now we showed we are the better team.


Thank you, for this, thank you so much

There a serious negative mentality problem with England in general.

'Two player away from winning' England has become so obsessed with buying their way out of trouble, its totally forgotten how a club is built from within, how important tit is for squad chemistry and developing the players you have.

What has the emergence of Coquelin taught us all!

We also seem to be slow in seeing the big issue and big shift in football. What Chelsea have done along with City is totally ruin the football market which has so conveniently coincided with the heavy downfall of player quality. But you still see these ignorant fools claim City will be unstoppable if they buy two massively overrated players in Pogba and Sterling along with Kevin DeBruyne, who is a very good player who had a good season but, no he's not Zidane! City and Chelsea built their castles at times when get received a crazy amount f money and had so many World Class and top class players available to buy. But now, partly thanks to them buying layers for stupid prices, their karma is coming back to bite them, the market is heavily inflated and the talent is half, not even a quarter as good. and Oh Dear, their players are getting old and need to revamp the entire squad?

Something Wenger showed so well last season was his biggest strength as a manager, how he gets the team to get on with eachover on and off the pitch so harmoniously! Something we massively take for granted! Even managers i think are better than Wenger find this hard! hast where my confidence lies.

I'd like us t get to players but i really not worried or fussed if we do or not and the smart thing is to bide our time and see who is available int he next 6 weeks. We have a very settled squad with great quality and enough at the very very least t mount a serious challenge. Not ONCE, lets not forget not even ONCE in the last 10 years! has our squad looked as strong as this going into the new season. Normally every rent a Journo is tipping us to finish 5th.


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Re: English Premier League ~ Season 2015/2016

Postby Maradonna » Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:21 pm

Gunpowder wrote:
Maradonaitis wrote:
Gunpowder wrote:
Maradonaitis wrote:
Gunpowder wrote:
Maradonaitis wrote:
Tony_Adams wrote:We're two players away from a title winning squad now,!

that means absolutely nothing.
the market is the last place you go to resolve an issue.
we are not 2 players away from anything, we are already a definite contender for the title.
We need an extra body in midfield.
An elite striker is a dream
we can do it without the striker, its going to be harder but not impossible.
we can do it without the midfielder it's going to be harder but not impossible.
if we are the better team we are going to win it.
from january till now we showed we are the better team.

We've always had those "good enough to win the title" runs. We lead a calendar year ffs, that is as big as sample size gets. We need those extra players to actually win it. We can challange it if everything goes well but they haven't so far. It would be stupid to assume that they will next season.

it would be stupid to think that if we did not bring Lets say Cavani and MS we are not going to win the league.


Obviously getting those type of players isn't going to make you a winner for sure but it would give better chance. That's the point of transfer seasons no? To get better in the short or long term or get money, depending on the clup's plans. We want to challange the league.

We need elite, we dont need depth.

Depends on position. DM we need both, if we find elite that's fine if we can't we need depth. ST we need elite but we could also do with Giroud level, Giroud is still the best striker we have and he tends to get tired and lose some form. He missed 3 months, came back firing and at the end of season he didn't do much. In GK we needed elite and figured it out. In defense we could do with elite even though I love our current back four+Debuchy.

giroud is good enough, we have walcott and welbeck as options, if elite does not become available i dont see us buying a striker, and i would be fain with it.
Midfielder is a different story, i want someone to bench coquelin, but that is even harder to obtain.
We need to figure out what is wilshere/ramsey role in the team, now that our left winger is alexis and due to balance reasons we like to play a passy tricky winger on one side and a midfielder who can go inside in the other, we would have to define what are the roles that they are going to play.
Lets see what wenger does, and how he resolve the situation.
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Re: English Premier League ~ Season 2015/2016

Postby Gooner_ESR10 » Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:23 pm

Good posts. You know that when the emergence of Coquelin has apparently taught several fans that we still need to go out and replace him with someone better, clearly the buy your way to the top mentality has seriously gotten to the head of many.
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Re: English Premier League ~ Season 2015/2016

Postby Arsenal Tone » Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:25 pm

Maradonaitis wrote:
Tony_Adams wrote:
Maradonaitis wrote:
Tony_Adams wrote:We're two players away from a title winning squad now,!

that means absolutely nothing.
the market is the last place you go to resolve an issue.
we are not 2 players away from anything, we are already a definite contender for the title.
We need an extra body in midfield.
An elite striker is a dream
we can do it without the striker, its going to be harder but not impossible.
we can do it without the midfielder it's going to be harder but not impossible.
if we are the better team we are going to win it.
from january till now we showed we are the better team.


If wenger decided to change the team to match the opponents, drill thhe defence and not be affraid to park the bus occasionally and have a plan b in attack them maybe. He won't though.

Manchester City away.


Exactly. If Wenger was prepared to do that all season then we 'could' win the league with the squad we've got (maybe needing cover for coq). But he isn't prepared to do that and we won't!
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Re: English Premier League ~ Season 2015/2016

Postby Maradonna » Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:27 pm

Tony_Adams wrote:
Maradonaitis wrote:
Tony_Adams wrote:
Maradonaitis wrote:
Tony_Adams wrote:We're two players away from a title winning squad now,!

that means absolutely nothing.
the market is the last place you go to resolve an issue.
we are not 2 players away from anything, we are already a definite contender for the title.
We need an extra body in midfield.
An elite striker is a dream
we can do it without the striker, its going to be harder but not impossible.
we can do it without the midfielder it's going to be harder but not impossible.
if we are the better team we are going to win it.
from january till now we showed we are the better team.


If wenger decided to change the team to match the opponents, drill thhe defence and not be affraid to park the bus occasionally and have a plan b in attack them maybe. He won't though.

Manchester City away.


Exactly. If Wenger was prepared to do that all season then we 'could' win the league with the squad we've got (maybe needing cover for coq). But he isn't prepared to do that and we won't!


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Re: English Premier League ~ Season 2015/2016

Postby Gunpowder » Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:29 pm

Maradonaitis wrote:
Gunpowder wrote:
Maradonaitis wrote:
Gunpowder wrote:
Maradonaitis wrote:
Gunpowder wrote:
Maradonaitis wrote:
Tony_Adams wrote:We're two players away from a title winning squad now,!

that means absolutely nothing.
the market is the last place you go to resolve an issue.
we are not 2 players away from anything, we are already a definite contender for the title.
We need an extra body in midfield.
An elite striker is a dream
we can do it without the striker, its going to be harder but not impossible.
we can do it without the midfielder it's going to be harder but not impossible.
if we are the better team we are going to win it.
from january till now we showed we are the better team.

We've always had those "good enough to win the title" runs. We lead a calendar year ffs, that is as big as sample size gets. We need those extra players to actually win it. We can challange it if everything goes well but they haven't so far. It would be stupid to assume that they will next season.

it would be stupid to think that if we did not bring Lets say Cavani and MS we are not going to win the league.


Obviously getting those type of players isn't going to make you a winner for sure but it would give better chance. That's the point of transfer seasons no? To get better in the short or long term or get money, depending on the clup's plans. We want to challange the league.

We need elite, we dont need depth.

Depends on position. DM we need both, if we find elite that's fine if we can't we need depth. ST we need elite but we could also do with Giroud level, Giroud is still the best striker we have and he tends to get tired and lose some form. He missed 3 months, came back firing and at the end of season he didn't do much. In GK we needed elite and figured it out. In defense we could do with elite even though I love our current back four+Debuchy.

giroud is good enough, we have walcott and welbeck as options, if elite does not become available i dont see us buying a striker, and i would be fain with it.
Midfielder is a different story, i want someone to bench coquelin, but that is even harder to obtain.
We need to figure out what is wilshere/ramsey role in the team, now that our left winger is alexis and due to balance reasons we like to play a passy tricky winger on one side and a midfielder who can go inside in the other, we would have to define what are the roles that they are going to play.
Lets see what wenger does, and how he resolve the situation.

Midfield is less complicated than that. Simple actually. Ramsey and Wilshere's roles doesn't matter for the transfer season, they're competing for RW and CM with Cazorla. They can't do what Coquelin does. No one in the team can. We don't need CM we don't need winger we don't need playmaker. We need someone who can cover our attacking CMs and protect the defenders. We could argue about his playing style but his role is defined.
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Re: English Premier League ~ Season 2015/2016

Postby Arsenal Tone » Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:30 pm

Maradonaitis wrote:
Tony_Adams wrote:
Maradonaitis wrote:
Tony_Adams wrote:
Maradonaitis wrote:
Tony_Adams wrote:We're two players away from a title winning squad now,!

that means absolutely nothing.
the market is the last place you go to resolve an issue.
we are not 2 players away from anything, we are already a definite contender for the title.
We need an extra body in midfield.
An elite striker is a dream
we can do it without the striker, its going to be harder but not impossible.
we can do it without the midfielder it's going to be harder but not impossible.
if we are the better team we are going to win it.
from january till now we showed we are the better team.


If wenger decided to change the team to match the opponents, drill thhe defence and not be affraid to park the bus occasionally and have a plan b in attack them maybe. He won't though.

Manchester City away.


Exactly. If Wenger was prepared to do that all season then we 'could' win the league with the squad we've got (maybe needing cover for coq). But he isn't prepared to do that and we won't!


in argentina we call "yesterday's newspaper" to what you are doing.
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In England we call it being realistic :cheers:
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White/Tomiyasu--Saliba/Timber--Gabriel/Kiwior--???/Zinchenko
???/Jorginho
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Re: English Premier League ~ Season 2015/2016

Postby GoonerAlexandre » Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:31 pm

There's only one team to my mind that can win this

Tottenham Hotspurs
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Re: English Premier League ~ Season 2015/2016

Postby Maradonna » Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:35 pm

Gunpowder wrote:
Maradonaitis wrote:
Gunpowder wrote:
Maradonaitis wrote:
Gunpowder wrote:
Maradonaitis wrote:
Gunpowder wrote:
Maradonaitis wrote:
Tony_Adams wrote:We're two players away from a title winning squad now,!

that means absolutely nothing.
the market is the last place you go to resolve an issue.
we are not 2 players away from anything, we are already a definite contender for the title.
We need an extra body in midfield.
An elite striker is a dream
we can do it without the striker, its going to be harder but not impossible.
we can do it without the midfielder it's going to be harder but not impossible.
if we are the better team we are going to win it.
from january till now we showed we are the better team.

We've always had those "good enough to win the title" runs. We lead a calendar year ffs, that is as big as sample size gets. We need those extra players to actually win it. We can challange it if everything goes well but they haven't so far. It would be stupid to assume that they will next season.

it would be stupid to think that if we did not bring Lets say Cavani and MS we are not going to win the league.


Obviously getting those type of players isn't going to make you a winner for sure but it would give better chance. That's the point of transfer seasons no? To get better in the short or long term or get money, depending on the clup's plans. We want to challange the league.

We need elite, we dont need depth.

Depends on position. DM we need both, if we find elite that's fine if we can't we need depth. ST we need elite but we could also do with Giroud level, Giroud is still the best striker we have and he tends to get tired and lose some form. He missed 3 months, came back firing and at the end of season he didn't do much. In GK we needed elite and figured it out. In defense we could do with elite even though I love our current back four+Debuchy.

giroud is good enough, we have walcott and welbeck as options, if elite does not become available i dont see us buying a striker, and i would be fain with it.
Midfielder is a different story, i want someone to bench coquelin, but that is even harder to obtain.
We need to figure out what is wilshere/ramsey role in the team, now that our left winger is alexis and due to balance reasons we like to play a passy tricky winger on one side and a midfielder who can go inside in the other, we would have to define what are the roles that they are going to play.
Lets see what wenger does, and how he resolve the situation.

Midfield is less complicated than that. Simple actually. Ramsey and Wilshere's roles doesn't matter for the transfer season, they're competing for RW and CM with Cazorla. They can't do what Coquelin does. No one in the team can. We don't need CM we don't need winger we don't need playmaker. We need someone who can cover our attacking CMs and protect the defenders. We could argue about his playing style but his role is defined.

Ramsey and Wilshere's roles are instrumental for the transfer season.
If we go for a Box to Box player we can play:
Wilshere/Cazorla
Ramsey- new guy

we can place coquelin on more closer games.
if we go for a dlp with good defensive skills we can play him both next to coquelin and without him.
Wilshere needs gametime, and cazorla is undroppable, so we need to know exactly what we need.
If we are going for a packed midfield (like beggining of last season) we need a box to box player.
If we are going for 4231 we still need an extra body.
I dont feel we need another coquelin, we need someone more versatile, more complete and who can give a good pass.
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Re: English Premier League ~ Season 2015/2016

Postby Arsenal~Fanatic » Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:36 pm

Now do we have to behave and spend like in immediate days after the Emirates' move?

Now do we have to behave and act like a club which will go bankrupt by paying over the odds for a couple of players?

The point here is the approach and mindset which needs to change with moving times. Yes the arrival of Ozil and Sanchez in successive windows is a sign of progress but the refusal of the club to go in to the season without a quality DM and CB cover in to the 2014-15 reminds of the adage- old habits die hard.

When we talk about players like Ibrahimovic people say he is too expensive to maintain while when it comes to Schneiderlin people label him average. Every possible excuse is meticulously prepared for a player Wenger overlooks or does not sign. Why isn't there a middle ground. Yes winning consecutive cups and signing the likes of Ozil/Sanchez/Cech is a step in the right direction but if we fail to sign a Striker/Combative holding mid it is a case of one step forward and two steps backwards.

Everyone is entitled to his/her point of view. For me this summer is the one for Wenger to demonstrate he is willing to put money where his mouth is. For him to show he is prepared to be ruthless and is willing to go over the odds if it means getting a player which suits our requirements. Now is not the time to question Wenger's ambition and the window is just about to open, so it would be unfair to judge him. let us see which holding player he signs who is better than Schneiderlin. Let us wait and watch if he gets even a half decent Striker to rotate/complement Giroud.

Come the end of the window if Wenger continues to come out with his usual BS we are accustomed to in transfer windows like '' The right players were not available for the right price'' or ''we only sign top quality players'' or blame FFP/world weather then i will question his ambition. He has plenty of time till the window shuts to demonstrate his seriousness and ambition. We may not have the money on the levels of Chelsea or City but we definitly have the money to comfortable buy the two players we need. I must admit one thing though that signing Cech is a brilliant thing and i hope Wenger does not baulk at putting money where his mouth is for the rest of the window.
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Re: English Premier League ~ Season 2015/2016

Postby Santi » Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:36 pm

Maradonaitis wrote:
elkanofan wrote:
Maradonaitis wrote:
Tony_Adams wrote:We're two players away from a title winning squad now,!

that means absolutely nothing.
the market is the last place you go to resolve an issue.
we are not 2 players away from anything, we are already a definite contender for the title.
We need an extra body in midfield.
An elite striker is a dream
we can do it without the striker, its going to be harder but not impossible.
we can do it without the midfielder it's going to be harder but not impossible.
if we are the better team we are going to win it.
from january till now we showed we are the better team.


Thank you, for this, thank you so much

There a serious negative mentality problem with England in general.

'Two player away from winning' England has become so obsessed with buying their way out of trouble, its totally forgotten how a club is built from within, how important tit is for squad chemistry and developing the players you have.

What has the emergence of Coquelin taught us all!

We also seem to be slow in seeing the big issue and big shift in football. What Chelsea have done along with City is totally ruin the football market which has so conveniently coincided with the heavy downfall of player quality. But you still see these ignorant fools claim City will be unstoppable if they buy two massively overrated players in Pogba and Sterling along with Kevin DeBruyne, who is a very good player who had a good season but, no he's not Zidane! City and Chelsea built their castles at times when get received a crazy amount f money and had so many World Class and top class players available to buy. But now, partly thanks to them buying layers for stupid prices, their karma is coming back to bite them, the market is heavily inflated and the talent is half, not even a quarter as good. and Oh Dear, their players are getting old and need to revamp the entire squad?

Something Wenger showed so well last season was his biggest strength as a manager, how he gets the team to get on with eachover on and off the pitch so harmoniously! Something we massively take for granted! Even managers i think are better than Wenger find this hard! hast where my confidence lies.

I'd like us t get to players but i really not worried or fussed if we do or not and the smart thing is to bide our time and see who is available int he next 6 weeks. We have a very settled squad with great quality and enough at the very very least t mount a serious challenge. Not ONCE, lets not forget not even ONCE in the last 10 years! has our squad looked as strong as this going into the new season. Normally every rent a Journo is tipping us to finish 5th.

good post buddy


Would be apart from again none of it has anything to do with us winning the title this season. There's never a massive overhaul required, the current team is of great quality but it's still weaker than our opponents and needs 2 holes filling, even with those filled it will take a very good season for us to win it, something which we have been incapable of for years. Last season, terrible 4 months, great from Jan. Season before, great start, won the stamina league, ended up 4th. Season before? Again crap start, wasn't it the worst under Wenger? Or at least it was before last year...did well again in second half of the season.

I don't see anything changing that say we can now do it for a full season? Chelsea had a small blip last year but still near enough matched us in our 'good patch' from January. City had a crap spell in the middle but still managed to pip us to second place. What inspires such confidence in you guys I just don't see it? I will be there supporting us to win every single game, you guys know it, it's not like i'm just talking out my arse for no reason and I knew it'd get a fiery response when I originally posted but still, I just can't see it. I want us to win the title as much as anyone and would happily eat my whole fuckin wardrobe if it happened, never mind just my hat. There is no reason we shouldn't support our lads and hope tehy can do it, I just expected a bit more realistic poll, then again I saw last seasons one when we had an even weaker team so not sure why I was surprised.
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Re: English Premier League ~ Season 2015/2016

Postby Santi » Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:43 pm

Btw from Jan:

Arsenal:
P19 Points 42

Chelsea:
P19 Points 41

And they were supposedly in average form? Whilst we were in good form? Even before we played against Chelsea themselves it was:
Arsenal:
P13 Points 33

Chelsea
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Re: English Premier League ~ Season 2015/2016

Postby Zedie » Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:50 pm

Mesüt wrote:Btw from Jan:

Arsenal:
P19 Points 42

Chelsea:
P19 Points 41

And they were supposedly in average form? Whilst we were in good form? Even before we played against Chelsea themselves it was:
Arsenal:
P13 Points 33

Chelsea
P13 Points 30


You watched the games. You saw how they struggled but still won (needing massive gifts on quite a few games).

You also saw some excellent form for that period and a nose dive right at the end when all was lost.

Why post points tallies and claim that they were neck and neck with our form?

You wouldn't be posting how well we were playing If we went through a patch scraping wins by the skin of our teeth, why do it for Chelsea?
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Re: English Premier League ~ Season 2015/2016

Postby Apollo » Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:53 pm

This is the Cavani is class/Chelsea were on form stats logic.

Our form was about how we were playing at the time and picking up points.

We know Chelsea were still picking up points albeit struggling.

There werent losing we were just the on fire team in the PL.
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Re: English Premier League ~ Season 2015/2016

Postby Santi » Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:54 pm

Zedie wrote:
Mesüt wrote:Btw from Jan:

Arsenal:
P19 Points 42

Chelsea:
P19 Points 41

And they were supposedly in average form? Whilst we were in good form? Even before we played against Chelsea themselves it was:
Arsenal:
P13 Points 33

Chelsea
P13 Points 30


You watched the games. You saw how they struggled but still won (needing massive gifts on quite a few games).

You also saw some excellent form for that period and a nose dive right at the end when all was lost.

Why post points tallies and claim that they were neck and neck with our form?

You wouldn't be posting how well we were playing If we went through a patch scraping wins by the skin of our teeth, why do it for Chelsea?


Where did I say they played well? Form is picking up points, something which we can't do over a whole season while they can ? :dontknow: :dontknow:
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