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Re: The Video Referee Debate

Postby Inchpräctice » Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:34 am

Fordy wrote:well lucky for me you dont get to make the dessions and im quite confident there is no chance of it been used anytime soon.

lucky for you?
Is that good?

No-one's making any dessions round here mate.

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Re: The Video Referee Debate

Postby Popey » Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:36 am

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Fordy wrote:I wouldnt have a issue with it been used for goal line decisions but everything else im dead against.

With over the line things a computer can work it out in a second so thats not a issue but things like penaultys look at the rooney one against you lot the video ref would have ruled it was a penaulty but you lot would still have had a mass debate saying they was wrong so what would have been the point.

I'm pretty sure that the 4th official wouldn't have given that as a pen because in slow mo you can clearly see Almunia pull his hands back and Rooney's leg go down before he makes any contact with Almunia.
When you see it from the 'behind the goal' angle it's an obvious dive.

Anyway I don't care if the ref gets it wrong occasionally even with the technology.
No-one said that the videos would remove 100% of all errors. As far as I'm concerned they'll still remove 80% of them and that's good enough for me.
It would still be much much better than it is now.


exactly. we will never have 100%. but they could help to improve.
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Re: The Video Referee Debate

Postby Yorkyblue » Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:57 am

It takes longer than you think to see if the ball crossed the line using technolagy. They use the same decision in Rugby League, going frame by frame to see if the ball has touched the line or not.

When you see it all on tv after the game it looks simple, but it takes much longer when the video ref is thrown on the spot. He can't just look at it and think yeah that's right. He has to be sure to get it right cos if he's wrong, he's going to look a right c*** and possibly lose his job. Which means he'll watch it over and over on many different angles.
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Re: The Video Referee Debate

Postby Inchpräctice » Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:45 am

Yorkyblue wrote:It takes longer than you think to see if the ball crossed the line using technolagy. They use the same decision in Rugby League, going frame by frame to see if the ball has touched the line or not.

When you see it all on tv after the game it looks simple, but it takes much longer when the video ref is thrown on the spot. He can't just look at it and think yeah that's right. He has to be sure to get it right cos if he's wrong, he's going to look a right **** and possibly lose his job. Which means he'll watch it over and over on many different angles.

Fair enough.

So presumably you're a rugby fan right? You watch a lot of rugby every week?
Would you rather they removed it from the game or would you rather keep it now that it's there?
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Re: The Video Referee Debate

Postby Yorkyblue » Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:50 am

Inchpractice wrote:
Yorkyblue wrote:It takes longer than you think to see if the ball crossed the line using technolagy. They use the same decision in Rugby League, going frame by frame to see if the ball has touched the line or not.

When you see it all on tv after the game it looks simple, but it takes much longer when the video ref is thrown on the spot. He can't just look at it and think yeah that's right. He has to be sure to get it right cos if he's wrong, he's going to look a right **** and possibly lose his job. Which means he'll watch it over and over on many different angles.

Fair enough.

So presumably you're a rugby fan right? You watch a lot of rugby every week?
Would you rather they removed it from the game or would you rather keep it now that it's there?


It's only there for sky games, so only 2 games a week have it. I'm never bothered about having it, if it's there it's there, if it's not it's not. When the sky screens are here, everypne spends all game moaning that the ref should be refering it to the video ref and it get's annoying listening to them moan. When it's not there people just get on with it. There isn't ever any talk of 'what if the video ref had of been here this week'.

One rule football should take from Rugby League is to put things on report instead of throwing cards around when you're not sure. If it's on report, it gets looked at after the game and the player can end up banned or fined if proven guilty.
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Re: The Video Referee Debate

Postby Inchpräctice » Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:17 am

Yorkyblue wrote:
Inchpractice wrote:
Yorkyblue wrote:It takes longer than you think to see if the ball crossed the line using technolagy. They use the same decision in Rugby League, going frame by frame to see if the ball has touched the line or not.

When you see it all on tv after the game it looks simple, but it takes much longer when the video ref is thrown on the spot. He can't just look at it and think yeah that's right. He has to be sure to get it right cos if he's wrong, he's going to look a right **** and possibly lose his job. Which means he'll watch it over and over on many different angles.

Fair enough.

So presumably you're a rugby fan right? You watch a lot of rugby every week?
Would you rather they removed it from the game or would you rather keep it now that it's there?


It's only there for sky games, so only 2 games a week have it. I'm never bothered about having it, if it's there it's there, if it's not it's not. When the sky screens are here, everypne spends all game moaning that the ref should be refering it to the video ref and it get's annoying listening to them moan. When it's not there people just get on with it. There isn't ever any talk of 'what if the video ref had of been here this week'.

One rule football should take from Rugby League is to put things on report instead of throwing cards around when you're not sure. If it's on report, it gets looked at after the game and the player can end up banned or fined if proven guilty.

2 games a week, that's odd.
I'm surpised that it was allowed to be implemented that way. Surely it should be all or nothing? :scratch:

The report thing seems like a good idea.
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Re: The Video Referee Debate

Postby Yorkyblue » Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:22 am

Inchpractice wrote:
Yorkyblue wrote:
Inchpractice wrote:
Yorkyblue wrote:It takes longer than you think to see if the ball crossed the line using technolagy. They use the same decision in Rugby League, going frame by frame to see if the ball has touched the line or not.

When you see it all on tv after the game it looks simple, but it takes much longer when the video ref is thrown on the spot. He can't just look at it and think yeah that's right. He has to be sure to get it right cos if he's wrong, he's going to look a right **** and possibly lose his job. Which means he'll watch it over and over on many different angles.

Fair enough.

So presumably you're a rugby fan right? You watch a lot of rugby every week?
Would you rather they removed it from the game or would you rather keep it now that it's there?


It's only there for sky games, so only 2 games a week have it. I'm never bothered about having it, if it's there it's there, if it's not it's not. When the sky screens are here, everypne spends all game moaning that the ref should be refering it to the video ref and it get's annoying listening to them moan. When it's not there people just get on with it. There isn't ever any talk of 'what if the video ref had of been here this week'.

One rule football should take from Rugby League is to put things on report instead of throwing cards around when you're not sure. If it's on report, it gets looked at after the game and the player can end up banned or fined if proven guilty.

2 games a week, that's odd.
I'm surpised that it was allowed to be implemented that way. Surely it should be all or nothing? :scratch:

The report thing seems like a good idea.


Exactly mate. The bigger teams like Leeds and St Helens are on TV (with video refs) more than the lesser teams like Celtic and Salford.
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Re: The Video Referee Debate

Postby CrimsonGunner11 » Fri Feb 19, 2016 2:52 pm

Wk 26 table, reports, results

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Saturday, February 13

Bournemouth 1-3 Stoke City (1-3) Referee: Graham Scott

Chelsea 5-1 Newcastle (5-1) Referee: Roger East

Crystal Palace 0-2 Watford (0-2) Referee: Robert Madley
Watford sure love him Madley after the ref penalises Palace skipper Jedinak for pulling down Deeney at a corner. Now, as Shearer rightly points out, these are never given even though it is a penalty – a category that Rob Madley currently tops among the boys in black. It is a penalty and HPL have been awarding these types all season, when the evidence is there for us to study. Rewind to Villa v Man Utd – Week 2.

Everton 0-1 West Brom (0-1) Referee: Michael Oliver

Norwich 2-2 West Ham (2-2) Referee: Mike Jones

Swansea 0-1 Southampton (0-1) Referee: Jonathan Moss
Why Pelle’s effort is disallowed early in second is unclear. Is it for a foul by the Italian striker or by Saints skipper Fonte heading the ball out of Fab’s hands? Who knows? Who cares? The Saints win anyway, making it nine hours without conceding in the process. Moss then waves away Swansea a penalty appeal for Yoshida’s clumsy challenge. Visiting boss Ronald Koeman admits: “We may have got lucky.’ Opposite number Francesco Guidolin only says: “I don’t like to talk about referees. It’s not part of my culture. “ Nor Match of the Day’s on this occasion.

Sunderland 2-1 Manchester United (2-1) Referee: Andre Marriner
Dermot Gallagher gets Marriner off the hook by ruling on SSNews HQ that the ref is right twice not to award a penalty for handball.

Sunday, February 14

Arsenal 2-1 Leicester City (2-1) Referee: Martin Atkinson
“He was a little severe with us,” says Claudio Ranieiri on the referee. Maybe, but he does award a penalty to the visitors, one which Arsenal counterpart Arsene Wenger suggests left his dressing room in a state of shock at half-time so harsh is it. Most pundits, from Stuart Pearce on TalkSPORT to Thierry and Jamie C. on Sky, reckon Vardy buys the foul from Monreal but that it is a penalty. Work that out, we can’t, but result stands. Ref’s call.

Aston Villa 0-6 Liverpool (0-6) Referee: Neil Swarbrick

Manchester City 1-2 Tottenham (1-1) Referee: Mark Clattenburg
The game begins with Niall Quinn singing Mark Clattenburg’s praises and inevitably ends with everyone pointing the finger at him over the Spurs penalty that never is. If Rose’s cross it does brush Sterling’s arm after hitting his chest it is still not ‘deliberate’ handball. Henry, Carragher and Quinny all stick the boot into Clattenburg for guessing when he clearly doesn’t know. I’d say one possible line of defence for Clattenburg is a ball bouncing that quickly off different parts of a body can play tricks on the eyes. Anyway, this title showdown ends in stalemate in HPL world.


Source: http://thehpl.net/wk-26-reports-results/

According to the above, if the PL had video referees like the NFL we would be top of the league right now. Probably makes a lot of assumptions but if accurate, the article is basically saying that Sp*rs, Leicester, Stoke and West Brom have benefited the most from referee decisions this season.
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Re: The Video Referee Debate

Postby Pudpop » Fri Feb 19, 2016 3:52 pm

I checked a few of those results. According to the website we would have lost to Pool as a video referee would have ruled out our first goal because of the head injury that happened before it.

Not the most accurate, I suspect there are a couple of other dubious calls in there
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Re: The Video Referee Debate

Postby Yago » Fri Feb 19, 2016 4:00 pm

yep, some obvious calls overlooked too, doesn't seem accurate
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