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Re: Manchester City

Postby Ach » Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:25 pm

Marsbar100 wrote:That game was anything but boring tbf, i would love to see arsenal back in the cl group stages

It was the only cl games we had that were worth watching tbh. Cos we always got through groups.

It's the knockouts that turned us to shit
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Re: Manchester City

Postby swipe right » Sat Sep 18, 2021 7:13 am

This entire episode only shows they are a small club. They built a great team, play stylish football, regulars in Europe, expanded thekr stadium, yet can’t fill seats. Sad really.
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Re: Manchester City

Postby Marsbar100 » Sat Sep 18, 2021 12:09 pm

Ach wrote:
Marsbar100 wrote:That game was anything but boring tbf, i would love to see arsenal back in the cl group stages

It was the only cl games we had that were worth watching tbh. Cos we always got through groups.

It's the knockouts that turned us to shit

True them bayern games were so bad
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Re: Manchester City

Postby Angelito » Sat Sep 18, 2021 6:30 pm

Ach wrote:
Marsbar100 wrote:That game was anything but boring tbf, i would love to see arsenal back in the cl group stages

It was the only cl games we had that were worth watching tbh. Cos we always got through groups.

It's the knockouts that turned us to shit


What's weird is the manner of our eliminations in the UCL since they restructured the competition with one group stage.

Lost to Bayern and Barcelona 4 times each (not counting the group stage loss). Were eliminated by defending champions Liverpool and finalists ManU. PSV beat us and the eventual champions went on to beat them. Finally, Monaco and Milan knocked us out.

We did have a series of tough luck in the UCL. There was a time when Real Madrid wouldn't face a major club until the SFs, whilst Arsenal would end up with the worst possible draw even if we topped the group.

We should have done better. There's no excusing that. Especially from '01 until '04. We could have made it to the semis or even the final with that team. That was a period of criminal underperformance.

Apart from that period, however, we were hard done. The Monaco result was a farce. That aside, we'd almost always end up with the toughest draws. Sometimes, you need luck to win this competition. We rarely had those strokes of luck.

Going further back, a club of our size never won the European Cup or even the UEFA Cup. We have two European trophies to our name. That's shambolic for a club like Arsenal. We're really doomed in European competitions. Even the mighty Emery couldn't win us the Europa League when he's the greatest manager in the tournament's history.
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Re: Manchester City

Postby Angelito » Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:42 pm



He really doesn't help himself, does he?

Southampton's starting XI cost lesser than what City paid for Grealish. These results are normal.

He has this victim-complex that really makes it hard to appreciate his philosophy.

The quote does make it look worse than it is. Nonetheless, Pep is a privileged manager. Ironically, he speaks like those ultra-privileged people who believe people wouldn't be poor if they had more money.

Imagine if he were at Arsenal during the transition years. He'd probably have cried.

The man is a fantastic manager. Issue is, everything City does is for PR. They care more about their "image" than the reality of the game.
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Re: Manchester City

Postby jayramfootball » Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:52 pm

Angelito wrote:

He really doesn't help himself, does he?

Southampton's starting XI cost lesser than what City paid for Grealish. These results are normal.

He has this victim-complex that really makes it hard to appreciate his philosophy.

The quote does make it look worse than it is. Nonetheless, Pep is a privileged manager. Ironically, he speaks like those ultra-privileged people who believe people wouldn't be poor if they had more money.

Imagine if he were at Arsenal during the transition years. He'd probably have cried.

The man is a fantastic manager. Issue is, everything City does is for PR. They care more about their "image" than the reality of the game.


When Pep actually does a real management job and succeeds I will call him a fantastic manager. Until then, he;s just an ex-player (a great one) given easy jobs in management that anyone with a good reputation in football could have done.

This was just one of those games that can occur in the PL - ANY team can win or take points from the best teams and it happens often.
He'd have been better off saying that.
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Re: Manchester City

Postby swipe right » Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:01 am

Angelito wrote:
Ach wrote:
Marsbar100 wrote:That game was anything but boring tbf, i would love to see arsenal back in the cl group stages

It was the only cl games we had that were worth watching tbh. Cos we always got through groups.

It's the knockouts that turned us to shit


What's weird is the manner of our eliminations in the UCL since they restructured the competition with one group stage.

Lost to Bayern and Barcelona 4 times each (not counting the group stage loss). Were eliminated by defending champions Liverpool and finalists ManU. PSV beat us and the eventual champions went on to beat them. Finally, Monaco and Milan knocked us out.

We did have a series of tough luck in the UCL. There was a time when Real Madrid wouldn't face a major club until the SFs, whilst Arsenal would end up with the worst possible draw even if we topped the group.

We should have done better. There's no excusing that. Especially from '01 until '04. We could have made it to the semis or even the final with that team. That was a period of criminal underperformance.

Apart from that period, however, we were hard done. The Monaco result was a farce. That aside, we'd almost always end up with the toughest draws. Sometimes, you need luck to win this competition. We rarely had those strokes of luck.

Going further back, a club of our size never won the European Cup or even the UEFA Cup. We have two European trophies to our name. That's shambolic for a club like Arsenal. We're really doomed in European competitions. Even the mighty Emery couldn't win us the Europa League when he's the greatest manager in the tournament's history.

We never had a chance in the CL after the invincibles. We didn’t take it seriously. We were playing Sanogo and Bendtner at times against the top teams in Europe. I think we gave Szczesny his European debut against Barcelona. It was never going to work. Bayern and Barca were stocked with top pros at the time. They toyed around with us. Even our tactics were wrong. We treated them like we treated Bolton going all gung ho and got punished time and time again. And yes there was some bad luck too along the way. But our preparation was all wrong.
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Re: Manchester City

Postby Arsenal Tone » Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:21 am

Not winning the CL with Campbell, Cole, Gilberto, Vieira, Pires, Bergkamp and Henry shows that Wenger was lacking in the tactical department imo
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Re: Manchester City

Postby Ach » Tue Nov 30, 2021 9:19 pm

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Re: Manchester City

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Re: Manchester City

Postby jayramfootball » Tue Dec 21, 2021 1:08 pm

Arsenal Tone wrote:Not winning the CL with Campbell, Cole, Gilberto, Vieira, Pires, Bergkamp and Henry shows that Wenger was lacking in the tactical department imo


I actually think this was the early indicators of the attitude problems that would come to the fore much more in Wenger's later years.
It's telling we never won titles back to back also.
I think the players mentally took their foot off the gas even in our glory years under Wenger.
That team should have won more.
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Re: Manchester City

Postby Arsenal Tone » Tue Dec 21, 2021 2:13 pm

jayramfootball wrote:
Arsenal Tone wrote:Not winning the CL with Campbell, Cole, Gilberto, Vieira, Pires, Bergkamp and Henry shows that Wenger was lacking in the tactical department imo


I actually think this was the early indicators of the attitude problems that would come to the fore much more in Wenger's later years.
It's telling we never won titles back to back also.
I think the players mentally took their foot off the gas even in our glory years under Wenger.
That team should have won more.
I put that down to Wenger refusing to do tactics. By that I mean not adapting the team for different opponents and only having one way of playing. He basically gave players freedom to express themselves which stopped the top players going on to the next level (at club level at least). If we were better organised we'd have won more titles and a Cl or two imo.
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Re: Manchester City

Postby Ach » Fri Dec 31, 2021 2:36 am

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Re: Manchester City

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Re: Manchester City

Postby Ach » Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:25 pm

Must be something in the water in Manchester
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