ICC World Cup 2011

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Re: ICC World Cup 2011

Postby Jay22 » Fri Apr 01, 2011 6:16 pm

Tests have better wickets which results in better contests. ODIs (not this WC) generally have batsman friendly wickets which has killed this format. The greatest ODI batsman were probably Bevan and Dean Jones. Are they considered great batsmen though? No, because they couldn't produce the same performances in the test arena.

You definitely have more time in tests and can afford to make more mistakes (specially bowlers), but you skills/temprament and not to mention your physical and mental ability is far more tested in tests.
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Re: ICC World Cup 2011

Postby Van The Man Persie » Fri Apr 01, 2011 6:23 pm

Im sure as a player, you'd rather succeed in Tests than in ODIs.

Im not a player though. I prefer entertainment in sport. Entertainment wise theres no debate.

When India won the 2007 T20 World Cup, it was brilliant. Never felt that way about winning a Test series.

In fact out of all the series ive seen in nearly 21 years, i think only 2 can be regarded as entertaining
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Re: ICC World Cup 2011

Postby Jay22 » Fri Apr 01, 2011 8:30 pm

Call me old fashioned then. There is nothing more entertaining that watching a batsman trying to play the new ball on a seaming pitch at Headingly, or a bouncy one at Perth. That will always be the real cricket for me.
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Re: ICC World Cup 2011

Postby SE13 » Fri Apr 01, 2011 9:10 pm

Call me old fashioned as well.... Test cricket is all about the thorough examination of each player, it's all about tactics, plans, traps and how to beat it all. Five days of mind over mind and being one step ahead.

ODI is slinging the ball down as fast as possible/with as much spin as possible against who can slog the ball harder. 20/20 is a faster version of that, and for all it's excitement, it's nothing like a decent test match - Only look to the last Ashes series as testament to that.

Jay22 wrote:There is nothing more entertaining that watching a batsman trying to play the new ball on a seaming pitch at Headingly, or a bouncy one at Perth. That will always be the real cricket for me.


Or a dodgy one in Jamaica!

To be true kings, you have to be able to crack India/Pakistan in those conditions, South Africa, Australia et al while dominating a game at Lords/Trent Bridge with their variety on home soil. What works at Old Trafford won't work at the SCG nor The Wanderers, a different challenge altogether at Bridgetown, then on to Eden Park. True kings of the sport are measured by those that can win matches in all of those conditions, and the list (although growing) isn't really that big - Very few teams have dominated, very few players have either.
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Re: ICC World Cup 2011

Postby Van The Man Persie » Fri Apr 01, 2011 9:31 pm

Werent the stadiums practically empty during the last Ashes series?

That was 2 poor sides going at it and fortunately Aussies were worse.

Anderson was found out at the world cup.

Having to bowl disciplined at a consistent line and length in the ODIs was too much for him. Hes suited to the bowl whereever you want environment of the Test world.

Dont get me wrong, i like Tests to a certain extent and it has its place in cricket but ask a kid who knows nothing of the sport but is thinking of getting in to it, what he'd prefer and limited overs game will win out most times cos lets be honest here, which one of us whilst playing cricket with mates, with the school whereever havent tried to slog it as often as possible? Thats how i played it and thats how i want to see it being played. Taking 100 balls to make 20 odds runs in Tests is not my cup of tea
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Re: ICC World Cup 2011

Postby Van The Man Persie » Sat Apr 02, 2011 10:49 am

SL won the toss and batted

86-2 off 21 overs

Both openers gone. Dont bother asking me to spell their names. Well Dilshan is simple enough.
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Re: ICC World Cup 2011

Postby Van The Man Persie » Sat Apr 02, 2011 11:15 am

122-3

Massive wicket of Sangakarra who was going well
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Re: ICC World Cup 2011

Postby Libertine » Sat Apr 02, 2011 11:18 am

Van The Man Persie wrote:Werent the stadiums practically empty during the last Ashes series?


no.
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Re: ICC World Cup 2011

Postby Van The Man Persie » Sat Apr 02, 2011 11:20 am

Libertine wrote:
Van The Man Persie wrote:Werent the stadiums practically empty during the last Ashes series?


no.

Looked it to me when i saw the highlights.

Especially in the latter Tests, hardly an Aussie in the crowd
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Re: ICC World Cup 2011

Postby Van The Man Persie » Sat Apr 02, 2011 12:08 pm

179-4

Yuvraj is looking good.
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Re: ICC World Cup 2011

Postby Van The Man Persie » Sat Apr 02, 2011 12:15 pm

182-5

What a ball from Zaheer Khan
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Re: ICC World Cup 2011

Postby gzagee » Sat Apr 02, 2011 12:45 pm

ODIs and T20s are in no way the benchmark of a player's abilities. All you need do is slog hence the introduction of Power Play. For a bowler you bowl a maximum of 10 overs. That's yer lot.
So I don't see how one-day or T20 can be measured against test match cricket.
They have nothing on the attributes required to play test match level.
Both forms of the shorter game are purely entertainment. That is why there is more money poured into them.
In fact I'd say this WC has been pretty poor in terms of quality matches, with the exception of a few. And the competition has gone on for too long.
But the entertainment level it provides for fans is great.
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Re: ICC World Cup 2011

Postby Van The Man Persie » Sat Apr 02, 2011 12:48 pm

Exactly. You only have 10 overs to get it right. The pressure is immense. In Tests, you have as many overs as you want. Have a bad over? Doesnt matter. Have 30 more to make up for it. No such luck in limited over games.

Far tougher
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Re: ICC World Cup 2011

Postby gzagee » Sat Apr 02, 2011 12:50 pm

Van The Man Persie wrote:Exactly. You only have 10 overs to get it right. The pressure is immense. In Tests, you have as many overs as you want. Have a bad over? Doesnt matter. Have 30 more to make up for it. No such luck in limited over games.

Far tougher


You obviously don't understand the tactical nature of test cricket.
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Re: ICC World Cup 2011

Postby Van The Man Persie » Sat Apr 02, 2011 12:53 pm

All i know its dull and not the way to get kids in to the game.

Anyway in to the last 5 overs of the SL innings. A batting powerplay and going well for them

238-5 off 47.2
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